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    Was the SCG 2010 Test rigged?

    An old but brilliant piece

    PART 1
    Ok. Time to snap on the rubber gloves and get a little CSI: Sydney (Cricket Suspicions Investigation). By now the spot-fixing case is open-and-shut. Crooked agent Mazhar Majeed correctly predicted the timing of three no-balls by Mohammads Amir and Asif in their recent Test at Lords.

    Then cash that Majeed was paid by undercover reporters in exchange for the predictions was found in Pakistan captain Salman Butt’s possession.
    Pakistan’s UK High Commissioner has become counsel for the defence, claiming the recordings of Majeed were made after the fact.

    He didn’t explain why Majeed, the UK agent for the players in question, would decide to sabotage his own clients in collusion with a newspaper. The claim is so far-fetched that your dog would die of old age before it could bring it back.
    But the far more dire (and harder to prove) claims, based on Majeed’s boast to the reporters, were that he had rigged both the Sydney Test match against Australia this January, and the final Test against England at Lord’s just days ago.

    While they could easily be true, bear in mind that Majeed was trying to induct the reporters into a gambling society in which they would pay him huge amounts of money for manipulating Pakistan matches. He had a vested interest in making himself look as influential as possible.

    So let’s look at Sydney.

    Australia opted to bat on a greentop with thick cloud cover about. Though Amir wasn’t playing, Pakistan shot them out for 127, with Asif taking 6/41. Pakistan then posted 333, with a top score of 71 by our man Salman Butt.
    Australia were at 8/257 in their second dig, a lead of just 51, when Peter Siddle came to the wicket. But Michael Hussey and Siddle racked up a 123-run partnership, allowing Australia to set a target of 176, then watch Pakistan implode in the run-chase to lose by 36 runs.

    The case for the fix is well-known.

    Then-captain Mohammad Yousuf set defensive fields during the Hussey-Siddle stand, allowing them low-pressure runs.

    Wicketkeeper Kamran Akmal, the fourth player named by Majeed as being in his pocket, dropped three catches from Hussey and one from Siddle. He also failed to run out Shane Watson by not removing the bails with the batsman short.

    In the leaked transcript of a Pakistan Cricket Board inquiry, even coach and assistant coach Inthikab Alam and Aaqib Javed named that non-run-out as possible evidence of match-fixing. “I’m not sure, but my suspicions are pretty high,” said Aaqib.

    Add to that the little-mentioned fact that Danish Kaneria, a player recently accused of spot-fixing at county side Essex, missed a catch from Watson on the boundary, allowing the ball to sail through his hands for six. Then add the fact that Majeed was in Sydney at the time. All looks pretty obvious, doesn’t it? Well, yes and no.

    First let’s look at Australia’s third innings, spanning days three and four. Akmal’s dropped catches have been the centre of the allegations. But he has also had some support from an unlikely quarter. Past Aussie keeper Ian Healy said Akmal came to him for technical advice just before Sydney.

    “He was stiff as a board and extremely tense. You couldn’t drop those on purpose they way he was doing it,” Healy said. “His technique had gone off, which he told me about two weeks before – the ball wasn’t going into his glove that well for the spinners… And then he [dropped those catches]. It didn’t look to me as if they were on purpose at all.”

    Interesting from a man who once held the world record for wicketkeeping dismissals. Seeking help, though, doesn’t prove Akmal innocent, because he wouldn’t have known so far in advance that a fix was on. Which brings us to the more important matter of timing.

    Rigging the overall result before play doesn’t offer much to the match-fixer. At $1.50 for an Australian win, for instance, you would need to risk $2 million to win $1 million. It’s a big risk if the plan goes awry. Compare that with Majeed’s claim that they bet on Australia at 40-1, where a stake of only $25,000 would net the same $1 million return.

    Majeed’s claim was: “Australia had two more wickets left. They had a lead of ten runs, yeah. And Pakistan had all their wickets remaining[…] We let them get up to 150 then everyone lost their wickets.” Actually the lead was 51, as mentioned. But the important part is that the supposed fix was not put in place until after the eighth wicket went down.

    This is what no-one seems to have noticed.

    By the time Siddle walked to the crease in the 80th over, all three of Akmal’s drops off Hussey had already gone down. They came in the 53rd, 63rd and 67th overs.

    Nor was Australia’s position perilous at those moments – the first came while Hussey was batting with Clarke, the next two with North. If Akmal had been trying to spare Hussey, surely it wouldn’t have been until the bets had been laid and the crucial partnership with Siddle had begun?

    And if crooked Pakistan players were trying to save the Australians on day three, why single out Hussey? At the time his edges were being spilled like a saucer of champagne on a dirtbike, why weren’t other players accorded the same leniency?

    Faisal Iqbal chalked up two screamers and a regulation catch to get rid of Watson, Ponting and North.

    Misbah-ul-Haq held his only two chances at slip. Paceman Umar Gul snared three victims, and even Artful Dodger Asif was among the wickets, nailing Michael Clarke even after Hussey’s first reprieve. Bowling fast inswingers at the base of middle stump is a funny tactic if you don’t want to get someone out.

    Kaneria dropped Watson, as mentioned – but then went on to take five wickets, quite apart from having Hussey nicking behind three times and wide of slip once in the space of 28 deliveries. He also snared an unnecessarily brilliant diving catch from his own bowling off Philip Hughes.
    In this light, any fix must have been as Majeed said: arranged after Siddle came out to bat.

    Given this was just seven overs before stumps, an overnight arrangement makes most sense in terms of betting markets and negotiation time.

    It couldn’t have been pre-planned, because for all anyone had known,
    Australia might have been three down and 150 in front by stumps.

    And while a fix at the end of day three is plausible, it does mean that Akmal’s dropped catches – Exhibit A in every allegation to date – could not have been any part of the plan. They simply happened far too early.

    Three chances dropped in fifteen overs is suspicious, but if intentional, a separate spot-fix must have been the cause. Nor is it inconceivable that they were what Healy suggested: the work of an out-of-form keeper who got more tense and hard-handed with each failure.

    And so to day four, when Hussey and Siddle added 94 to their lead. The focus here has been on Yousuf’s defensive fields.

    First it should be noted that Yousuf has never been linked with match-fixing in any way.

    Evidence against his involvement includes the fact that his players lost every match under his leadership on that tour. What emerged via the PCB inquiry, and was also alleged by Majeed, is that some Pakistan players are willing to lose in order to get rid of unwanted captains.

    If Yousuf is clean, then deposing him would make a lot of sense for the players we now know are corrupt.

    It’s also interesting how reluctant Butt was to have Yousuf back in the team once Butt became captain. He only accepted Yousuf’s presence when it became clear that it was non-negotiable.

    But were Yousuf’s field placings that odd? Despite being described in the Sydney Morning Herald as “bizarrely defensive”, Yousuf generally had two slips and a gully in for Hussey until after the Australian had passed a hundred. And the practice of giving a single to the established batsman to bowl at the tailender is hardly a tactical innovation.

    While criticised by modern commentators as too defensive and surrendering the initiative, it nevertheless has a long history within in the game, and current international captains – including Ricky Ponting – are still known to call on the tactic now and then. So while in this case it backfired, that doesn’t make it a basis for accusation.

    And crucially overlooked in reports is the fact that Yousuf referred two appeals against Hussey to the video umpire on day four, one with the Australian lead at 114, and one at 146. Ironically both were for caught-behind appeals when Akmal did manage tr consulted – if his object was to keep the Aussies in, why would he risk a referral? And if Yousuf had the same ulterior motive, why would he request one from the umpire? It simply makes no sense at all.

    While one might argue they were trying to waste referrals, that seems unlikely with just the No. 11 yet to bat. Surely such a trick would have been tried earlier. And keeping referrals in hand would be a good idea if they wanted more control over how and when the opposition got out.

    Add to that the fact that Akmal’s fourth dropped catch, from Siddle, went down just one over before he caught, appealed, and went for the second referral from Hussey.

    If he had deliberately reprieved Siddle, then why try to have Hussey dismissed directly afterwards? And with the lead at 146 when he dropped Siddle, it would have been enough to throw the match anyway. Pakistan were dismissed for less.

    None of this sits comfortably with our assumptions about how the match was thrown.

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    Part 2
    In Part One of this article, we looked at Australia’s batting and Akmal’s fumbles in the third innings of the Sydney Test, and dug up a few previously overlooked details that shed new light on the matter.
    Now we come to the fourth innings and Pakistan’s collapse, through what the SMH called “a series of suicidal shots”. And there are some questionable ones.

    Every player was out caught, for one.

    Imran Farhat checked a tame drive to mid-off, Misbah patted a cut straight to gully. The tail went down scything. Umar Akmal’s was the dodgiest top-order effort, a wild heave at a good ball from Doug Bollinger that skewed straight up in the air.

    “Pakistan began the chase well, but lost wickets in clusters, a pattern similar to their failed, low-total chases in Sri Lanka and New Zealand last year,” wrote Pakistan expert Osman Samiuddin.

    On this basis, the case for the fix looks strong.

    But Yousuf’s shot, at least, gives the opposite impression. Yes, he was caught, but he hammered such a ferocious drive at Nathan Haurtiz that it split the bowler’s hand open, and it was only by utter fluke that Hauritz managed to cling onto it. Samiuddin’s report called it a “special return catch.”

    To the observer, it looked like the captain wanted to take charge of the innings, deny the opposition’s key bowler a chance to settle, and knock off a few quick runs in the process, only too aware of the ‘mental frailty’ of his team being exposed in the chase. It looked anything but the action of a man giving his wicket away.

    And gone unnoticed in all the alleging is this. Salman Butt is the only top-order batsman who we know for certain to be involved in corruption.

    And yet when he was given out LBW by umpire Rod Tucker with his score on 21, the batsman actually referred the decision. True story. The video umpire overturned his dismissal, and Butt continued batting. If he wanted to throw the match, why on earth would he protest being given out?

    The umpire would have done him a favour.

    Then, when he was genuinely dismissed, it was to the catch of the summer by Brad Haddin. Butt glanced well down the leg side, destined for the boundary, only to see Haddin pull out a full-stretch Superman dive and catch the ball after it had already passed him. Try setting that up on purpose.

    Later in the match, Sami was given not out after nicking behind, this time forcing the Australians to a referral. Again, if they were throwing the match, why didn’t he walk?

    In all, four batsmen were out caught behind. If batsmen in general find it hard to hit a clean cover drive deliberately, what makes us think they could nick to the keeper at will either?

    And if the lower order aren’t able to find the boundary at will, can they plan to pick out a man in the deep?

    As for Umar, why get out for his first-innings score of 49? Is it stupid to suggest that having got that far, he might have at least been inclined to notch a half-century before falling on his sword?

    And were they fixers, the slogging that he and the bowlers employed could backfire. With the final margin only 36 runs, it would just take a bit of ‘bad luck’ to have a few heaves find the boundary. Wouldn’t they be more inclined to spoon one to the infield, or play round a yorker?

    It’s a shame that Mohammad Asif didn’t face a ball at No. 11, because his batting may have been illuminating.

    Lastly is the matter of team make-up.

    Majeed claimed he had seven players in his pocket. Even if true, it’s not clear if this is in the current Test team, the wider squad, the Sydney team, or just international cricket in general.

    Amir did not play in Sydney. So even if six players in the team were crooked (unlikely given Pakistan’s frequent selection changes) that still leaves five players who weren’t. If we follow the media assumption that the crooks included Asif, Akmal, and Kaneria, that means at least three of the straight men were top-
    order batsmen.

    And don’t forget that final margin of 36 runs. A bit dicey to put thousands of dollars on the line when one half-decent cameo from one legitimate batsman could blow the fix away. This could even explain some of the run-out ‘mix-ups’ we’ve seen over the years.

    So was it rigged, or is Majeed just trying to fool the reporter?

    There were certainly dodgy moments, and revelations of spot-fixes would be no surprise, but an overall fix just doesn’t fly.

    Akmal’s drops came well outside the time-frame nominated by the match-fixer himself. The various referrals don’t add up. And for the reasons given here and in part one, Yousuf looks the least likely to have been involved. While fixing the overall result without the captain’s help would be possible, it’d be a much tougher ask.

    But still, “Australia, any Australia side, still know how to win, and more importantly they know how not to throw matches away,” wrote Samiuddin at the time, in his sad obituary for an opportunity lost. Whether a few of his team’s players more literally threw one away is something that we’ll probably never know for certain.

    The only way we can be sure is if the fix is proved. But it’s impossible to prove that it wasn’t fixed. So if it
    really wasn’t, then public skepticism will continue.

    This is the sad part, that the performances in that match won’t ever be entirely free of mutterings. The efforts of Hussey, Siddle and Hauritz will always have asterisks.

    Even if they didn’t fix it, the fixers have done their damage all the same.
    http://www.theroar.com.au/2010/09/08...the-run-chase/
    Last edited by Slog; 14th August 2015 at 12:29.


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    Been a while since it happened but still haunts me and came accross this article.

    Lot of shady things happened but as the articles suggest lot of things which happened which seem to be going against the so-called 'fix.' Maybe thats how it happens to keep suspicion away


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    Is the bit about Pakistani players losing on purpose to get rid of Captains true?

    Not something the PCB should tolerate


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    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    'daarhi rakhnay ka faida kya huwa jab andar itni mel hai' -

    It will be quite shocking to say the least if someone like MoYo was found guilty of match-fixing.

    Not guilty until proven, I would say that we simply bottled it big time. Not the first time Kamran has dropped catches (yes, the Watson run-out was indeed bizarre) and MoYo never proved to be a sound tactician.

    Australia should a lot of mental strength and once they got into a position where they could win the match, they were all over us mentally and we failed to respond.

    Best we move on from it now, it does not matter anymore. None of the potential villains are part of the team anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Is the bit about Pakistani players losing on purpose to get rid of Captains true?

    Not something the PCB should tolerate
    a well know oath taking episode happened in 2009 where seven players took an oath (allegedly in Inzamams house) that they will get rid of Younis Khan as captain by whatever means necessary


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    The article is a bit annoying to read for some reason. I guess it's a reflection of the absurdity of some of the claims Majeed was making. Pakistan just choked. We had a golden opportunity to win our first test in Australia in around 465 years and we choked. Simple. Yousuf was a novice captain and let the game slip away. Akmal isn't as crooked as he is bad at catching.


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    Yousafs captaincy for such an experienced senior player was extremely shocking at such a vital moment where he literally gifted the match on a platter to Hussey and siddle. Back then based on memory, everyone had suspicions about that match. I wonder what the ICC acu says about the match.

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    One of the most painful losses for me after the 1996 qf, 1999 wc final, Mohali etc.

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    Yousuf was a terrible captain and Kamran had a shocking game behind stumps but still we should have chased 176. We just choked.

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    Fixed or not Fixed - We lost
    and it hurt
    and it still hurts ..

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    One fine day . When Salman Butt will retire from international cricket and would grow old . Than he would open up for the Tv camera . And he would open the
    "Kathha Chattha" of one player who got away from it luckily .

    ICC warned two players from pakistan team before or after WorldT20 one was Salman Butt and other one was ??

    Yousuf's captaincy in Sydney test was terrible and worst ever I have seen a captain captaining his national team in a test match . The reasons for that defeat was worst captaincy by yousuf . Disharmony among players under him . No unity no national pride . And mainly mainly Kamran Akmal he was terrible and horrible behind stumps . He was the main culprit otherwise we would have won the match with an innings . I don't see those missed chances as part of the Game. To ne they were not .
    I may be 100 % wrong here but please to kamran's fans don't attack me kindly .

    When he saved a test with Razzaq with his genious batting at that time he was my hero my pride . But after Sydney test ..................

    Sydney test was the most painful defeat for me in our test cricket.

    Op ne zakham taaza ker diye :-( when u wake up 3am in the morning with pakistan about to make history by defeating Australia in a test match in Australia that too with an innings than you see kamran akmal and think oh my God what is he doing ? Is he even a cricketer behind stumps ?
    Since I have no proves so I am not giving sweeping statements . Otherwise I would have .

    Those who do spot fixing or match fixing both harm the national pride and let the national down . But those who do match fixing and drop the matches they cause more harm . Much more harm .

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    Anyone who thinks it is no fixed should check Kamran's missed run out of Shane Watson. Anyone who STILL thinks it's not fixed after that is delusional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahson Afzal View Post
    Anyone who thinks it is no fixed should check Kamran's missed run out of Shane Watson. Anyone who STILL thinks it's not fixed after that is delusional.
    Kaneria? Or Kamran?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs View Post
    Kaneria? Or Kamran?
    Kamran. He could have ran out Watson easily, but...

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    Enough said.


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    Priceless.


    On topic, don't really think it was fixed... but the levels of incompetency were pretty high in this match, from our part.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahson Afzal View Post
    Anyone who thinks it is no fixed should check Kamran's missed run out of Shane Watson. Anyone who STILL thinks it's not fixed after that is delusional.
    Over here in Australia even as a bowler you practice receiving the ball at the stumps.

    Kamran's actions there were highly unnatural to anyone who has played the game at a competitive, organised level - let alone from a test wicketkeeper.

    It's something that gets so ingrained that it becomes instinctual.


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    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    I'm sure this match was investigated as much as any in cricket's history. For it to be declared clean (or at least no evidence of it having been rigged), you have to believe that the ones involved were so sly and cunning and covered all their tracks.

    Knowing the players involved in this match, I highly doubt that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotham Cronie View Post
    I'm sure this match was investigated as much as any in cricket's history. For it to be declared clean (or at least no evidence of it having been rigged), you have to believe that the ones involved were so sly and cunning and covered all their tracks.

    Knowing the players involved in this match, I highly doubt that.
    It is my belief and will be till the day I die that there was something fishy going on in this match.

    Not sure to what level and how involved were the players but too many things happened in this. Too many. What people do not realize is that there were other half chances too which werent even attempted and hence dont end up in highlight reels and get talked about


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    Any complete highlights of the game? Didn't see the match.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahson Afzal View Post
    Anyone who thinks it is no fixed should check Kamran's missed run out of Shane Watson. Anyone who STILL thinks it's not fixed after that is delusional.
    You would have to go against your natural action and instinct to do what Akmal did.


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    Quote Originally Posted by world cup captain View Post
    Any complete highlights of the game? Didn't see the match.
    Why do that to yourself?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs View Post
    Why do that to yourself?
    If I can watch the 2007 final and 2011 semi final highlights, then I am sure I can watch the highlights of this match.


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    Yes imo this match along with the Pak defeat vs BD in the WC will always be regarded as suspicious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by world cup captain View Post
    If I can watch the 2007 final and 2011 semi final highlights, then I am sure I can watch the highlights of this match.
    I wouldn't be too sure about that.


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    I read all of the article. Some valid arguments. But the icing on the cake was the fact that Akmal didnt take the bails off. That horrific act just flushes every argument down the toilet.


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    Dont think he fixed. He was not only dropped the catches behind stumps, but also dropping a normal ball as well. Gave quite a few byes in that test....he was just truly pathetic behind stumps in the test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedzee View Post
    Dont think he fixed. He was not only dropped the catches behind stumps, but also dropping a normal ball as well. Gave quite a few byes in that test....he was just truly pathetic behind stumps in the test.
    But the run out thing, I have never seen a player in the history of cricket do that. He actually takes his gloves AWAY from the stumps after collecting the ball. That is something even a 5 year old playing cricket for the first time doesn't do, the natural instinct is to go towards the stumps. Even when the batsmen are well in and didn't even move, wicketkeepers take the bails off. Akmal was trying his best to avoid the stumps
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    Yes, next question.

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    my family had dinner with the pakistan manager at the time and he himself said he was suspicious of what was happening


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    Every team in cricket has fixed matches.

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    I am going to pick my words very carefully here, because I'm well aware that the site will need to moderate anything I write that is potentially libellous.

    Let me start off by saying that the article makes a number of completely absurd assumptions, namely:

    1. That the whole team, or the majority of a team, would be involved in fixing. That would actually be a sure way of getting caught - rather like the Kennedy assassination conspiracy being widely discussed in advance.

    2. That Butt, Amir and Asif would be the likely protagonists of a matchfix. Anyone who had followed their case in the detail that I have knows that

    a) They got into fixing later than some of their teammates, and their offences were spotfixing, not matchfixing, and - here I choose my words carefully - they did not start to offend before the tour of the West Indies which occured after the Australia tour, and just before the England tour.

    b) Kamran Akmal was named in court along with Wahab Riaz by the prosecution in the trial of Asif, Amir and Butt as a player whose actions "raise deep, deep suspicions" and whose escape from investigation is a "charmed life".

    Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cri...-in-trial.html

    3. The author makes reference to Osman Samiuddin's crucial comments that the collapse in Sydney bore the hallmarks of the two collapses which led to absurd defeats in Sri Lanka 6 months earlier.

    Any discussion of this subject has to look closely at those two ridiculous collapses in Sri Lanka. Those collapses were on Mohammad Amir's first Test tour overseas - what chance did the poor kid have?

    As I see it, there are three options.

    Option 1, which is as credible to me as Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny, is that Pakistan's batting just kept collapsing at times of pressure.

    Option 2 is that members of the Pakistan team as yet unidentified deliberately matchfixed to lose with a motive of removing their captains in Sri Lanka and Australia.

    Option 3 is that members of the Pakistan team as yet unidentified deliberately matchfixed to lose with a goal of losing Tests for money.

    But, HELLO! Wake up everybody!

    WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CONFESSION, IN CASE NOBODY NOTICED!

    Mazhar Majeed clearly told the Fake Sheikh that his players (which he said later in his testimony did not include Asif, Amir or Butt at that time) threw the Sydney Test for money.

    If I name names I will be moderated. So I won't.

    I will simply make general comments about how I would endeavour to lose any Test after having a First Innings lead of over 150. The key ingredients that I would want, and I make no accusations against any Pakistanis, would be:

    1. A captain who would set fields to let the other team get away and underbowl his best bowler or bowlers.
    2. A wicketkeeper who would miss chances (given that 35% of dismissals in Australia are caught behind).
    3. One or two other underperforming batsmen (for a total of 4 to fluff an easy chase).
    4. One or two bowlers who would bowl unthreatening deliveries.

    I will now name some innocent names, as that surely will not tempt moderation.

    Mazhar Majeed has been clear all along that Mohammad Asif did not execute any fixes for him before the summer of 2010. If you have been paying attention, Asif took 6-41 in the first innings to set up certain victory. In the second innings, Australia was 257-8 after 79.2 overs with the new ball due 4 balls later. You would think that it would be the moment when Pakistan, still only 49 runs behind, would clean up the last two wickets and chase 60 to win.

    But no. Asif isn't brought back until another 6 overs have passed. He only bowls 8 of the additional 46 overs that the innings lasts. During which time Mr Danish Kaneria bowls another 17 overs.

    Ah yes, Mr Danish Kaneria. Now, I am not going to make any accusations against him. I'm just going to helpfully point out that unusually for a leg-spinner he often really struggled to perform in the fourth innings of Test matches at crucial times.

    Pakistan lost 2-1 in South Africa in 2007-8, just before the World Cup and the awful death of Bob Woolmer. Funnily enough, in both defeats they set South Africa around 200 to win and Mohammad Asif set up victory by dismissing the top order, only for Kaneria to then fail to bowl the side to victory.

    What could have been a 3-0 series victory instead turned into a 2-1 series defeat.

    I make no accusations against any individual player for the Sydney Test.

    I just return to my three key points.

    1. The pattern resembles the one I laid out of how to lose such a Test.
    2. There is a confession - the fixer has admitted to fixing it, and that Asif, Amir and Butt were not in his employ at the time.
    3. The pattern follows that of 2 suspicious Tests in Sri Lanka six months earlier and 2 defeats in South Africa three years earlier.

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    Lol Mazhar also said that he went out to the field to give players drinks IIRC.

    We're going to believe what he says now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotham Cronie View Post
    Lol Mazhar also said that he went out to the field to give players drinks IIRC.

    We're going to believe what he says now?
    If it looks like a duck and it waddles like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

    Pakistan's Test defeats in Sri Lanka in 2009 were improbable enough. Then combine them with Sydney four months later and it's awfully quaint to think that these weren't defeats engineered from within the team.

    Let me just put out some raw facts about the Sri Lanka series defeat:

    FIRST TEST: Pakistan was set the lowest total of the match to win - a paltry 168.
    When they reached 71-2 the odds on a Sri Lankan victory were enormous. Yet Pakistan then collapsed to 117 all out from 71-2.

    This was the Test debut of Mohammad Amir and Saeed Ajmal.

    SECOND TEST: This is the most suspicious Test that I have ever seen, with the possible exception of Sri Lanka tumbling to defeat in a single session in Cardiff almost 2 years later.

    Pakistan collapsed to 90 all out in their First Innings. The odds were firmly stacked in Sri Lanka's favour.

    Sri Lanka replied with 240 all out, to lead by 150.

    Pakistan then cruised to set up a dominant position, reaching 285-1, a lead of 135 with 9 wickets in hand. When Younis Khan fell at that score to make it 285-2, the betting odds on a Sri Lankan victory were long indeed.

    Yet 285-1 became 320 all out. Mohammed Yousuf, Shoaib Malik, Kamran Akmal and Umar Gul and their teammates all fell for single figures as the last 8 wickets fell in 15 overs after Younis Khan fell.

    Consequently Sri Lanka, who looked like they would chase well over 400 to win, suddenly only chased 171 and strolled home by 7 wickets.

    I repeat, Sydney on the surface looks like a freak event.

    Until you realise that the same team went through two identical freak events in Sri Lanka four months earlier.

    Once is chance.

    Twice is a coincidence.

    Three times is a pattern.

    Unfortunately, noone seems to want to investigate it. The English criminal trial of Butt, Asif and Amir suggested that the ICC should investigate and prosecute as the English legal system had no jurisdiction.

    But the ICC refused to do so, and even dropped charges relating to the West Indies tour when prosecuting the fixers.

    You have a clear pattern and a confession by the fixer, yet noone investigates, It's extraordinary.
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    @Junaids

    I actually agree with most part of your post. I myself watched that match almost ball by ball & still can't figure out how PAK managed to lose that without ill intentions. In fact 175 wasn't that impossible a total, even if I take that few players (won't name) were involved during fielding.

    That match was 3 way dubious - PAK fielders dropped their way for AUS to add 100 extra with the target; from 36/0, needing another 140, PAK batsmen somehow managed to give a 5fer to Huiritz (& to old Kookaburra) - is it possible that 7/8 players involved?

    The 3rd one is most confusing to me - still don't have the clue. That actually defies the logic of players losing intentionally to get rid of Molla MoYo - BECAUSE MoYo himself had the worst match ever by a Captain on tactical level. I can accept everything, but even my school Captain 'll not bowl 25 overs between the 2 men taking 9 wickets in 1st innings............. what explanation MoYo can give? I don't question his integrity (absolute dumbest of a person, if he was involved in any wrong doing, probably would have been caught within 3 days), but can't loop my thoughts.

    For the 2 SRL Tests, I am more or less sure what was going on - if I explain my way, most readers 'll be convinced as well, because I don't put words unless I am convinced & the loop of logic is closed, but moderators 'll become busy.....

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    ^^ By the way, PCB allowed the events of 3rd ODI against NZ in UAE (Aamir & Ajmal putting 109 for 10th wicket) to be swept under carpet. I can take one name from that dodgy days of PAK cricket - that mastermind crook is not part of the team now....... if somehow, someone could have checked Yawar Saeed's "all" accounts, across the globe.........

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    It is difficult to say for sure if that match was fixed and as @MMHS pointed out - there had been several suspicious defeats within that time frame involving our batting collapse. However, i would out point out several other games where we had also collapsed including: 5th ODI vs SAF in 2007, Pakistan vs Sri lanka 2nd ODI in 2012, Pakistan vs India 3rd ODI 2013, Pakistan vs SAF 1st ODI 2013, Pakistan vs Australia 5th ODI 2014.

    Other suspicious Test defeats include: Pakistan vs WI 1st Test 2011, Pakistan vs Zimbabwe 2nd Test 2013 and Pakistan vs Sri Lanka 1st Test 2014

    It is unlikely all of these tests were fixed and were probably due to our own incompetence. IMO, the same rationale would apply to the Sydney Test. The reasons for our defeat include:

    - Yousuf's horrendous unimaginative captaincy
    - Kaneria's poor bowling
    - Misbah's incompetence overseas
    - Kamran Akmal's poor WKing
    - Imran Farhat and Faisal Iqbal being completely and utterly useless beyond imagination...

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    Okay, now I'm going to step it up a level to respond to @MMHS and @msb314 . I will still name no names.

    Firstly, I have never bought the inference that only Pakistan cricketers fix. I've written enough about Australia's slow scoring on the final morning of last year's MCG Test to make my own thoughts easy to ascertain without my even having to write them. I think large numbers of cricketers get hooked on cheap money for minor acts like "weather forecasts" or leaking teamsheets, and then find themselves at the mercy of dangerous criminals who offer them a choice between exposure and wealth.

    In fact, if you go through the court reports from the Asif/Butt trial, it is made clear that they were actually tempted into their own criminality because, they claimed, their team-mates and opponents were fixing left, right and centre and they thought that if the games were fixed anyway they might as well make some money themselves.

    I would refer anyone to the "Laurel and Hardy"-like spectacle of the Nagpur Test between India and Australia in 2008-9 to see a truly strange Test in which, after India reached 148-3 and then 166-6 on Day 4, a neutral observer might easily have concluded that neither side was trying not to lose, let alone win. This reached its nadir in the final session of Day 4, with India 200-6, 284 ahead, having lost 5 wickets for 68 in the last ninety minutes, at which point the Aussie captain gave the ball to......Mike Hussey.

    Now ask yourself whether dodgy things only happen when Pakistan is playing.

    Secondly, the setting for Pakistani corruption in 2009 and 2010 came right from the top, with the two best batsmen Younis Khan and Mohammad Yousuf each banned by PCB executive vendettas.

    When Margaret Thatcher's Deputy Prime Minister Sir Geoffrey Howe resigned, his destroyed her with a withering resignation speech in parliament in which he started by saying of her behaviour: "It is rather like sending your opening batsmen to the crease, only for them to find, as the first balls are being bowled, that their bats have been broken before the game by the team captain"

    But that, in effect, is precisely what the PCB did to their own team in Australia and England in 2009 and 2010 by excluding the best batsmen. The climate for corruption was set by that action, because the players could see that they could not win because their own masters had condemned them to defeat before they even arrived.



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    Jump to 16 minutes and 40 seconds in the clip I posted above. Could have been referring to Ijaz Butt!
    @Robert will enjoy Norman Fowler and Nigella Lawson's dad trying not to laugh!
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    Guys be very careful about mentioning any names in this thread

    Back it up with specific evidence such as newspaper reports etc from reliable sources


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    The spinner was intentionally bowling jaffers to mr.cricket to get rid of him ? Or unintensionally he was creating wicket taking oppurtunities ?

    The bowler you are accusing indirectly was innocent by than in my view and fell pray to it later on.

    He was not Shane warne or muralitharan of the time to assume he will take loads of wickets in fourth innings everytime he will bowl . He didn't have the ability and the control like them until 2012 when he changed his action abit and had far far more control as a spinner . I remember for Hbl he was taking tons of wickets in that season in both FC and list A with lots of fivefers and even a sixfer in list A . It was a shame that when he mastered the art so late than he got banned and probably rightly so .

    Regarding Sydney test. It was lost due to the person who still is living a "charmed life".

    Our batting has collapsed many many times from great positions. It's our history and gebetics of our cricket .

    People blame Misbah's slow batting for semifinal defeat . I blame the 3 dropped chances of Tendulkar . If u drop little master 3 times and he scores 98 in a worldcup semifinal played in India's home ground with your players not mentally tough than you lost the match 80 % there and than . Had it been 150 to win incase we got sachin out early than we would have won it easily .

    In the same way when you have worst captaincy being shown by Yousuf ever but but but only after he got under severe pressure of seeing it all that 2-4 chances are given to hussey when he got real set and our shoulders got down only than Yousuf under pressure set those worst worst fields . This showed his inept leadership skills and he crumbled under pressure .

    We would have won that test by an innings if those many chances were not given to Hussey . And why was kaneria over bowled ? I don't think he was over bowled . On a turning Sydney wicket with kaneria looking most tgreatening to take the wickets definitely he would have got most overs . He got spanked in the end . He troubled hussey and he was the one who created chances to get him out that is why he was bowled more overs with the hope that he has nosee chances of getting hussey out .

    After being in a situation of losing the match by an innings to a point of sheering a target of 140 off the Australian were all over us mentally . And after that opening when our one wicket fell the legs of our batsman were shaking and they had nerves and they succumbed under pressure and it resulted into a humiliated worst defeat of our test cricket history .

    It very much seemed intensional by only ONE person . and due to his acts Mr.Cricket nailed us . Still after those chances if he had even got inzi, misbah , younis , malik , wasim or waqar as captain they wouldn't have set those fields like yousuf set and we might have got rid of hussey or siddle earlier enough to may be chase down a 60 to 90 runs total .

    60 % reason of defeat was one person . 25% captaincy skills of the leader . 15 % batting .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Okay, now I'm going to step it up a level to respond to @MMHS and @msb314 . I will still name no names.

    Firstly, I have never bought the inference that only Pakistan cricketers fix. I've written enough about Australia's slow scoring on the final morning of last year's MCG Test to make my own thoughts easy to ascertain without my even having to write them. I think large numbers of cricketers get hooked on cheap money for minor acts like "weather forecasts" or leaking teamsheets, and then find themselves at the mercy of dangerous criminals who offer them a choice between exposure and wealth.

    In fact, if you go through the court reports from the Asif/Butt trial, it is made clear that they were actually tempted into their own criminality because, they claimed, their team-mates and opponents were fixing left, right and centre and they thought that if the games were fixed anyway they might as well make some money themselves.

    I would refer anyone to the "Laurel and Hardy"-like spectacle of the Nagpur Test between India and Australia in 2008-9 to see a truly strange Test in which, after India reached 148-3 and then 166-6 on Day 4, a neutral observer might easily have concluded that neither side was trying not to lose, let alone win. This reached its nadir in the final session of Day 4, with India 200-6, 284 ahead, having lost 5 wickets for 68 in the last ninety minutes, at which point the Aussie captain gave the ball to......Mike Hussey.

    Now ask yourself whether dodgy things only happen when Pakistan is playing.

    Secondly, the setting for Pakistani corruption in 2009 and 2010 came right from the top, with the two best batsmen Younis Khan and Mohammad Yousuf each banned by PCB executive vendettas.

    When Margaret Thatcher's Deputy Prime Minister Sir Geoffrey Howe resigned, his destroyed her with a withering resignation speech in parliament in which he started by saying of her behaviour: "It is rather like sending your opening batsmen to the crease, only for them to find, as the first balls are being bowled, that their bats have been broken before the game by the team captain"

    But that, in effect, is precisely what the PCB did to their own team in Australia and England in 2009 and 2010 by excluding the best batsmen. The climate for corruption was set by that action, because the players could see that they could not win because their own masters had condemned them to defeat before they even arrived.

    I would not blame the PCB directly on the events of 2009/10 and the life bans given to MoYo and YK was pretty stupid... However, they did indirectly have a part to play in that mess

    The root of the problem stems back to 2007. WHen Malik was made captain - he should have been given full unconditional support by our management and the players. Why were MoYo, Afridi, Shoaib Akhtar and Razzaq trying to undermine his authority? Our culture has a lot of "seniority" imbedded in it which can cause many issues. Intikhan Alam, the most uselss coach we have ever head, called Malik a "loner" and a "goof" in his team report. What kind of coach throws his captain under the bus like that. That sort of behaviour was certainly unacceptable. I will say this before and say this again, but Malik should and could have been one of our greatest ever captains, his leadership direction of the Sialkot Stallions and our run in the 2007 Wt20 is testament to that but other players simply did not let it happen.

    Anyway, after Malik was removed as captain, it was clear the team had become divided despite our 2009 Wt20 win. After our CT defeat, the team had ridiculous and baseless match fixing accusations thrown against them and YK simply just walked away. As you can see, outside interference clearly did not help our cause. With Malik and YK out now, the PCB had to turn to MoYo to lead us in NZ and Australia during the 2009/10 winter season and MoYo was as incompetent as one can get as a leader. I am urged to believe the events of Sydney 2010 was mainly due to Moyo and a few others incompetency and we buckled under the slightest sign of pressure- we have always had a mental block against Australia and it will continue to remain that way for some time.

    After the Australia tour - the PCB came down hard on the team and rightly so. I believe MoYo was severely punished for that loss and the bans given to Yk, Rana Naved and Malik was just insurance - Moyo was the real target at that time and was promptly removed. We then turned to Afridi who resigned from test captaincy after the 1st test against australia in the summer of 2010. This was simply unacceptable and immaturish behaviour from Afridi and so we had no choice at that time to other than to turn to Salman Butt. He then became involved with Mazher Majeed and then the Spot Fixing Scandal broke out...

    As you can see, the stem of the problem arose when our own players and management failed to back Malik in 2007 and then one event simply led to another. It is easy to blame the PCB but in reality, they had no alternatives in terms of leadership when the team began to fall apart along with several incompetent individuals in our setup at that time.

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    Don't worry Pakistan. We're craftng our very own Sydney test as we type. Won't take long!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Don't worry Pakistan. We're craftng our very own Sydney test as we type. Won't take long!
    Highly doubt it. We simply suck these days at test cricket. Losing to an SL team who are themselves in decline.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    Highly doubt it. We simply suck these days at test cricket. Losing to an SL team who are themselves in decline.
    Yeah, but the pattern of the innings with Chandimal scoring the 150 in the third innings rings a bell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superwomen View Post
    i dont know why all the reporters were only focusing Pakistan at that time.

    there was this T20 match btw Australia and New Zealand during Australia tour of New Zealand in 2009-2010 i guess. the 2nd T20 which NZ won via super over, this incident left be baffled

    "Southee yorks White. the ball rolls to Southees far left side, southee dives to get the ball, by the time White is half way down the pitch, white turns away to go back, southee on the ground returns a roll throw (along the ground) to keeper *forgot his name*, the ball is coming straight to him in a STRAIGHT line, just as the bowl reaches the keeper, the keeper simply shifts his hand to the right and misses a straight rolling ball towards him, White is safe, the commentators were furious and suddenly are silent after the replay and dont discuss anything after that. no replay is further shown"
    I've been trying to adhere to Men In Green's very sensible prohibition on naming names and I'm glad that you did too.

    There is so much in cricket that is suspicious, usually in T20 and 50 overs cricket. And with every team.

    And the common factor is that the ACSU, the ICC's anti-corruption unit:

    1) Is based in a non-cricket playing country.
    2) Has no resources,
    3) Now reports directly to a man whose son-in-law is banned for life for illicit activity.
    4) Never ever catches anyone - usually the only people who get caught get caught by the Indian Police.

    Part of the reason why I don't much like most limited overs cricket is because it's like watching American wrestling.

    I prefer unscripted sports to scripted ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Yeah, but the pattern of the innings with Chandimal scoring the 150 in the third innings rings a bell.
    To India's credit I do not see any suspicious thing at all in this test match . It's just a brilliant innings by chandimal but remember Indian fielders did not give chandimal 4 chances to survive nor did Indian captain set absurd or unimaginable fields . And lastly . Wicket is turning sharply and the deadman (hearath) is alive once more . Kaushal and Herath are bowling superbly . You needed a Dravid , a laxsman and a tendulkar in such conditions against such class bowling . Wait , Ashwin is a complete batsman so u never know if he steals the win from Srilanka after lunch . But again if India wins or loses this test isn't comparable to Sydney test and there is no suspision in it .

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    @Junaids has made some really good points in this thread. Watching the game live I was as astonished as anybody that Pakistan contrived to lose from their dominant position, and it's only fair that questions are asked, especially when many of the key players who made the high profile blunders which let Australia win, have shady pasts and in the case of Kaneria actual convictions.


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    The thing with this match is that suspicions were raised well before Majeed claimed anything.

    Now it's plausible that it could just be a massive choke but there were some really odd and unnatural things going on.

    At best it was the most incompetent display of captaincy in Australia


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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    The thing with this match is that suspicions were raised well before Majeed claimed anything.

    Now it's plausible that it could just be a massive choke but there were some really odd and unnatural things going on.

    At best it was the most incompetent display of captaincy in Australia
    Reminds me of Lord's the same year, where Pakistan had England 60-5 and then Broad (of all people!) scored 169* with Butt setting strange fields.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pantani View Post
    @Junaids has made some really good points in this thread. Watching the game live I was as astonished as anybody that Pakistan contrived to lose from their dominant position, and it's only fair that questions are asked, especially when many of the key players who made the high profile blunders which let Australia win, have shady pasts and in the case of Kaneria actual convictions.
    Kaneria was as big a victim as any. He did nothing wrong in the game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs View Post
    Kaneria was as big a victim as any. He did nothing wrong in the game.
    Are you sure? I must be mistaken then. Somebody else also mentioned Kaneria in this thread, so I thought he might have dropped a catch (at least).


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    Kaneria had a few stock standard catches dropped off his bowling


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    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pantani View Post
    Are you sure? I must be mistaken then. Somebody else also mentioned Kaneria in this thread, so I thought he might have dropped a catch (at least).
    tbf to Kaneria, hell will freeze over before he starts holding on to 50% of catches coming his way.

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    I think we all know as Pakistani's that we are the most honest people in the world and that we never cheat, lie, bribe or take part in any form of corruption

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    Quote Originally Posted by 161 View Post
    I think we all know as Pakistani's that we are the most honest people in the world and that we never cheat, lie, bribe or take part in any form of corruption
    On the contrary, Pakistanis have big hearts and as such we don't want to deny black market gamblers the chance to earn a living and feed their families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pantani View Post
    Are you sure? I must be mistaken then. Somebody else also mentioned Kaneria in this thread, so I thought he might have dropped a catch (at least).
    He was the victim. Akmal dropped four chances off his bowling.


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    So we're saying Kanera's bad bowling was suspicious, but then also saying the catches dropped off the wicket-taking balls he bowled was suspicious?

    Which one is it?

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    No, it was just terrible play from Pakistan. Kamran Akmal's mind seemed to have blacked-out, he didn't know what he was doing and what he was supposed to.

    Plus, Yousuf was never accused of being a fixer. He just wasn't a competent captain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    The thing with this match is that suspicions were raised well before Majeed claimed anything.

    Now it's plausible that it could just be a massive choke but there were some really odd and unnatural things going on.

    At best it was the most incompetent display of captaincy in Australia
    Worse than that cronje England test with the declarations?

    For anyone who have ever seen Pakistan chase in matches or play in that 99 final or the Ireland wc game, big mental choke hold
    Pakistan at their best win comfortably by big margins


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    Risky topic - don't want to make direct comments; BUT, I 'll write a statement & won't explain that -

    "Money in betting isn't made on direct win-loss bets only, in fact that's legal; anyone can go to bet fair or any other betting sites & put money on ENG or AUS or Chelsea/M City at the given odds - bigger money is made on specific targets - like what 'll be PAK's target - 170+ or <170 - ekke pe dokka, chaal phanch hazar thok dal"

    In the IND-BD QF, I heard Dhaka grey market had raised over 500cr - that's $8mn+, on bets like how much IND/BD 'll score to how many no balls 'll be bowled. These are crazy people - they don't watch match, they attend the game for betting, al msot every ball.............

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    ^^ $80mn !!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Over here in Australia even as a bowler you practice receiving the ball at the stumps.

    Kamran's actions there were highly unnatural to anyone who has played the game at a competitive, organised level - let alone from a test wicketkeeper.

    It's something that gets so ingrained that it becomes instinctual.
    That was my main point about Sydney test. I am not a keeper and have not played at FC level but its in every players muscle memory to take your hands towards the stump (even while playing in street or while playing with 8/10 year old kids or fun, I have accidentally taken bails off and taken decision back as adult, while playing with kids) as you gather ball any where never stump, you have to make extra conscious effort not to do that.

    When I saw that, I was deeply disappointed (and sort of relaxed from nerve perspective) that we are not going to win this match no matter what.

    There is no doubt in my mind that it was fixed/rigged or whatever you call it. Some of the Pakistani players lost it deliberately. They were not bowlers though!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    Worse than that cronje England test with the declarations?

    For anyone who have ever seen Pakistan chase in matches or play in that 99 final or the Ireland wc game, big mental choke hold
    Pakistan at their best win comfortably by big margins
    A person's opinion on this matter really depends upon their age.

    I'm in my late forties, so my general perception is that Pakistan has generally been the best Asian Test team because they have the best pace attack and are mentally stronger than players from other countries apart from Australia and South Africa, whose players are similarly tough.

    However, and this is a key point, I think that in the mid-1970s and then from the early-1990s significant numbers of Pakistan players accepted bribes. It was only the absolute power of Imran Khan which drove that culture out of the team for the period from around 1981 to 1992. As soon as he left, the corruption returned, as the formal bans on Salim Malik, Danish Kaneria and the three spotfixers illustrate.

    I have closely followed Ed Hawkins' work. I will accuse no player of impropriety, but it's reasonable to assume that around $100 million would have been bet in India alone on the eve of the final day of the Australia v India Test last December on how many runs the Aussie tail would score in the next five overs and on whether the declaration would be:

    a) overnight
    b) in 3-5 overs,
    c) in 6-10 overs
    d) after 11 or more overs.

    More money would have been wagered on those possibilities than on the result - which would almost certainly be a draw.

    If such minor events attract over $100 million of gambling, it follows that any sensible gambling mafiosi would invest a few hundred thousand dollars on buying players to ensure that he wins the bet.

    Lastly, don't forget that Mazhar Majeed was very clear to the Fake Sheikh that Amir, Asif and Butt were not his matchfixers.

    Majeed told him that he had several players who would win or lose matches for him. The Fake Sheikh asked for no-balls to be bowled to order to prove that Mazhar Majeed could deliver corrupt results and passages of play. Majeed replied that his fixers were not bowlers, but that he could call in favours from Asif and Amir to illustrate his power over the team. In the case of Asif, who was alleged in court to have been in a different fixing group rather than the one in which he was actually caught, it seems that he genuinely did bowl the no-ball as a favour for Majeed and actually never was paid for it. News Of The World money was found in the possession of Majeed, Amir and Butt but not Asif.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    That was my main point about Sydney test. I am not a keeper and have not played at FC level but its in every players muscle memory to take your hands towards the stump (even while playing in street or while playing with 8/10 year old kids or fun, I have accidentally taken bails off and taken decision back as adult, while playing with kids) as you gather ball any where never stump, you have to make extra conscious effort not to do that.

    When I saw that, I was deeply disappointed (and sort of relaxed from nerve perspective) that we are not going to win this match no matter what.

    There is no doubt in my mind that it was fixed/rigged or whatever you call it. Some of the Pakistani players lost it deliberately. They were not bowlers though!!
    I agree with you 100 % especially the last line .

    I have also got a feeling that when the legspinner knew after Sydney test debacle that the biggest crook later got away with it and lived a charmed life uptil now than he indulged in wrong doings in county cricket taking that player as an inspiration for crime thinking he will get away with it aswell .

    I don't agree that the spinner bowled below par than his ability . 3,4 chances were dropped of his bowling when he created oppurtunities to get Aussie batsman out . And If I am not wrong than 2 catches and 1 stumping was missed of his bowling .
    And that runout .... Well well well .....

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    Part of my interview with Yousuf regarding that Test match :-

    PakPassion.net: Moving onto the difficult tour of Australia in 2010 when you were captain. Looking back at the Sydney Test match that Pakistan surprisingly lost, what are your feelings about it?

    Mohammad Yousuf: To take Australia to that level and to almost defeat them in Sydney was a remarkable achievement in itself. They were staring at an innings defeat which was an achievement itself. Winning and losing is part of the game of cricket and the fans and media should have appreciated the fact that for the first time ever a Pakistan cricket team were close to inflicting an innings defeat to Australia, in Australia.


    PakPassion.net: But ultimately you lost the Sydney Test match when defeat seemed almost impossible?

    Mohammad Yousuf: Our team was very weak in Australia. Our bowling line up was very good, a balanced attack, but our batting unit was very inexperienced. I was the only experienced batsman in our team, the rest of the batsmen were inexperienced and young.

    Even though we lost the Sydney Test match, I feel that we performed very well. The fans and the media need to take everything into account and realise that a young team performed very well in that Test match and not just look at the final result.

    Our intentions were to win the Sydney Test match but we lost - it’s part of the game.


    PakPassion.net: During the Sydney Test match there were some incredible fielding lapses. Were you disappointed with the glaring errors and lapses?

    Mohammad Yousuf: You have good and bad days in the field. Nobody intentionally made mistakes during the Sydney Test match, it’s part of cricket. Look at the 1999 World Cup match between Australia and South Africa where Herschelle Gibbs dropped such a simple catch and South Africa went onto lose that match. That incident is just one example of a fielding lapse.


    PakPassion.net: The reaction to the Sydney defeat from the media and fans was very strong. Do you think that the reaction was justified?

    Mohammad Yousuf: That is the way it goes with the public and the media, sometimes they back you, other times they don’t. They were entitled to their opinions about that match in Sydney and the tour of Australia.


    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ohammad-Yousuf



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Part of my interview with Yousuf regarding that Test match :-

    PakPassion.net: Moving onto the difficult tour of Australia in 2010 when you were captain. Looking back at the Sydney Test match that Pakistan surprisingly lost, what are your feelings about it?

    Mohammad Yousuf: To take Australia to that level and to almost defeat them in Sydney was a remarkable achievement in itself. They were staring at an innings defeat which was an achievement itself. Winning and losing is part of the game of cricket and the fans and media should have appreciated the fact that for the first time ever a Pakistan cricket team were close to inflicting an innings defeat to Australia, in Australia.


    PakPassion.net: But ultimately you lost the Sydney Test match when defeat seemed almost impossible?

    Mohammad Yousuf: Our team was very weak in Australia. Our bowling line up was very good, a balanced attack, but our batting unit was very inexperienced. I was the only experienced batsman in our team, the rest of the batsmen were inexperienced and young.

    Even though we lost the Sydney Test match, I feel that we performed very well. The fans and the media need to take everything into account and realise that a young team performed very well in that Test match and not just look at the final result.

    Our intentions were to win the Sydney Test match but we lost - it’s part of the game.


    PakPassion.net: During the Sydney Test match there were some incredible fielding lapses. Were you disappointed with the glaring errors and lapses?

    Mohammad Yousuf: You have good and bad days in the field. Nobody intentionally made mistakes during the Sydney Test match, it’s part of cricket. Look at the 1999 World Cup match between Australia and South Africa where Herschelle Gibbs dropped such a simple catch and South Africa went onto lose that match. That incident is just one example of a fielding lapse.


    PakPassion.net: The reaction to the Sydney defeat from the media and fans was very strong. Do you think that the reaction was justified?

    Mohammad Yousuf: That is the way it goes with the public and the media, sometimes they back you, other times they don’t. They were entitled to their opinions about that match in Sydney and the tour of Australia.


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    With due respect to Yousuf he is a batting legend of our country and it was great to see him bat in full flow . But Sorry , I don't agree with even one answer of his . Not even one . Sorry to say .

    Gibs did not drop Waugh 4 times , neither did he miss run out nor 2 stumpings .

    You can't compare one missed chance with 4,5 chances . Lame comparison and example . Sorry

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    Now when Yousufs career is over and he is working with a media group he has got some strong opinions . And I have never ever seen him back the said wicketkeeper even after he is told about his recent FC performances . This gives a clear message .

    And when he was interviewed by PP i think he was still hoping for a comeback may be so he did not want to give strong sweeping statement against certain players so it is visible he was trying to coverup the mess and giving it a luck and ability angle , rather than opening up .
    ONE DAY HE WILL SPEAK THE TRUTH .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    With due respect to Yousuf he is a batting legend of our country and it was great to see him bat in full flow . But Sorry , I don't agree with even one answer of his . Not even one . Sorry to say .

    Gibs did not drop Waugh 4 times , neither did he miss run out nor 2 stumpings .

    You can't compare one missed chance with 4,5 chances . Lame comparison and example . Sorry
    I have no accusations to make against Yousuf, but considering that his captaincy in that game helped Australia even more than Mr X's dropped catches, I'm always surprised that nobody ever questions his own role.

    Consider the participation of disgruntled mistreated ex-captains on immoral rebel tours of Apartheid Era South Africa. Nobody accuses either Kim Hughes or Mike Gatting of being anything other than good men. But they were treated awfully by their Boards and driven into the arms of Apartheid on tours which later turned out to have been paid for with Apartheid government money.

    I do not single out ANY Pakistani for accusations of criminality. I'd just like to point out that it's simplistic to think that fixers are always immoral criminals. Fixing is the modern equivalent of getting into bed with Apartheid, and we know from the past that bitterness and resentment were just as good as recruiting agents as money ever was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    I have no accusations to make against Yousuf, but considering that his captaincy in that game helped Australia even more than Mr X's dropped catches, I'm always surprised that nobody ever questions his own role.

    Consider the participation of disgruntled mistreated ex-captains on immoral rebel tours of Apartheid Era South Africa. Nobody accuses either Kim Hughes or Mike Gatting of being anything other than good men. But they were treated awfully by their Boards and driven into the arms of Apartheid on tours which later turned out to have been paid for with Apartheid government money.

    I do not single out ANY Pakistani for accusations of criminality. I'd just like to point out that it's simplistic to think that fixers are always immoral criminals. Fixing is the modern equivalent of getting into bed with Apartheid, and we know from the past that bitterness and resentment were just as good as recruiting agents as money ever was.
    Yousuf as a captain under pressure was just like a tail ender who can't save his life by negotiating one ball . This was level of his captaincy .

    Match would have been over in pakistans favour with an innings win and much before yousuf's terrible captaincy and field placings had 70 % of those chances 3 to 5 chances weren't lapsed .

    That match was lost 60 % due to fielding of a fielder (most probably intensional) , 25 % due to captaincy and 15 % due to last innings batting of batsman . That's what my views are . Hussey gave us 3,4 chances in his innings and 1 run out chance of Watson . Had the fielder grabbed 50 % of total oppurtunities which came his way than we would have won the match by an innings or by chasing target of 20,30 runs in 4th innings . So than we would not have witnessed those pathetic field placings .

    That match and following 1 year events where the main crook got away with it resulted in the spinner also taking negative inspiration from the criminal and got into cricketing ill-doings and got banned in his prime when he became much accurate , mature and lethal spinner .

    # My Last Post in this thread.
    # I have got some terrible , hurting cricketing Memmories of that test match . Don't want to discuss it further :[

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    A person's opinion on this matter really depends upon their age.

    I'm in my late forties, so my general perception is that Pakistan has generally been the best Asian Test team because they have the best pace attack and are mentally stronger than players from other countries apart from Australia and South Africa, whose players are similarly tough.

    However, and this is a key point, I think that in the mid-1970s and then from the early-1990s significant numbers of Pakistan players accepted bribes. It was only the absolute power of Imran Khan which drove that culture out of the team for the period from around 1981 to 1992. As soon as he left, the corruption returned, as the formal bans on Salim Malik, Danish Kaneria and the three spotfixers illustrate.

    I have closely followed Ed Hawkins' work. I will accuse no player of impropriety, but it's reasonable to assume that around $100 million would have been bet in India alone on the eve of the final day of the Australia v India Test last December on how many runs the Aussie tail would score in the next five overs and on whether the declaration would be:

    a) overnight
    b) in 3-5 overs,
    c) in 6-10 overs
    d) after 11 or more overs.

    More money would have been wagered on those possibilities than on the result - which would almost certainly be a draw.

    If such minor events attract over $100 million of gambling, it follows that any sensible gambling mafiosi would invest a few hundred thousand dollars on buying players to ensure that he wins the bet.

    Lastly, don't forget that Mazhar Majeed was very clear to the Fake Sheikh that Amir, Asif and Butt were not his matchfixers.

    Majeed told him that he had several players who would win or lose matches for him. The Fake Sheikh asked for no-balls to be bowled to order to prove that Mazhar Majeed could deliver corrupt results and passages of play. Majeed replied that his fixers were not bowlers, but that he could call in favours from Asif and Amir to illustrate his power over the team. In the case of Asif, who was alleged in court to have been in a different fixing group rather than the one in which he was actually caught, it seems that he genuinely did bowl the no-ball as a favour for Majeed and actually never was paid for it. News Of The World money was found in the possession of Majeed, Amir and Butt but not Asif.

    I dont believe the Pakistani players would have forfeited a chance to beat sydney, in my opinion they lacked the mental strengh to win the match and cross the finishing line
    In the test they did beat Australia in England they went through similar hurdles before somehow winning
    As for mazhar majeed and his fixing ring, everyone brags about their horses , it doesnt mean any of it is true
    mazhar majeed was way out of his depth against the criminal 'fake sheikh' as proven by the naievety shown by amir when he bowled a huge no ball


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    Oh..Now It's more than 5 years've gone..Just like a split of a second for me..
    I'm a Sri Lankan.
    Watched the first day of the test (at one of my friend's home with broadband TV connection)with gloomy Sydney seaming conditions.Asif and Amir bowled beautifully..Aussies had no clue against Asif.Two wonderful bowlers...with rising astonishing talent Umar Akmal..(Sorry to say, Pakistan is the Best Talent Waster in the cricket world...)
    Old Channel 9 commentary with Bill,Tony,Richie..Chappelli with Warnee...Wonderful day that was for a classic cricket and channel9 fan...
    Thought Pakistan would win that..amid a Ausie fight back(Formality in those days).Following days followed the game from news and went 50km to catch up the live action on final day only to see the falling of cornered Umar Akmal as the final wicket..
    Remember that nervous funny interview of non performing Phill Huges with Mark Taylor just after winning the match.

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    Today reminded me of that Sydney test in so many different ways
    Pakistan bowlers brilliantly to keep Australia to under 315 even with all the misfieldings
    And then Pakistan lost 3 wickets in quick succession to cap it all off

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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    Today reminded me of that Sydney test in so many different ways
    Pakistan bowlers brilliantly to keep Australia to under 315 even with all the misfieldings
    And then Pakistan lost 3 wickets in quick succession to cap it all off
    Today was just an awful collapse because our batsmen are mentally weak. The Sydney Test was a meme


    Hard to get a handle on this double edged sword

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    Quote Originally Posted by aliasad1998 View Post
    Today was just an awful collapse because our batsmen are mentally weak. The Sydney Test was a meme
    The last Sydney test was even worse
    Pakistan have a huge mental block against Australia which oddly enough has never seemed to effect amir


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    Nothing comes close to SCG 2010. No way Kami missed such run outs or stumpings.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince of Pakistan View Post
    Nothing comes close to SCG 2010. No way Kami missed such run outs or stumpings.
    Imran Khan came out with odi bowling figures in the second innings

    We are still thankful to Imran Farhat for Headingley 2010


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