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    "My plan in this series would be to take the wicket of Joe Root" : Mohammad Abbas

    Mohammad Abbas has England's top-order in his sights. As the Pakistan seamer prepares for Leicestershire's first County Championship match, against Sussex, the 28-year-old tells Saj Sadiq (for Sky Sports) how he hopes to forge a successful new-ball partnership in Test cricket with Mohammad Amir this summer.




    How did you get the opportunity to play for Leicestershire this season?

    Abbas: I feel extremely lucky that despite being new to international cricket, I have been given an opportunity to play County Cricket for a top-quality side. I feel blessed as I have played just two Test series so far - in the West Indies in 2017 and the 'home' series in UAE against Sri Lanka. I am very grateful to the Almighty and thank Leicestershire for selecting me for this season. I decided to come to England a little earlier, which I hope will allow me to adjust to the conditions and the pitches here. I feel this will be helpful for my preparations for the Test series.


    Do you think your stint with Leicestershire will give you an advantage when Pakistan play England?

    Abbas: That is absolutely my intention. I came to England a couple of weeks ago and have been able to get some very useful practice in, although it has been a bit wet at times! I am indebted to the Pakistan Cricket Board for arranging my fitness test ahead of schedule in Pakistan and allowing me to join Leicestershire. I would also like to thank the CEO of LCCC, Wasim Khan, and of course my heartfelt appreciation for Head Coach Paul Nixon who has been instrumental in allowing me an opportunity with this excellent County side.




    What are you looking to achieve with Leicestershire?

    Abbas: Acclimatising to conditions is something which is important for me, as is adjusting to the nature of the pitches in England. My idea is to experience bowling in such conditions which will be similar to those I will encounter when I play the Tests series for Pakistan against England in the coming weeks.


    What has your experience of international cricket been like so far?

    Abbas: It has obviously been tougher but playing domestic cricket for the past nine years - and being one of the top performers for the last two or three seasons - has helped me. You do get to experience a variety of conditions in Pakistan domestic cricket which helps you when you step up. For example, in Punjab there is a lot of help for bowlers whilst when we play in Karachi we get pitches similar to those we encounter in the West Indies and the UAE. So, in a way I was used to different conditions and I used that experience from domestic cricket to my benefit when I eventually played international cricket. My performances in Test cricket have been good so far and for that I am sincerely thankful to the Almighty.




    What in your view is the biggest challenge in international cricket?

    Abbas: To perform consistently well to establish a permanent place in the national side, as there is a lot of competition for places and you can never be complacent. If you do that often enough, then you also get a chance to become one of the top bowlers in the world.


    Given your bowling style, many believe you could be a success for Pakistan in England and Ireland in the Test series...

    Abbas: Although I bowled well during my debut Test series in the West Indies, I was unable to help my side to success in the series against Sri Lanka. That was a disappointment and a regret that I have carried with me, but I am hopeful that conditions in England will be much better for my style of bowling, and I will be able to perform well to help Pakistan to victory in the upcoming series. At the end of the day you have to put the ball consistently in the right areas, but yes I am definitely looking forward to bowling in England.


    What are the reasons for a recent dip in Pakistan's Test form?

    Abbas: The current side is going through some changes and in a sense can be regarded as a new team. We have had the retirements of two of our nation's most trusted servants and legends in the shape of highly experienced players like Misbah-ul-Haq and Younis Khan. There is no doubt in my mind that the absence of such top-quality batsmen is being felt, but I do feel that we still have some extremely competent players in our line-up. In Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Sarfaraz Ahmed, Babar Azam and Haris Sohail we have batsmen who are all capable of filling the gaps left by the departure of Misbah and Younis. I am very hopeful that with such good batsmen in our team, we will be able to improve our performance and do well in the upcoming series. In a way, it does feel like a new start for Pakistan in Test cricket and it's natural that it will take a little time to rebuild the side.




    How does it feel to be bowling alongside someone like Mohammad Amir?

    Abbas: Amazing as he has a lot of experience in international cricket. Whenever we play for Pakistan or even during domestic games in Pakistan, he is always willing to share his knowledge with me and has always advised me on bowling which will prove very important for my future success in international cricket. I hope we can forge a successful new ball partnership in Test cricket, as when a team has that at their disposal it can only lead to success.


    How has working with Azhar Mahmood helped your bowling?

    Abbas: Azhar Mahmood has legendary status amongst us players as he has played so much cricket around the world in so many different conditions. His coaching style is based upon simple and clear instructions which helps us all learn from his vast experience and the results of his coaching are there for all to see.


    Mickey Arthur appears to be a tough taskmaster. What do you make of him as a coach?

    A: Mickey's only aim is to ensure that all the players work as hard as possible and improve their cricket to Pakistan's advantage. As a coach his only focus is that all players keep on practising and putting in extra effort to help their side. He really likes to help out the younger players achieve their potential and to me, that is a sign of a good coach. He's a very good coach, very supportive and I have really enjoyed working with him.



    Fitness seems to be an important aspect of being a Pakistan cricketer nowadays?

    Abbas: Fitness is one area in which the coaches are working very hard to ensure that we are all in the best condition for any series we play. We have fitness tests before each series and only those who pass these tests are considered for selection; the effects of this emphasis on fitness have been obvious in the recent performances of our team. I think it's a good thing and adds to the professionalism.


    Were you disappointed that you did not play any match in this season's Pakistan Super League?

    Abbas: It was my debut season in the PSL and I was very fortunate that I had the unique opportunity to work with a legend of the stature of Wasim Akram. Unfortunately, I did not get to play any game for Multan Sultans during the tournament, but I am pleased that I was able to learn a lot from the whole experience. Hopefully, if I am picked for the PSL again next year to play for Multan or any other franchise, I will try and perform well.


    What advice did Wasim Akram give you during the PSL?

    Abbas: I received a lot of very useful advice from Wasim Akram during net practice. He would give me tips on specific areas such as how to grip the ball and would also give me general advice on why it is important to bowl with patience and not look for shortcuts. He also spoke to me about how best to judge conditions and other areas of the game which he felt were important for the success of a bowler in any situation.


    What are your goals for the upcoming Test series against Ireland and England?

    Abbas: My aims are simply to help my side win the series by putting in some good performances. This will be a tough series for us as we will be playing against a top-quality team on their home turf, so it will be important for me to put in my best effort and help my side to victory.


    How big is the loss of Yasir Shah for Pakistan in this series?

    Abbas: Yasir Shah is Pakistan's top leg-spinner and his name is known throughout the world for his excellent performances. His absence due to injury will be a great loss for Pakistan but I am confident that we have other spin bowlers who can fill this gap and help us win the series. It's an opportunity for someone like Shadab Khan to further enhance his growing reputation and I think he will do well.




    England must be favourites to win the series as they are playing at home?

    Abbas: It is true that any team playing at home is generally considered favourites to win series. But, let's not forget that Pakistan have a great record of beating England at home, so we will do our best to win this series as well.


    Who in the England batting line-up will be the key wicket to take from your point of view?

    Abbas: Whilst each wicket that I take is important in any series, my plan in this series would be to take the wicket of the England captain Joe Root and then follow it up removing other senior players in the batting line-up. I always plan to be the one who takes the wickets of the in-form players as that has the biggest impact on the game and hopefully I will be able to do that in this series as well.


    What will it be like for you to play at Lord's in the first Test match against England?

    Abbas:
    It is the wish of every cricketer in the world to play at Lord's which is considered the home of cricket. I, too, if given the chance to play at this venue, would like to perform well enough to have my name written on the honour's board by taking five wickets in an innings in that match.

    http://www.skysports.com/cricket/new...tershire-stint
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    I'm more worried about Bairstow who can take the game away from you quickly. Root has conversion problems and the burden of captaincy may impact on his batting if results continue to decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    I'm more worried about Bairstow who can take the game away from you quickly. Root has conversion problems and the burden of captaincy may impact on his batting if results continue to decline.
    You are clearly overrating Bairstow here. Joe root has the ability to destroy test attacks. He scored 190 at sr of 80 vs sa . 134 vs aus at 85 sr. Bairstow cant make much impact batting lower down the order. Moreover dont think bairstow can survive on a green pitch with his technique

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    Its funny that wasim taught him how to grip the ball. Did he not know that after bowling a decade in domestic cricket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smudger View Post
    You are clearly overrating Bairstow here. Joe root has the ability to destroy test attacks. He scored 190 at sr of 80 vs sa . 134 vs aus at 85 sr. Bairstow cant make much impact batting lower down the order. Moreover dont think bairstow can survive on a green pitch with his technique
    Not denying Root isn't a quality bat but seven fifties and not a single hundred this winter was one reason why England failed to win a single Test against AUS and NZ. Even that 170 odd vs South Africa at Lord's you mention was a result of several drops and missed chances by SAF.

    Bairstow won't make much impact if Bayliss keeps sticking him at 6 and 7 below inferior batsmen.

    As for not having the technique for green pitches - he was the only batsman who stood up when England were 20-6 on a greentop at Lord's last year vs South Africa. He scored a century against Boult and Southee when England were 90-5. He scores runs in tough situations

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    I wouldn't be surprised if he outperforms Amir and Hasan

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    I am putting my bets on him to lead the bowling charts for us in Ireland & England, conditions will be perfect for his style of bowling.

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    Good interview. Conditions in England will be suitable for his bowling . Hope he has a good tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakSarZameen View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if he outperforms Amir and Hasan
    Me neither, I feel he might even ball the same or better than Sohail from the last England tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ataullah View Post
    Its funny that wasim taught him how to grip the ball. Did he not know that after bowling a decade in domestic cricket?
    I guess he was referring to other varieties of grip and suggestions.



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    Good interview. The english batsmen will be dissecting his county performances by watching his videos. Hopefully he keeps some of his varieties for the 2 tests.

    On another note hopefully our bowlers won't let Cook get back in form. We have a habit of doing that.


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    Mohammad Abbas today :-
    9 overs 5 maidens 9 runs 1 wicket


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    Don't see us ascending from 7th/6th in the near future. 5-0 in England and South Africa awaits us, we will be lucky to even draw one match.

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    He is made for these wickets. Should be able to do well.


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    Mohammed Abbas 15 overs 16 runs 1 wicket

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    All Abbas needs to do in ENG is bowl extremely full (almost a yorker length) on a 6th stump line and watch his wicket tally rise.


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    2 wickets in 23 overs! Excellent performance today


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    2 wickets in 23 overs! Excellent performance today
    What is the level of the opposition?

    Are they seasoned veterans or rookies like the ones AUS served up when we went to tour them in 16'?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    What is the level of the opposition?

    Are they seasoned veterans or rookies like the ones AUS served up when we went to tour them in 16'?
    It's Division 2 of the County Championship which is pretty mediocre as are Sussex but Leicestershire who Abbas is playing for are even worse. Don't think they won a county match all season last year !

    But don't want to take anything way from Abbas's bowling, these conditions suit him to a tee.

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    That is not a plan - that will be an aim or an objective. Plan will be outlining the steps that he is going to execute.

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    At what speed does he bowl?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    At what speed does he bowl?
    150ks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    150ks.
    Oh Bhai. I have not watched him .

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    He is going to give it away after a fifty anyway.

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    130 around

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    He should not play any of the match. I would play amir hasan and rahat. if for four pacers then he can be the fourth pacers.

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    Has taken 3 of the 11 wickets to fall in his county match so far with an econ of less than 2, phenomenal

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    Quote Originally Posted by dauntless View Post
    He should not play any of the match. I would play amir hasan and rahat. if for four pacers then he can be the fourth pacers.
    Youre serious lacking in knowledge if you'd play rahat over abbas in England...

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    4 wickets so far and Abbas doing well in warmup


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    Abbas is the best (Y)

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    2 wickets so far and warming up nicely


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    3 wickets for him! Surely he will be playing at Lords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadi123 View Post
    3 wickets for him! Surely he will be playing at Lords.
    But but but. Trundler, trundler, pace is pace, Blah blah.

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    Abbas and a fired up Amir make a good opening pair.

    Followed by Hassan Ali and Shadab/Yasir.

    Good attack.

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    1st take the wicket of Mighty Kevin

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    Good support bowler. Much better than rahat who was selected after bowling well in a T20 competition LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Good support bowler. Much better than rahat who was selected after bowling well in a T20 competition LOL.
    That was a knee-jerk from Inzi. I knew during PSL this would backfire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    That was a knee-jerk from Inzi. I knew during PSL this would backfire.
    Pathetic. Should have gone with Mir Hamza or Sadaf. Bowlers who are suited to English conditions.

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    An honest trier. Not going to run through sides but he’s the kind of bowler that every test team should have.

    Hassan should come in for rahat
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    But but he's a trundler...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hur rizvi View Post
    An honest trier. Not going to run through sides but he’s the kind of bowler that every test team should have.

    Hassan should come in for rahat if Mickeys dumbness has subsided
    Curious what you think is necessary to run through a side? He already has one 5 fer in 5 Tests, (Wahab has 2 in 30) and 7 10 fers in just 65 domestic FC matches, whereas someone like Sohail Khan, who is a domestic beast, and took 2 5fers in England last time over, needed 90 FC matches for that feat. Has control, bowls wicket to wicket, can get the ball to rear up, swings it with the new ball, and as we saw today, reverses with the old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    But but he's a trundler...
    tsk tsk. that's the impolite way of saying honest trier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    Curious what you think is necessary to run through a side? He already has one 5 fer in 5 Tests, (Wahab has 2 in 30) and 7 10 fers in just 65 domestic FC matches, whereas someone like Sohail Khan, who is a domestic beast, and took 2 5fers in England last time over, needed 90 FC matches for that feat. Has control, bowls wicket to wicket, can get the ball to rear up, swings it with the new ball, and as we saw today, reverses with the old.
    I rate him as a better test bowler than rahat, wahab etc thatís why I want him in the team

    He is a decent bowler but doesnít have x-factor like Asif, Akhtar etc that one needs to blow teams away.

    Never the less good bowler who should be allowed to play without worrying about his spot

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    Quote Originally Posted by hur rizvi View Post
    I rate him as a better test bowler than rahat, wahab etc thatís why I want him in the team

    He is a decent bowler but doesnít have x-factor like Asif, Akhtar etc that one needs to blow teams away.

    Never the less good bowler who should be allowed to play without worrying about his spot
    What was Asif's so called X factor? His floppy hair?

    Don't you just mean "skill"?

    Abbas just took 9 wickets at around 10@ wicket. What is that but "blow away"?

    He swung the new ball. He reversed the old ball.

    He was both penetrative and economical.

    And he does this regularly. He has 7 10 fers in 65 FC matches.

    Shoaib Akthar has none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    What was Asif's so called X factor? His floppy hair?

    Don't you just mean "skill"?

    Abbas just took 9 wickets at around 10@ wicket. What is that but "blow away"?

    He swung the new ball. He reversed the old ball.

    He was both penetrative and economical.

    And he does this regularly. He has 7 10 fers in 65 FC matches.

    Shoaib Akthar has none.
    Heís very young into his test career. His performance has been good but letís not go overboard. I like him but I donít get the feel that against strong opponents he can run through a team in a session thatís what is X factor in my book. I would be happy to be proven wrong in coming tours

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    Quote Originally Posted by hur rizvi View Post
    Heís very young into his test career. His performance has been good but letís not go overboard. I like him but I donít get the feel that against strong opponents he can run through a team in a session thatís what is X factor in my book. I would be happy to be proven wrong in coming tours
    The question remains what is this peculiar feeling based on? Lack of speed? Its fine to say so, but it would also put things in perspective a bit.

    Taking 'running through a team' to entail 5 wickets in an innings, see

    below, in no particular order, is a list of pace bowlers who in recent years have 'run through' an opponent

    Anderson
    Boult
    Broad
    Southee
    Philander
    Morkel
    Ishant
    Kumar
    Shami
    Finn
    Grandhomme
    Etc etc

    Even Amir, 6/46 Windies. April 2017

    And

    Abbas. 5/46, Windies, Roseau May 2017

    What do they all have that Abbas does not. Even though he does.

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    Lack of speed is not an issue as I said I am not yet ready to accept that heís a world class bowler. Let him perform against England and South Africa and I will consider him a world class bowler then

    West Indies, Ireland and srilanka are just not good enough teams to change my opinion as of yet.

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    He should do well in England but Amir is going to be key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hur rizvi View Post
    Lack of speed is not an issue as I said I am not yet ready to accept that heís a world class bowler. Let him perform against England and South Africa and I will consider him a world class bowler then

    West Indies, Ireland and srilanka are just not good enough teams to change my opinion as of yet.
    I don't dispute that one can't know how good a player is until his results are in. But that's precisely what you claim to know. You didn't say that you had no opinion, but that you had a very strong opinion. He is not good enough. Which is interesting not least because what evidence we have so far, inconclusive though it may be, points the other way. He is running through sides. They just aren't good enough sides yet. So I am curious about what it is that makes you feel that way, particularly if it is not speed? You don't think he has enough control?

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    I don't dispute that one can't know how good a player is until his results are in. But that's precisely what you claim to know. You didn't say that you had no opinion, but that you had a very strong opinion. He is not good enough. Which is interesting not least because what evidence we have so far, inconclusive though it may be, points the other way. He is running through sides. They just aren't good enough sides yet. So I am curious about what it is that makes you feel that way, particularly if it is not speed? You don't think he has enough control?
    Yeah I wonít rate him or anybody unless he delivers against good sides. Speed is not the only thing, people can lose control when they face superior batsmen or some canít handle the pressure of bigger occasions. He has yet to prove all that. I will accept him to a world class performer if he does that

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    I don't dispute that one can't know how good a player is until his results are in. But that's precisely what you claim to know. You didn't say that you had no opinion, but that you had a very strong opinion. He is not good enough. Which is interesting not least because what evidence we have so far, inconclusive though it may be, points the other way. He is running through sides. They just aren't good enough sides yet. So I am curious about what it is that makes you feel that way, particularly if it is not speed? You don't think he has enough control?
    I never said he isnít good enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    I don't dispute that one can't know how good a player is until his results are in. But that's precisely what you claim to know. You didn't say that you had no opinion, but that you had a very strong opinion. He is not good enough. Which is interesting not least because what evidence we have so far, inconclusive though it may be, points the other way. He is running through sides. They just aren't good enough sides yet. So I am curious about what it is that makes you feel that way, particularly if it is not speed? You don't think he has enough control?
    I get what Hur is saying but it is not coming out rightly. I think the thing with Abbas is he does all the things well that you need from a test bowlers but none of the skills stand out usually to perform consistently vs top sides you need one really standout skill. His pace is fine for a test pace thats the least issue he swings it but its not like Anderson swing, he is accurate but not a metronome like Mcgrath he gets seam but its not vicious cut off the pitch ala Asif or Philander he is also not that tall to get awkward bounce like McGrath or Ambrose also I have not seen any evidence that he can set up his dismissal like Asif did.

    A bowler of Abbas pace needs to have atleast one or two skills where he should be 9 or 10 it seems in all his skills he is a 7 which is decent but nothing stands out.He surely merits a place in current 11 but I really don't ever see him being talked among elite test bowlers.

    Hope I explained it well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoib View Post
    I get what Hur is saying but it is not coming out rightly. I think the thing with Abbas is he does all the things well that you need from a test bowlers but none of the skills stand out usually to perform consistently vs top sides you need one really standout skill. His pace is fine for a test pace thats the least issue he swings it but its not like Anderson swing, he is accurate but not a metronome like Mcgrath he gets seam but its not vicious cut off the pitch ala Asif or Philander he is also not that tall to get awkward bounce like McGrath or Ambrose also I have not seen any evidence that he can set up his dismissal like Asif did.

    A bowler of Abbas pace needs to have atleast one or two skills where he should be 9 or 10 it seems in all his skills he is a 7 which is decent but nothing stands out.He surely merits a place in current 11 but I really don't ever see him being talked among elite test bowlers.

    Hope I explained it well.
    I don't know if that is what Hur meant but that is an interesting way of putting it.
    I do think you mischaracterize the secret of Philander and Asif's skill. Yes, we can remember the Jaffas that Asif
    bowled, cutting back like a leg break, but his most effective skill, what earned him most wickets,
    just as with Philander, is the ability to move it consistently, with every ball, not viciously but just
    enough. Nibble here and nibble back. It is that kind of consistence that let's one bowler run
    through a side. Now running through a side is a different matter from "standing out" which is the
    argument you are making, and I agree. I personally think Abbas's problem is he doesn't really look
    or carry himself like an Imran Khan or Shoaib Akthar kind of alpha male and doesnt bowl fast
    enough either, that is where that kind of feeling comes from. "Running through a side" is de facto
    code for power, the ability to impose your will regardless of pitch or conditions. Hence the most
    exciting delivery, also for me, is the yorker, and whence the most persistent myth on this board,
    that Wahab is the kind of bowler who runs through sides, "on his day." Abbas actually bowled a
    couple of lovely yorkers if you recall, in the Windies series, you can check them out on Youtube.
    But what really fascinates me is that when trying to predict a bowler's success, fans usually
    consider the actual record of success last, if at all. Wouldn't the best predictor of a player's ability
    to take wickets be...his ability to take wickets? In light of how many intangible and unknowable
    factors go into making a player a success, things that we call "bowling brains," "game awareness,"
    not because these terms always make sense, but precisely because we can never make full sense
    of it. By the looks of it, Wasim Akram should have been the best bowler in the history of
    cricket, ever. Who would pick McGrath over him if you just saw them in the nets? Does McGrath's
    metronomic control really explain as much as we would like to think? But for some reason, Pakistani
    fans and selectors alike don't trust results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    I don't know if that is what Hur meant but that is an interesting way of putting it.
    I do think you mischaracterize the secret of Philander and Asif's skill. Yes, we can remember the Jaffas that Asif
    bowled, cutting back like a leg break, but his most effective skill, what earned him most wickets,
    just as with Philander, is the ability to move it consistently, with every ball, not viciously but just
    enough. Nibble here and nibble back. It is that kind of consistence that let's one bowler run
    through a side. Now running through a side is a different matter from "standing out" which is the
    argument you are making, and I agree. I personally think Abbas's problem is he doesn't really look
    or carry himself like an Imran Khan or Shoaib Akthar kind of alpha male and doesnt bowl fast
    enough either, that is where that kind of feeling comes from. "Running through a side" is de facto
    code for power, the ability to impose your will regardless of pitch or conditions. Hence the most
    exciting delivery, also for me, is the yorker, and whence the most persistent myth on this board,
    that Wahab is the kind of bowler who runs through sides, "on his day." Abbas actually bowled a
    couple of lovely yorkers if you recall, in the Windies series, you can check them out on Youtube.
    But what really fascinates me is that when trying to predict a bowler's success, fans usually
    consider the actual record of success last, if at all. Wouldn't the best predictor of a player's ability
    to take wickets be...his ability to take wickets? In light of how many intangible and unknowable
    factors go into making a player a success, things that we call "bowling brains," "game awareness,"
    not because these terms always make sense, but precisely because we can never make full sense
    of it. By the looks of it, Wasim Akram should have been the best bowler in the history of
    cricket, ever. Who would pick McGrath over him if you just saw them in the nets? Does McGrath's
    metronomic control really explain as much as we would like to think? But for some reason, Pakistani
    fans and selectors alike don't trust results.
    I trust the results. He just hasnít played enough at the moment for me to rate him at philander/Asif level at the moment.

    Like I said I like him but can he do that against quality sides is yet to be seen. Just a simple example if AB is going after him can he still hold his composure and bowl 6/6 balls on good length or will he lose the plot? He might as well turn out to be as good as philander but based performance against West Indies srilanka and Ireland I am not yet ready to rate him at that level.

    If he can repeat these performances against SA and England. I will be happy to rate him as a world class performer.

    And in current team I do think he has earned his place and is the best fast bowler we have. I have said many times heís a better bowler than Amir but I canít call him philander level bowler just yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by hur rizvi View Post
    I trust the results. He just hasnít played enough at the moment for me to rate him at philander/Asif level at the moment.

    Like I said I like him but can he do that against quality sides is yet to be seen. Just a simple example if AB is going after him can he still hold his composure and bowl 6/6 balls on good length or will he lose the plot? He might as well turn out to be as good as philander but based performance against West Indies srilanka and Ireland I am not yet ready to rate him at that level.

    If he can repeat these performances against SA and England. I will be happy to rate him as a world class performer.

    And in current team I do think he has earned his place and is the best fast bowler we have. I have said many times heís a better bowler than Amir but I canít call him philander level bowler just yet
    I am not trying to put you on the spot. It is a kind of academic question really. You had a feeling about him that is a negative feeling, it is not neutral, awaiting further information, and in a way it disregards some of the early information coming it. it is more than skepticism, and it was expressed for instance in "can't run through a side." which is again something different from whether or not he could stand up to abdv. a bowler like england's caddick, if you are of a generation to remember, was delicate emotional flower in a way, but he could still run through a side if he was in the mood, pakistan in particular...

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    I am not trying to put you on the spot. It is a kind of academic question really. You had a feeling about him that is a negative feeling, it is not neutral, awaiting further information, and in a way it disregards some of the early information coming it. it is more than skepticism, and it was expressed for instance in "can't run through a side." which is again something different from whether or not he could stand up to abdv. a bowler like england's caddick, if you are of a generation to remember, was delicate emotional flower in a way, but he could still run through a side if he was in the mood, pakistan in particular...
    Well I just need more evidence that he can run through/perform consistently against strong oppositions. My point is just That information as of yet can be biased because he hasnít had payed good teams.



    As of why I am a little skeptical about him? Itís probably because I havenít seen him get that extra bit of zip and cut that Asif or philander are capable of. So probably as of now I am not convinced that he has natural talent of those guys.

    For a bowler of Abbasís pace needs to show he can execute his skill under pressure. I would be happy if he proves me wrong and SA and England are perfect places to do that.

    And as I said Pakistan definitely needs him and he should be first bowler on team sheet besides Yasir if all are fit

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    He will be key for Pakistan's success at Lord's, can easily outshine Amir


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    It is time to get it done... get him out


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    Don't see us ascending from 7th/6th in the near future. 5-0 in England and South Africa awaits us, we will be lucky to even draw one match.

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    Bowled beautifully today.

    Really is a thinking cricketer and someone who will only improve.

    If there is any help for the bowlers from the pitch, this guy will extract it.



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    Didn't get the wicket of Root but still bowled beautifully in the process picking up 4 wickets.

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    His haters are starting to be silenced now.

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    what a legend


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    He got it.

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    Dreams do come true. Where are those who wanted Rahat to play ?

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    Looks like plan worked.

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    Removed both Cook and Root. Incredible bowler with great precision

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Dreams do come true. Where are those who wanted Rahat to play ?
    Here

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Here
    Told you bro. Abbas was playing county cricket. Helped him improve further.

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    Abbas and Sadaf both can move the ball both ways with excellent accuracy and have always been deadly with new ball and reversing ball. One main reason why they have such good records despite not being pacy. You see their domestic matches and they take wickets with new and old ball almost always.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    Wow... well done Abbas! What a Champ!

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    I hope he gets an A Contract

    You have to reward outstanding test performances even if that player only plays tests


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    Great stuff. Really like Abbas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Don't see us ascending from 7th/6th in the near future. 5-0 in England and South Africa awaits us, we will be lucky to even draw one match.

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    Root needs to go big now. He has had lot of fifties in last 10 months or so.

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    iDone


    #Mein inko rolaonga

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    So happy for Abbas.

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    Deserved award. He was clearly the most impressive bowler during the series. Well done Abbas.

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    This is a dream Debut. Fabulous!


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