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    Virat Kohli has secured his position as an ATG after the 2018 England tour despite the series result

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    Yes, that was never in doubt. But he should seriously give up the captaincy and just focus solely on his cricket.

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    Agree, best batsman in the world.

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    He was already an ATG even before this tour started. His scoring here makes no difference to his aura as a batsman. But he has got a bit to find as a skipper though.
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    He has reached the ATG status but he did score some soft runs on this tour.

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    Another moral victory.

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    Good fighting runs.

    Futile but have helped demolish certain aspects of the “English” myth surrounding his game.

    He’s the best all-round batsman of this generation.

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    On a serious note, Kohli's 149 at Edgabastan was a phenomenal inning. One of his best knocks IMO alongwith Adelaide 2014 as Kohli himself said it.

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    Agreed. He is an all time great.

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    Thread is about Virat Kohli.


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    Great batsman but his pathetic captaincy and selection lost us the series.

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    Called it that he would do well in England. Wonder where certain people who said he would fail have gone. He has cemented his ATG status for me. How many players in history have dominated series in Australia,South Africa,and England before the age of 30 ?

    Whilst the results aren't what India wanted or expected. You cannot blame it on Kohlis batting. The form and consistency of other batsmen was a major reason as to why India didn't do well in this series.

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    Yes he has proved it now if any one had any doubt before this series rest assured the guy is a legend.

    I know this is highly unlikely and I do not hope this happens but a hypothetical question if kohli fails on his next round of overseas tours and his form takes a nose dive, Would you all still consider him as ATG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kashmirilion View Post
    Yes he has proved it now if any one had any doubt before this series rest assured the guy is a legend.

    I know this is highly unlikely and I do not hope this happens but a hypothetical question if kohli fails on his next round of overseas tours and his form takes a nose dive, Would you all still consider him as ATG?
    I suppose it would depend on the degree of failure and how long he fails for.

    He might very well have 2-3 more bad tours in his career. That's not a big deal at all. He has already had 6 excellent tours out of 7 tours in SENA.

    But if he fails continuously then his status will come under scrutiny.
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    Congratulations to Kohli and his fans, definetly an all time great. Never been his supporter but I will give credit where due and this was his acid Test for me.

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    He may not surpass Sachin's stats, but he can surely become the best batsman India ever produced. He just needs to keep up the pace for another 5-6 years.

    Unfortunately he is missing a lot of opportunities to score some easy centuries against minnows.

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    Yeah no doubt about that. He is an ATG in tests now. He is already 3rd best in Odis after viv and AB. He just had a great series scoring nearly 600 in a series is no easy feat. Surely the best in the world.

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    Kohli now have 11 test hundreds outside Asia. At no.4 among Asian batsmen in that regard, behind SRT(18), Gavaskar(15) and Dravid(13).

    Miandad has 9. Inzy 8, Sangakkara 7. Kohli has lowest sample among all(32 tests).

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    As a batsman yes but as a captain, he has failed on many levels. I just hope he gives up his captaincy to just continue as player in the team. He just does not have the technical nous to lead a team in any format.

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    Minimum criteria for a batsman to be ATG would be to play 100+ tests in modern era.

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    He's obviously the best Test bat right now (until Smith is back) and best bat across formats as well. Although I think Indians would take a drawn or won series with Kohli failing over what happened

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    Absolutely, immense performance from kholi.

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    Scoring slow 50s after coming down the order to pad up stats along with 100s in softer places cant make one great.

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    Anderson came out to bowl every time Kohli came out to bat with whole and sole intent of dislodging the Alpha Male! He bowled at his peak, the conditions were in his favor as well,

    But Anderson didnt get Kohli's wicket even once. (butter fingers were to blame as well)

    The Beast was tamed in his own den! An ATG cemented his status in stone!

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    No, not there yet, will be ATG, most likely in 5 years.

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    Not yet, but likely to go down as an ATG in test as well. He doesn't need to do too much from here, just pile up some more runs before he hangs his boot.


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    We can only judge after his career his over. Look at the decline of Cook and Amla. At certain points of their respective careers they both looked like certified ATGs but now it's questionable. Ditto with Kohli.

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    It was hilarious though seeing the "master chaser" choking in two manageable chases in the 1st and 4th Tests. Not to mention the 1st and 2nd Tests in SA as well. Also not to mention that he does much more harm with his clueless captaincy, team selections and overall lack of leadership qualities than he does good with his batting. Still the most over hyped player in the world. Obviously you are going to be best batsman in your team when you make sure that no one else can ever be sure of their places Pujara's 132 was the best innings by an Indian in the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proactive_ View Post
    It was hilarious though seeing the "master chaser" choking in two manageable chases in the 1st and 4th Tests. Not to mention the 1st and 2nd Tests in SA as well. Also not to mention that he does much more harm with his clueless captaincy, team selections and overall lack of leadership qualities than he does good with his batting. Still the most over hyped player in the world. Obviously you are going to be best batsman in your team when you make sure that no one else can ever be sure of their places Pujara's 132 was the best innings by an Indian in the series.


    Be a real man and own up to your mistakes.

    1. You said Kohli will suck. He ruled in this series.

    2. You said Rahane will do very well. He was awful for 90% of the series.

    3. You said Kuldeep will uproot trees. He was unlucky to be played in Lord's but was pretty average in that test. No control. Nothing.

    4. You said Ashwin will suck. This one worked out for you. I wonder if he didn't have the injury and bowled like he did in Edgbaston, this might have gone the other way too.

    1 out of 4.

    That too needed luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
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    On track. But needs sample set.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Proactive_ View Post
    It was hilarious though seeing the "master chaser" choking in two manageable chases in the 1st and 4th Tests. Not to mention the 1st and 2nd Tests in SA as well. Also not to mention that he does much more harm with his clueless captaincy, team selections and overall lack of leadership qualities than he does good with his batting. Still the most over hyped player in the world. Obviously you are going to be best batsman in your team when you make sure that no one else can ever be sure of their places Pujara's 132 was the best innings by an Indian in the series.
    Sorry but 149 was the best innings. You cannot remember many innings where one does a partnership of 50+runs with 11th batsman where the other batsman score just 1 run
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proactive_ View Post
    It was hilarious though seeing the "master chaser" choking in two manageable chases in the 1st and 4th Tests. Not to mention the 1st and 2nd Tests in SA as well. Also not to mention that he does much more harm with his clueless captaincy, team selections and overall lack of leadership qualities than he does good with his batting. Still the most over hyped player in the world. Obviously you are going to be best batsman in your team when you make sure that no one else can ever be sure of their places Pujara's 132 was the best innings by an Indian in the series.
    The best inning by an indian was Kohli's 149 at Edgabastan.

    Pujara's 132 was bettered by Rahul's 149 in the last test. That inning by Pujara came when Ali was running through Indian lineup and generally Pujara plays spin well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    The best inning by an indian was Kohli's 149 at Edgabastan.

    Pujara's 132 was bettered by Rahul's 149 in the last test. That inning by Pujara came when Ali was running through Indian lineup and generally Pujara plays spin well.
    Pujara's 132 >>> Rahul's 149

    Situation and pressure matters.


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    Kohli's Edgbaston is the best knock of them all without a doubt.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Pujara's 132 >>> Rahul's 149

    Situation and pressure matters.
    Okay but I felt Rahul did gave India a chance to drew the match, although a dead rubber.

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    He could go down as ATG even without doing well in this England tour. But his performance leaves his detractors with no place to hide. (His captaincy is besides the point.) Only Smith, and Bradman before him, has piled up centuries at this speed. If he has merely an average career from here on it is still a shoe in. ATG for sure

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    100 test sample is required for anyone to be an atg.
    I will be disappointed if he doesn't go down as atleast the second greatest test batsman from asia.

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    Nobody has become playing 60 odd tests except in the amateur era of Bradman. Kohli needs to reproduce what he has done in his test career so far all over again.

    Longevity is non negotiable when it comes to determining greatness.

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    He was an ATG before he played this series, but yes this performance has elevated his status and legacy further. Undoubtedly a top five batsman of all time material.

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    Virat Kohli in SENA

    Australia, 2011/12: 300 runs at 37.5
    3rd highest scorer of the series

    South Africa, 2013: 272 runs at 68;
    2nd highest scorer of the series

    New Zealand, 2014: 214 runs at 71.33
    3rd highest scorer of the series

    England, 2014: 134 runs at 13.4

    Australia, 2014/15: 692 runs at 86.5
    2nd highest scorer in the series

    South Africa, 2018: 268 runs at 47.7
    Highest run scorer of the series

    England, 2018: 593 runs at 59.3
    Highest run scorer of the series

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    I hesitate to call anyone great before their career is over - Richie Richardson and Judgey Smith were heading that way before each suffered big losses of form and premature retirement - but Mr Kohli seems to be well on course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proactive_ View Post
    Still the most over hyped player in the world. Obviously you are going to be best batsman in your team when you make sure that no one else can ever be sure of their places
    Doesn't he also need help from England bowlers bowling pies , dropping catches and the pitch being flat in order to make 593 runs in 10 inngs ? Go ahead you can say those things with a pretty damn straight face too ( and then get promptly pwned brutally )


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    I think Kohli needs a few more runs than 6147 to become an ATG.

    Guys like Ponting and Dravid and Tendulkar averaged 57+ during their peak years. They ended up with career averages much lower.

    Let's wait a bit before prematurely declaring him an ATG in test cricket.

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    At this stage, YK is a greater batsman imo. Inzi too. Sanga for sure. The former two are hardly considered ATGs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proactive_ View Post
    It was hilarious though seeing the "master chaser" choking in two manageable chases in the 1st and 4th Tests. Not to mention the 1st and 2nd Tests in SA as well. Also not to mention that he does much more harm with his clueless captaincy, team selections and overall lack of leadership qualities than he does good with his batting. Still the most over hyped player in the world. Obviously you are going to be best batsman in your team when you make sure that no one else can ever be sure of their places Pujara's 132 was the best innings by an Indian in the series.
    Reading your posts one can assume that Kohli is a tail ender. Brother, no one gives almost 17,500 international runs in charity.

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    In 10 tests he could only average 36 in England. A great batsmen overall but not one of the very best even as a Indian. He has failed in the home of cricket.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    In 10 tests he could only average 36 in England. A great batsmen overall but not one of the very best even as a Indian. He has failed in the home of cricket.
    One more series is left(atleast).

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    Not until his runs translate to something more than India getting smashed in SENA. His three greatest series have seen India get beaten 2-0, 4-1 and 2-1 (the sole win coming in a dead rubber). Compare that to some of the real great players and you'll see that they actually won tests/series for their respective teams.

    He's a good test cricketer right now and arguably the best in the world, but has some way to go before he can be compared with the greats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    One more series is left(atleast).
    Maybe maybe not as he might retire to focus on T20 and ODI's esp if as captain he continues to lose away series. Even if the does he will be towards the end of his career and up against a better English side. The weather may not also be hot and good for batting as it was in this series. He batted well but needed to do more.

    I find it hillarious people think he is better than Sachin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blistering Barnacle View Post
    I think Kohli needs a few more runs than 6147 to become an ATG.

    Guys like Ponting and Dravid and Tendulkar averaged 57+ during their peak years. They ended up with career averages much lower.

    Let's wait a bit before prematurely declaring him an ATG in test cricket.
    Ponting averaged 59+ after 120 Tests IIRC, 50 more than the matches Kohli has played so far

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    I know there are lots of questions about his captaincy but I've noticed that no only he became pretty mature person as a captain but his performance also got much better. He is building himself as a Giant. I am not sure whether team India is capable enough to fight without him or not. But I can assure you that he is (maybe only Virat atm) capable to fight alone and guess what he is still improving. I'd love to see him in WC 2019. Other hand there are many peoples chanting about Rohit Sharma's captaincy. I don't going to rate him until Asia cup. Because you can't judge any player by watching T20's leagues and 1 or series performance as a captain. However I am still interested to see competition between Rohit and Virat, for being a better captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Not until his runs translate to something more than India getting smashed in SENA. His three greatest series have seen India get beaten 2-0, 4-1 and 2-1 (the sole win coming in a dead rubber). Compare that to some of the real great players and you'll see that they actually won tests/series for their respective teams.

    He's a good test cricketer right now and arguably the best in the world, but has some way to go before he can be compared with the greats.
    He is already better than the likes of Amla, who you rate so high.

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    Younis khan
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    Virat Kohli
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    This is all i need to know who was better in overseas conditions. If virat kohli doesn't retire as a better batsman than younis khan then he will be the biggest underachiever in the history of modern cricket.
    All stuffs like centuries in won series overseas etc etc trash makes even abd, amla, smith better batsman than lara, sachin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    Younis khan
    Centuries in SENA :5
    Virat Kohli
    Centuries in Sena:11(half the matches)
    This is all i need to know who was better in overseas conditions. .
    You see the Evil BCCI made sure pitches were flat in all matches where Kohli batted otherwise I can assure you 100% that Kohli is a FTB who cannot play even if the ball moves 1 milli-meter

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    As I’ve been saying.

    Kohli is the greatest batsman of all time across every single format.

    Captaincy on the other hand needs work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckLee View Post
    As I’ve been saying.

    Kohli is the greatest batsman of all time across every single format.

    Captaincy on the other hand needs work.
    Captaincy needs to be resigned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Captaincy needs to be resigned.
    Kohli has the personality of a captain. He needs to be more tactically during the game and also make the right selections.

    Having a better support staff will help in the player selection. But Kohli also needs to reign in his ego and listen to the support staff.

    As for tactics during game play, that will come from experience and having a strong deputy. Even Imran Khan and Ganguly were not tactically strong. But they had good support Miandad, Tendulkar, Dravid and Kumble. Kohli needs to have a deputy needs to have good intelligence.

    But, again Kohli needs to be able to listen to these guys when they have a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    He is already better than the likes of Amla, who you rate so high.
    No, he's clearly not. Kohli is barely among the top ten test batsmen of the last decade while Amla is near the top. However, someone like you won't see it.

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    Sangakkara, Amla, Younis, G.Smith, Cook, Pietersen, de Villiers, Clarke, S.Smith and arguably Williamson are all ahead of Virat Kohli thus far.

    Blind, Kohli fans can rage all they want but this is the truth of the matter. Kohli has won his team absolutely nothing of note and the weak team argument does not work in his case.

    He can certainly join or even surpass all those guys in the future but to pretend that he already has is the height of delusion.

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    Oh dear.

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    The very definition of an ATG is that you make your side win something major. Pele, Maradona, Sachin, Imran etc would not have been ATGs of their sport had they not managed to win their side major international tournaments.



    10 years down the line how many will remember that Kohli hit 500 odd runs in a test series against England.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    The very definition of an ATG is that you make your side win something major. Pele, Maradona, Sachin, Imran etc would not have been ATGs of their sport had they not managed to win their side major international tournaments.



    10 years down the line how many will remember that Kohli hit 500 odd runs in a test series against England.
    No one will care. What they will care about is that Kohli was on the wrong side of 2-0, 2-1 (the win coming in a dead rubber) and 4-1 losses to Australia, South Africa and England. Not to mention all the other defeats he has suffered in SENA and the fact that he'll never have been tested against Pakistan, one of the best teams of his era.

    Compare that to Younis Khan who led his team to a drawn series against a very good English side with a match-winning and series-saving double-century, as well as his exploits in India.

    Kohli hasn't even been truly dominant at home, unlike Younis Kham. He was awful during India's wins against South Africa and Australia and like I said before, never faced the one team that could challenge India in India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Sangakkara, Amla, Younis, G.Smith, Cook, Pietersen, de Villiers, Clarke, S.Smith and arguably Williamson are all ahead of Virat Kohli thus far.

    Blind, Kohli fans can rage all they want but this is the truth of the matter. Kohli has won his team absolutely nothing of note and the weak team argument does not work in his case.

    He can certainly join or even surpass all those guys in the future but to pretend that he already has is the height of delusion.
    And what has Williamson won to be ranked ahead of Kohli? Flops in ICC tournaments as well. NZ haven't won any test series in India,Australia,and South Africa whilst he has been around.

    More biased and hypocrisy from you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    No, he's clearly not. Kohli is barely among the top ten test batsmen of the last decade while Amla is near the top. However, someone like you won't see it.
    Amla near the top lol. Virat Kohli wipes the floor with Amla in every format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    The very definition of an ATG is that you make your side win something major. Pele, Maradona, Sachin, Imran etc would not have been ATGs of their sport had they not managed to win their side major international tournaments.



    10 years down the line how many will remember that Kohli hit 500 odd runs in a test series against England.
    So Lara Kallis Waqar Ambrose Walsh Donald Pollock Steyn are not ATGs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    No one will care. What they will care about is that Kohli was on the wrong side of 2-0, 2-1 (the win coming in a dead rubber) and 4-1 losses to Australia, South Africa and England. Not to mention all the other defeats he has suffered in SENA and the fact that he'll never have been tested against Pakistan, one of the best teams of his era.

    Compare that to Younis Khan who led his team to a drawn series against a very good English side with a match-winning and series-saving double-century, as well as his exploits in India.

    Kohli hasn't even been truly dominant at home, unlike Younis Kham. He was awful during India's wins against South Africa and Australia and like I said before, never faced the one team that could challenge India in India.
    When did the number 7 team become one of the best of the era?

    10 yrs down the line people will talk about Kohli as they talk about Lara or Tendulkar or Ponting or Dravid or Kallis of the last two decades as the best. Hardly anyone will talk about YK as hardly anyone talks about MoYo or even Inzy except few Pakistanis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    When did the number 7 team become one of the best of the era?

    10 yrs down the line people will talk about Kohli as they talk about Lara or Tendulkar or Ponting or Dravid or Kallis of the last two decades as the best. Hardly anyone will talk about YK as hardly anyone talks about MoYo or even Inzy except few Pakistanis.
    You mean Indians.

    In England everyone talks of Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting but not Kohli. He averages 35 in England in 10 matches which is poor and the reason why here the average fan doesn't put him in the ATG bracket.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    When did the number 7 team become one of the best of the era?

    10 yrs down the line people will talk about Kohli as they talk about Lara or Tendulkar or Ponting or Dravid or Kallis of the last two decades as the best. Hardly anyone will talk about YK as hardly anyone talks about MoYo or even Inzy except few Pakistanis.
    Bhai you are arguing with someone who said Williamson is better despite never winning a test series away from home against a top team and not winning anything internationally for NZ. His argument just fell down the drain after that .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    The very definition of an ATG is that you make your side win something major. Pele, Maradona, Sachin, Imran etc would not have been ATGs of their sport had they not managed to win their side major international tournaments.



    10 years down the line how many will remember that Kohli hit 500 odd runs in a test series against England.

    So Sarfraz is an ATG for winning that game against Sri Lanka but Donald and Waqar aren't ATGs because they never won WC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    You mean Indians.

    In England everyone talks of Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting but not Kohli. He averages 35 in England in 10 matches which is poor and the reason why here the average fan doesn't put him in the ATG bracket.
    So 35 avg is poor.


    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Viv wasnt playing on flat tracks against average bowlers .

    England produces the most balanced conditions for bat & ball . Ok take another 5 off . If Kohli averages less than 35 in England in his whole career hes not an ATG test bat imo. Happy now ?
    Is this guy you or someone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Sangakkara, Amla, Younis, G.Smith, Cook, Pietersen, de Villiers, Clarke, S.Smith and arguably Williamson are all ahead of Virat Kohli thus far.

    Blind, Kohli fans can rage all they want but this is the truth of the matter. Kohli has won his team absolutely nothing of note and the weak team argument does not work in his case.

    He can certainly join or even surpass all those guys in the future but to pretend that he already has is the height of delusion.
    Opinions like this lower the quality of the forum and really should be made on other platforms because your dislike of him is certainly not for cricketing reasons.

    Kohli is an inspiration to Asian cricketers (not just Indians), he's not had an easy journey growing up. I'm not sure you're aware his dad died 12 years ago when he was in his late teens but that didn't deter his ambitions whatsoever. He's a player that has given millions of young Asian fans from all backgrounds hope that you can be the best if you have the drive and persistence like he has.

    His story growing up to become the supreme cricketer and athlete that he is has resemblances with the one of Cristiano Ronaldo whose father also passed away when he was young due to alcoholism. These two are the greatest ambassadors for their respective sports not Salah and Amla even though I am a big admirer of the former.

    At the end of the day we will be judged by how we treat others. He's always spoken well and treated our players such as Amir with respect. It's about time you take a leaf out of his book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    So Sarfraz is an ATG for winning that game against Sri Lanka but Donald and Waqar aren't ATGs because they never won WC?
    Absolutely nailed it Hasan. Remarkable logic that from Syed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Sangakkara, Amla, Younis, G.Smith, Cook, Pietersen, de Villiers, Clarke, S.Smith and arguably Williamson are all ahead of Virat Kohli thus far.

    Blind, Kohli fans can rage all they want but this is the truth of the matter. Kohli has won his team absolutely nothing of note and the weak team argument does not work in his case.

    He can certainly join or even surpass all those guys in the future but to pretend that he already has is the height of delusion.
    Bilalbhai, you believe Amla is legend in other threads. He has not won a jack for his team. And regarding Kohli, should we believe you (a poster in a forum) or real cricket expert who actually played this beautiful game internationally?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    You mean Indians.

    In England everyone talks of Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting but not Kohli. He averages 35 in England in 10 matches which is poor and the reason why here the average fan doesn't put him in the ATG bracket.
    Thank God cricket is not played in Eng only. Do they talk about Ponting’s avg of 26 in India?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    The very definition of an ATG is that you make your side win something major. Pele, Maradona, Sachin, Imran etc would not have been ATGs of their sport had they not managed to win their side major international tournaments.



    10 years down the line how many will remember that Kohli hit 500 odd runs in a test series against England.
    Thanks for making Munaf Patel ATG by this logic. He wipes floor with Waqar, Aaqib, Shoaib with this criteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Not yet, but likely to go down as an ATG in test as well. He doesn't need to do too much from here, just pile up some more runs before he hangs his boot.
    Agree. But there's no doubt he will reach ATG level, he's too tenacious and ruthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    When did the number 7 team become one of the best of the era?

    10 yrs down the line people will talk about Kohli as they talk about Lara or Tendulkar or Ponting or Dravid or Kallis of the last two decades as the best. Hardly anyone will talk about YK as hardly anyone talks about MoYo or even Inzy except few Pakistanis.
    *#1 team. With some of the best spinners, batsmen and pace bowlers in the world. Not to mention, the second best team in Asian conditions and the only one who could have beaten India in India.

    I don't know if you or I will be alive to see what people talk about in 10 years time. I'd much rather concern myself with where Kohli stands right now instead of looking into a crystal ball.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    And what has Williamson won to be ranked ahead of Kohli? Flops in ICC tournaments as well. NZ haven't won any test series in India,Australia,and South Africa whilst he has been around.

    More biased and hypocrisy from you ?
    The weak team argument works with Kane but despite that, he's managed to help his team draw a series in the UAE which is a more significant accomplishment than anything Kohli has done.

    Do your research next time before whining about "hypocrisy". Also, "ICC tournaments"? I'm clearly talking about tests.

    Quote Originally Posted by kuskash View Post
    Bilalbhai, you believe Amla is legend in other threads. He has not won a jack for his team. And regarding Kohli, should we believe you (a poster in a forum) or real cricket expert who actually played this beautiful game internationally?
    I don't know or care about what you believe. I am simply giving my honest opinion on Kohli and challenging the sheep who think he's already a legend of some sort despite not winning anything of significance.

    Amla has helped his team win series in Australia, England, New Zealand and Sri Lanka. He's also helped draw two series in the UAE during a time when all comers were being put down in the desert. Also, an Indian like you should remember South Africa's tour of India back in 2010 and Amla's heroics on that tour.

    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Opinions like this lower the quality of the forum and really should be made on other platforms because your dislike of him is certainly not for cricketing reasons.

    Kohli is an inspiration to Asian cricketers (not just Indians), he's not had an easy journey growing up. I'm not sure you're aware his dad died 12 years ago when he was in his late teens but that didn't deter his ambitions whatsoever. He's a player that has given millions of young Asian fans from all backgrounds hope that you can be the best if you have the drive and persistence like he has.

    His story growing up to become the supreme cricketer and athlete that he is has resemblances with the one of Cristiano Ronaldo whose father also passed away when he was young due to alcoholism. These two are the greatest ambassadors for their respective sports not Salah and Amla even though I am a big admirer of the former.

    At the end of the day we will be judged by how we treat others. He's always spoken well and treated our players such as Amir with respect. It's about time you take a leaf out of his book.
    So I should not criticize Kohli the cricket player because he lost his father at a young age? And I am the one who's opinions do not belong here?

    Millions of Asian fans have already been given hope by everyone from Imran, to Sachin to Sangakkara and Mohammad Yousuf. You're talking as if Kohli is from a region that has had no superstars before him.

    I actually have a lot of respect for Kohli the person off the field. He's a very good man and like you said, has been good to our players. Does that mean he is above criticism? You need to learn how forums work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    *#1 team. With some of the best spinners, batsmen and pace bowlers in the world. Not to mention, the second best team in Asian conditions and the only one who could have beaten India in India.

    I don't know if you or I will be alive to see what people talk about in 10 years time. I'd much rather concern myself with where Kohli stands right now instead of looking into a crystal ball.



    The weak team argument works with Kane but despite that, he's managed to help his team draw a series in the UAE which is a more significant accomplishment than anything Kohli has done.

    Do your research next time before whining about "hypocrisy". Also, "ICC tournaments"? I'm clearly talking about tests.



    I don't know or care about what you believe. I am simply giving my honest opinion on Kohli and challenging the sheep who think he's already a legend of some sort despite not winning anything of significance.

    Amla has helped his team win series in Australia, England, New Zealand and Sri Lanka. He's also helped draw two series in the UAE during a time when all comers were being put down in the desert. Also, an Indian like you should remember South Africa's tour of India back in 2010 and Amla's heroics on that tour.



    So I should not criticize Kohli the cricket player because he lost his father at a young age? And I am the one who's opinions do not belong here?

    Millions of Asian fans have already been given hope by everyone from Imran, to Sachin to Sangakkara and Mohammad Yousuf. You're talking as if Kohli is from a region that has had no superstars before him.

    I actually have a lot of respect for Kohli the person off the field. He's a very good man and like you said, has been good to our players. Does that mean he is above criticism? You need to learn how forums work.

    So when it's another player icc tournaments don't matter ? Also didn't know NZ was a minnow nation that can't win away from home.

    So drawing a test series is a major achivemeant in cricket now ? And in the UAE of all places? One of the worst places to play cricket in the world . If you don't believe me ask someone who knows more about cricket than us 2 combined.

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    How can Amla be an ATG when he has never won a WC for his country ? Waqar never won a test series for Pakistan in South Africa or Australia? So is Waqar not an ATG then ? @Bilal7

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    I think Kohli will continue to make strides and prove all his detractors wrong.

    Cometh 2020, a lot of people will be eating their words regarding Kohli and will be running out of excuses to explain the anomaly of him scoring way too many runs (right now it's the easy pitch, lack of players, bad team, team lost etc excuses).


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