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    "Too many promising spinners are being lost in our system" : Mushtaq Ahmed

    A veteran of 196 international appearances in which he took 346 wickets, former Pakistan leg-spinner Mushtaq Ahmed's vast experience in his field is in great demand and has seen him undertake a variety of coaching assignments including the Head Coach of the prestigious National Cricket Academy in Lahore.

    In an exclusive interview with PakPassion.net, Mushtaq spoke about his impressions of the T10 League in Abu Dhabi, the importance to Pakistan cricket of leg-spinners Shadab Khan and Yasir Shah, his interest in re-joining the PCB as a spin-bowling consultant and how the changes in the domestic system in Pakistan can benefit cricket in the country.





    PakPassion.net: What are your impressions of the T10 League in Abu Dhabi?

    Mushtaq Ahmed:
    It’s a very important tournament for young and inexperienced players as well as those who have already played this format before. The reason for that is that in this format of the game, there is very little time to think and you need to act very quickly, so as a player you do not have time to wonder about the consequences which can restrict your stroke-play and it encourages cricketers to think on their feet. In my view, this game can play a huge role in building a strong temperament for youngsters and that can help them in Tests and ODIs as well.


    PakPassion.net: Are you concerned about the current form of Shadab Khan?

    Mushtaq Ahmed:
    Shadab Khan’s form is a matter of concern for all well-wishers of Pakistan cricket and that should be the case as he has been a top-performer for Pakistan in the past. He has been taking wickets in the middle of the innings which is a crucial phase in any game but then he fell ill before the 2019 World Cup, and I feel he did not give himself enough time to recuperate and made himself available once again too early for national duties. Even at that time, I had stated that he should have not hurried himself back into international cricket as his fitness level wasn’t that good, which in turn affected his bowling as well. Ups and downs come in every player’s life but what the need of the hour as far as Shadab is concerned is for the team management to give him mental support and confidence. I recall from my playing days that when I used to get hit around in games, Imran Khan used to tell me to not worry and that I had the capability to win the next game by myself. So, a bowler sometimes just needs confidence from his captain and that is enough to do the job. I believe that we are all guilty of creating doubts in bowlers' minds just because a few games don’t go according to our expectations. Also, sometimes, a break from cricket is necessary to allow a player to recharge his batteries by being away from the game. So, I would say that I am concerned about Shadab Khan at the moment but I am not worried about his long term future.


    PakPassion.net: Can Yasir Shah regain the form that made him Pakistan's match-winner?

    Mushtaq Ahmed:
    Based on my experience of about 2 years that I spent with Yasir, I am of the firm opinion that he needs a mentor who can understand his mindset and guide him too. I would say that in general, a match winner like Yasir always needs some people around him who have a clear idea of his strengths and weaknesses. Looking back at my own career, I can tell you that when Shahid Afridi came into the side, I felt that I had to prove myself every time I came on to bowl as I felt that he would take my position. This is why it's important that the team management needs to make it clear to Yasir that he is a permanent team member in Tests and that no one can take his place, which is only logical as he has taken more than 200 wickets and he took those wickets at such a quick rate that in my view, Pakistan’s number one ranking in Tests was by and large due to his performances. Since Yasir Shah doesn’t play ODIs or T20Is, we just see him in Tests and the moment he doesn’t do well in even one game, we are willing to write him off and overlook all his previous records to criticise him which I feel is totally unfair.


    PakPassion.net: How do you rate Zafar Gohar as a future Pakistan prospect?

    Mushtaq Ahmed:
    Zafar Gohar is very experienced in my view, so he should be preferred for selection in the Pakistan A team and in various camps that the PCB organises. He is a talented left-arm spinner who can bat as well and is a decent fielder as well and a great prospect. Similar to Zafar, we have had the emergence of Mohammad Asghar in the past who then seemed to step away from the limelight. We need a process in place to monitor performances in First-Class cricket of such up and coming bowlers so that they are not lost in the system after showing so much potential.


    PakPassion.net: Are you encouraged by the emergence of quality spinners around the world?

    Mushtaq Ahmed:
    To me cricket of today is centred around spinners as they are an important part of any side and it appears that a lot of good spinners are around as well. For example, even in a tournament like the T10 League, I have discovered three mystery spinners already – two are leg-spinners and one is a Chinaman bowler. The reason for the importance of spinners is that they are an attacking option and get you wickets and this is how teams win matches. In today’s game, if 60 runs are required in 15 balls then that’s considered doable but the introduction of a good spinner at that point in the game, who can bowl with variation creates doubts in the minds of batsmen and suddenly makes the target not that gettable anymore. Personally speaking, watching Chinaman and mystery bowlers gives me a lot of encouragement as I feel that whilst spinners may not be able to bowl bouncers, they have the ability to win matches for their sides which in the final analysis is more important.


    PakPassion.net: Is there a lack of quality leg-spinners in Pakistan at this time?

    Mushtaq Ahmed:
    Absolutely not. Let me remind you that Pakistan is blessed with two excellent leg-spinners in the shape of Yasir Shah and Shadab Khan. We are lucky that we have one specialist leg-spinner for Tests and another for the limited-overs game. During my tenure as Head Coach for the NCA, there were plenty of up and coming leg-spinners at the U14, U16 and U19 levels. What we need to do now is to monitor all these young leg-spinners very carefully. A while ago, we had the likes of Ibtisam Sheikh emerge as an excellent prospect but we seemed to let him go. We need to nurture and take care of such talents in order for that talent to grow, not unlike a gardener tends to young saplings in his care and turns them into trees so that they provide benefit forever. I feel though that too many promising spinners are being lost in our system.


    PakPassion.net: Did you apply for the recently advertised role for a Spin-Bowling Consultant at the PCB?

    Mushtaq Ahmed:
    I have responded to PCB’s advertisement for the vacant position of a spin-bowling consultant which isn’t a full-time job. I am now waiting for a response and a call for an interview and will look to fulfil all requirements for this position and am looking forward to serving my country once again, and to work with youngsters for the betterment of Pakistan cricket.


    PakPassion.net: Are you convinced that the recently introduced changes in Pakistan's domestic system will bear fruit?

    Mushtaq Ahmed:
    The new setup in domestic cricket as introduced by the PCB will need a little time for it to show its true benefits. We need to wait and be patient as all such changes require a period of settling down before a judgement can be made on their utility. My feeling is that this new setup will provide opportunities to play quality cricket for young players but there are a few considerations that PCB will need to keep an eye on. To get the true benefit of these changes, the pitches where the first-class and 2nd XI games are played need to be of a very good quality. If we look at the Australian system which the PCB have chosen to emulate, there is distinct behaviour of each of the pitches so the Sydney, Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide pitches are all different in behaviour and of a high standard as well. Players playing in domestic cricket on such good quality and different pitches get a good grounding and become excellent cricketers. In addition to the pitches, the PCB needs to pay attention to umpiring standards as well and if they pay attention to all these issues, the system will find us excellent new cricketers in the near future.
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    Its good news that Mushtaq Ahmed is wanting to join Pakistan again as a spin consultant, and I hope he decides to become a permanent Spin Bowling coach for Pakistan soon. I feel as though a Spin Bowling coach is a must and the likes of Yasir Shah were much better the last time he is in the Pakistan management as a spin bowling consultant. And does that mean he is done with the West Indies?

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    Mushtaq clear that Yasir needs mentor all the time


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    It is inevitable when you make rubbish bits and pieces players like Shadab your frontline spinner.

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    Good to see him talk about ibtisam sheikh, he knows the players we need to keep an eye on

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    I think itís great to have such a wise and seasoned coach as part of the pcb system. Hopefully he will work with the spinners again..god knows yasir and shadab need guidance. Itís alarming that we donít seem to develop our players

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    Yasir has been lost ever since Mushy left the spin coaching role.

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    Pakistani system cares more about pacers as is evident on PP.

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    Spinners need overs and the new system encourages that. They have to stopping think about bowling leg and middle defensive lines( Imad) and attack batsman with spin and flight, and that will happen if the new system beds down.

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    If the reports are correct that PCB is looking for a spin bowling coach so Mushtaq might be in the radar as well along with Saqlain.

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    Mushtaq seems to indicate that Yasir suffers from crippling insecurities about his position in the team.

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    Dont want to derail the thread, but how has Asghar his performance been this season?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amirforpresident View Post
    Dont want to derail the thread, but how has Asghar his performance been this season?
    Spinners this season in QEA:

    Name Age Skill Team Mats Wkts BB Ave 4wl 5wl S. Rate Econ
    Nauman Ali 33 years LAO Northern 8 41 8-71 24.02 2 4 42.44 3.40
    Bilal Asif 34 years RAO Central Punjab 7 26 4-33 24.50 3 0 49.23 2.99
    Shadab Khan 21 years RALB Northern 2 9 4-151 28.22 1 0 49.22 3.44
    Kashif Bhatti 33 years LAO Sindh 4 14 4-108 29.86 1 0 78.00 2.30
    Sajid Khan 26 years RAO Khyber Pakhtunkhwa 5 14 5-36 29.86 1 1 50.43 3.55
    Mohammad Asghar 21 years LAO Balochistan 7 25 6-121 30.08 1 2 50.00 3.61
    Zafar Gohar 25 years LAO Central Punjab 9 32 7-79 30.28 3 1 59.97 3.03
    Hassan Khan 21 years LAO Sindh 3 6 2-37 37.00 0 0 68.33 3.25
    Yasir Shah 34 years RALB Balochistan 5 21 5-104 39.52 1 1 67.43 3.52
    Mohammad Irfan 30 years LAO Southern Punjab 8 20 5-131 40.90 1 2 77.70 3.16
    Adil Amin 29 years RAO Khyber Pakhtunkhwa 9 6 5-81 45.67 0 1 88.00 3.11
    Zohaib Khan 36 years LAO Khyber Pakhtunkhwa 9 7 3-21 54.29 0 0 98.00 3.32
    Zahid Mahmood 32 years RAL Southern Punjab 7 11 2-57 84.36 0 0 122.55 4.13

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    No quality spinner from Pakistan after Ajmal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    Mushtaq seems to indicate that Yasir suffers from crippling insecurities about his position in the team.
    Whilst mentoring is required, a player needs to be strong enough to perform consistantly be picked on merit all the time also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King_Kohli View Post
    No quality spinner from Pakistan after Ajmal.
    What is a ‘quality’ spinner?

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    PCB should look to hiring Mushy again.

    However he walked away previously from the PCB and that will be in the back of their minds.



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    Apparently done very well with the West Indian spinners and has held a couple of camps


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    Of course and let me guess you can fix that?

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    We are losing to much of everything it seems. Either fix the system or stop crying about it.


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    Mushy made a good point about Yasir needing a mentor to guide him - Hopefully we will see an improvement for the Karachi Test from Yasir.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Mushy made a good point about Yasir needing a mentor to guide him - Hopefully we will see an improvement for the Karachi Test from Yasir.
    After all these years of playing international cricket itís strange he still needs a mentor. He will never be a top tier spinner unless he can work things out for himself ie what speed to bowl at when to contain and when to attack. Setting effective field settings etc. If he needs mushy to advise him constantly then ..weíll I just donít know.

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    Some important days coming up for Mushy.......with Yasir Shah.



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    Mushy needs to focus on younger spinners now yasir is literally gone

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Mushy made a good point about Yasir needing a mentor to guide him - Hopefully we will see an improvement for the Karachi Test from Yasir.
    Yasir is soon to be 34 years old... I don't think he needs a mentor but more of a time chamber to go back to being younger instead of being in his 30's and in the decline phase.

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    Mushtaq Ahmed: ‘To win Tests, it is a must to have quality spinners’

    Mushtaq Ahmed was just 21 when he travelled to Australia with the Pakistan team for the World Cup in 1992.

    Then taking baby steps in international cricket, the leg-spinner stunned the world, becoming the joint second-highest wicket-taker in the tournament with 16 wickets from eight games. His performance helped Pakistan clinch the title.

    On Wednesday, 28 years after Pakistan’s iconic World Cup win, Mushtaq, who is now a spin-bowling consultant with the Pakistan Cricket Board, walked down memory lane. “Imran bhai believed we can do it, and we did it,” Mushtaq said from Lahore, heaping praise on the then captain Imran Khan, who is now the Prime Minister of Pakistan.

    In a conversation with Sportstar, the former spin ace speaks about the iconic 1992 World Cup, the state of spin bowling and more.

    Q. You were part of the Pakistan team which won the World Cup in 1992, under the leadership of Imran Khan. It’s been 28 years since, but as you look back, what are the memories that you cherish?

    A. The most important thing is what the leader believes about the team. And I still remember that speech of Imran Khan during our team meeting in Perth before the game against Australia. He said that if we could defeat Australia, we could win the World Cup. There was a lot of doubt among the players. As a youngster, I thought how was it even possible to bounce back? But Imran bhai kept faith in us and he had a firm belief. He never gave up. That became the turning point. In the game against Australia, we did play like cornered tigers, we were everywhere and all of us were full of energy.

    In tough situations, it is important to have a good leader who can lead a turnaround. That’s exactly what Imran bhai did with that team. In Urdu, they say, “Jo aapka guman hota hai, allah waise hi faisla karte hain.” It was true for us!

    Imran bhai believed we can do it, and we did it.

    It’s been three decades almost and Pakistan still hasn’t won another World Cup. Does it hurt you?

    There were plenty of occasions, where we went close but could not win the World Cup. In 1999, we lost in the final. In 1996, we lost the quarterfinal against India. In 2017, we won the Champions Trophy. Sarfaraz Ahmed had the belief that we could win [and] that’s exactly what happened. In 1999, the team played fantastic till the final, but in the summit clash against Australia, we could not deliver. The confidence, the self-belief, was missing among the players. So, it is important to have a captain who can motivate the team and help them overcome the odds - something Imran bhai did in 1992.

    There was a time when Asian countries like India, Sri Lanka and Pakistan were known for their star spinners who would dominate the world stage. But now, there seems to be a dearth of quality spinners from this part of the world. How do you see it?

    There was a time when most of the teams from Asia would go abroad and lose. Our pace batteries weren’t that strong. As far as Pakistan is concerned, there was a gap after the exit of Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis and Shoaib Akhtar. When you travel to South Africa, England, you must have seamers in your ranks, because the pitches are such that the seamers get the maximum benefit and spinners find it difficult.

    In India, the wickets are flat. In flat wickets, batsmen can score lots of runs, but in the last decade, the focus in India and Pakistan was to prepare more seaming wickets. In Pakistan, we had seaming pitches and the first-class games would be over in two days, because even the batsmen weren’t confident; the pacers, too, did not have to increase their pace. You just had to keep your line and length right. So, chances for spinners were less and we did not focus on them much.

    So, what’s the way forward?

    Look at any successful team, it is a must to have a mystery spinner, especially a leg-spinner, who can have variations. So, for all the boards, the focus has to be the development at the grassroots level.

    I have been offered roles by various cricket boards, with the target of scouting leg-spinners and then grooming them. Even the overseas boards have started planning and taking measures to improve the spin wing - that’s a good thing. England won the World Cup last year - Moeen Ali and Aadil Rashid are very good spinners, who give you breakthroughs in the middle-overs. So, to win Tests or any other tournaments, it is a must to have quality spinners.

    You spoke about mentoring young talents. What initiatives could the Asian cricket boards take to make that happen?

    You need to spend lots of time, lots of money in grassroots. At the youth level, youngsters aren’t always nurtured well. At times, we fail to understand their capability. They give up. So, it is important to groom those young talents, help them improve the technique. As a leg-spinner, if you have a good action, you can win in any situation. For this, it is necessary to have a good mentor to guide you with the action. I feel happy to say this that before he went on to play for Pakistan, I spent a lot of time with Yasir Shah. I have worked with Shadab Khan, Usman Qadir. PCB is spending lots of time, and as a consultant of the PCB, I am trying to find out mystery, chinaman spinners. The effort is to find off-spinners like Moeen Ali, who can win you matches.

    The focus has to be on the grassroots and ensuring that a player gets enough chances in first-class cricket. He should witness failure earlier, so that he can work on his errors and improve. Ultimately, a player is his best coach. If you can identify the mistakes, then that’s the most important [thing].

    With the game witnessing an evolution, most of the teams are now banking on fast bowlers for the longer format of the game. Do you really think that the spinners still hold the key in Test cricket?

    Yes, and that’s why, all the cricketing nations, including India and Pakistan, are working on spinners. Because, if you have to win Test matches, fourth and fifth day belongs to the spinners. The batsmen are still apprehensive about tackling spinners on the last two days of a Test match. Today’s batsmen don’t have much patience, so if you can manage to get a couple of maiden overs, [you can] be sure of getting wickets soon. That’s been the trend in Tests as well.

    So, if you are a good mystery spinner, who has a fair idea about tactical game, things definitely help.

    And, what about the T20s?

    Even in T20s, which is considered the fastest format, spinners are becoming the highest wicket-takers, be it Adam Zampa or Kuldeep Yadav or Shadab Khan. The game is evolving, and in such times, you need a good coach to tell the spinners about setting up a good field position. It is important to understand the pitch, the conditions. In Australia, South Africa or England, you need to spin the ball in the air, which is called over-spin. But in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka, you have to bowl into the pitch. These are the things you need to keep in mind. Small things, but very important.

    For the last few years, India has banked heavily on Kuldeep Yadav and Yuzvendra Chahal. But lately, Kuldeep seems to be struggling. A section of former cricketers believe that batsmen have been able to read his action. What’s your thought on this?

    India has two talents in Kuldeep and Chahal. As you play international cricket, your action definitely requires fine-tuning. That’s where you need a good coach, who knows the spin matters well and someone who can fine-tune these small areas. And also, it is important for the spinners to play tactical game. They themselves should realise how to change their approach, depending on the situation. This includes keeping the line and length in mind. When you understand this, then you don’t need to worry. You have all the weapons in your kitty. Look, even if a batsman can read your mystery element or the googlies, they still need to face you. And, it is difficult, trust me. So, spinners should play smart and be consistent.

    https://sportstar.thehindu.com/crick...le31175148.ece

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    As the future of cricketing action appears uncertain amid the rapidly-growing Coronavirus crisis, table-toppers Multan Sultans should be declared the winners of the suspended Pakistan Super League (PSL) 2020 since hosting knockout matches later will affect the new season, feels former Pakistan spinner Mushtaq Ahmed.

    Mushtaq was on the coaching panel of the Multan Sultans along with England’s Andy Flower and local coach Abdul Rehman. He feels it is important to pull curtains on the fifth edition. “The PSL five has to have a proper closure and that can be done by taking into count the top team on the points table at the end of the league stage and declaring them winners,” Mushtaq said.

    The 49-year-old Mushtaq, who has played 52 tests and 144 ODIs, has also worked as bowling coach of the national team and spin bowling coach of the England team. He was a key figure on the Multan Sultans support staff.

    “If the PCB doesn’t close the PSL 5 and tries to organise the remaining four or five matches including the final later this year or before the PSL 6 it will dent the hype and spoil the momentum of the next edition,” he said.

    He also noted that if the PCB decides to organise the remaining matches later this year or before PSL 6 it will be hard on the teams as it would not be clear which player (s) are available to play at that time.

    “And it is not easy to just regroup for four to five matches and get the momentum going like it was in the PSL five,” he added.

    Mushtaq said Multan deserved to be crowned champions as they finished clear leaders on the points table with 14 points and none of the other franchises who finished in the top four should have any complaints.

    “Believe me I would have said the same thing even if some other franchise had finished at the top of the points table,” he added.

    The PCB was forced to suspend the PSL 5 on the day the semi finals were scheduled in Lahore after a health scare around England’s Alex Hales who after returning home tweeted that he had felt symptoms of the coronavirus.

    Four to five matches of the PSL had to be held before empty stadiums in Karachi and Lahore due to the coronavirus pandemic.

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    Mushtaq meanwhile thanked Tauseef for nominating him as his spin bowling partner and named former off-spinner Saqlain Mushtaq and the leading Pakistan leg-spinner Yasir Shah as his two dream bowling partners.

    Mushtaq Ahmed, who took 185 wickets in 52 Tests, said: “I want to thank Tauseef Ahmed for his complements for me. When I started playing for UBL he was there as a mentor, role model and someone who always supported me.

    “Among former cricketers I would like to name Saqlain Mushtaq as my bowling partner. Although I played a few matches with Abdul Qadir,I chose Saqlain as Qadir and I were similar bowlers while Saqlain being an off-spinner provided variety.

    “Saqlain and I featured in a lot of matches and were part of many victories. Among recent cricketers, I would want to bowl with Yasir Shah. Yasir has sped his way to 200 wickets in Test cricket and has broken many records. It would be an honour for me to bowl with Yasir.”


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    Definitely agree with this

    Fair enough we have lots of fast bowlers but we need spinners too
    None of the likes of asghar or gohar have been picked
    And our leg spinners are pelted whichever tournament they play

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    India’s Ravichandran Ashwin, Australia’s Nathan Lyon and Pakistan’s Yasir Shah are without a doubt one of the best spinners in the world right now but as it astonishing as it may sound, all three of them don’t feature in their respective limited-overs squads. For all their success in red-ball cricket, the likes of Ashwin, Lyon and Shah have somehow been unable to replicate it in ODIs and T20Is. In trying to analyse the reason for the same, former Pakistan leg-spinner Mushtaq Ahmed has said that perhaps it is because of lack of variation on flat tracks.

    Ashwin (365 wickets from 71 games), Lyon (390 wickets in 96 Tests) and Pakistan’s leg-break bowler Yasir Shah (213 wickets in 39 Tests) have won innumerable games for their countries in the longest format only to be found wanting in ODIs and T20s.

    Ashwin last played an ODI for India back in 2017, Lyon’s last ODI was in July 2019 and Shah last turned up in coloured clothing for Pakistan in May last year. Citing Yuzvendra Chahal and Kuldeep Yadav’s example, Mushtaq Ahmed said it boils down to variations.

    “Look at Yuzvendra Chahal and Kuldeep Yadav. They have won so many (white ball) games for India in the last two years. May be the likes of Lyon, Ashwin and Yasir don’t have enough variations to survive in one-day cricket,” Mushtaq, a Pakistan great, told PTI in an exclusive interview.

    Mushtaq, who has coached around the world including a champion England side that had a spinner of the calibre of Graeme Swann in its ranks, feels the categorisation of Test and limited overs spinners is the need of the hour.

    Ashwin, known for his carrom ball as well as “reverse carrom ball” which he recently said that he had used, has not played white ball cricket for India since 2017 West Indies tour and his comeback doesn’t look imminent.

    “In one -day cricket, if the pitches are good and you don’t have variations or a mystery ball, you can’t survive. For example, a champion bowler like Lyon has been exposed in one day cricket. He has not been as successful as he has been in the longest format.”

    Mushtaq said the ever increasing role of power-hitting in the modern one-day game has made mystery spinners more valuable than the conventional ones.

    “You need to have someone who can bowl leg-breaks, googlies, flippers, someone with a different (unorthodox) action. There is so much power hitting in the game, you need spinners with variations.”

    And that is why he endorses different set of spinners for Tests and limited overs cricket. “In ODIs, you can still play one good conventional spinner but in T20s you need mystery spinners as he can get a wicket even with a bad ball as the batsman doesn’t have the time to read him,” said the 49-year-old.

    “Also, the amount of cricket being played, you need to have different spinners for different formats. You zero in on five-six spinners and use them in different formats. That way their career is prolonged also.”

    According to Mushtaq, skill-wise, Lyon and Ashwin are on par with greats like Saqlain Mushtaq and Muttiah Muralitharan but not best suited for the one-day game.

    “We had four fielders inside the circle, there was extra protection in the deep. Now with five fielders inside, if you are consistent with your line and length, you may struggle.

    “Ashwin and Lyon are as good as the spinners of the past. It is just that the limited overs game has overshadowed Test cricket,” Mushtaq said.

    The burly spinner of yesteryears further said that the art of leg-spin is here to stay as it is the best wicket-taking option in limited overs cricket.

    “You will see a lot of leg-spinners in the next 10-15 years. Batsman nowadays are used to playing express pace but they still struggle against leg-spinners.”

    Mushtaq played in the times of Mohammad Azharuddin, Sachin Tendulkar, VVS Laxman, calling them “great players of spin”. Now, Asian teams including India struggle against high-quality spin.

    “Moeen Ali takes a lot of wickets against India and so does Lyon. The sub-continental teams don’t play spin that well anymore.

    “In the last 10-15 years, we have been preparing more for pacers on overseas assignments and that is one reason why the batsmen have not been learning how to play spin.

    “When I used to play against India, I knew that they would get a single off a good ball also. Technically, they were very strong. Their gravity levels, intent, trigger movement, use of crease, how to play on different pitches. It is not the same anymore “And thanks to IPL and PSL, the foreign batsmen have become good players of spin,” reckoned Mushtaq.

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    So no longer coach at the NCA - what lies ahead for Mushtaq - and good decision to let him go?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    So no longer coach at the NCA - what lies ahead for Mushtaq - and good decision to let him go?
    What were his achievements for the NCA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    What were his achievements for the NCA?
    What achievements do you expect? If your asking what spinners he has produced that could play interntaional cricket then that would be a incorrect metric to judge anybodies success or failure

    Any coaching position is more about working with people and putting systems and processes in place that allow players to improve and develop and help them reach their potential which isnt always defined by if they play intnl cricket or not

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    ‘We are preparing players mentally’ spin bowling coach confident for England tour

    Lahore: Pakistan’s newly appointed spin bowling coach Mushtaq Ahmed is confident for men’s team tour of England but also thinks that it will be tough for coaches along with players.

    “We are already preparing players mentally and the series against for England will be tough for players as well as coaches,” the 49-year-old said while speaking to reporters via video conference.

    On his experience, Mushtaq emphasized that he had played cricket in England and was also associated as a coach after his retirement.

    “I played county cricket for in England for 11 years and coached the team for six years. I was working with the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) as the spin bowling consultant at the NCA. I will try my best to train the players in the light of my experience,” he added.

    Mushtaq, on his appointment, said that having four experienced coaches together would be very beneficial for the Pakistan team. “Younis Khan and I will be helping hands for Misbah-ul-Haq and Waqar Younis,” he maintained.

    It must be noted here that the OCB, via a press release, announced the appointments for men’s batting coach and spin bowling coach. The appointment of both the former cricketers is initially for just England’s tour.

    Pakistan team has to tour England a ‘bio-secure’ tour from July to September. The tour includes three Tests and as many T20Is.

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    The cupboard is bare- Yasir is old and past it, the younger spinners haven't kicked on or are enjoying life too much and are not working on their game as in the case of Shadab. Asghar has something but he is trying to copy Imad so that he can become a T20 bowler. Asghar can spin the ball but he needs to look for flight and guile and get away from the medium pace rubbish.

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    Mushtaq has a point and he now has the opportunity to fix it as a coach.

    Pakistan needs a great spinner badly before World Cup 2023.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    The cupboard is bare- Yasir is old and past it, the younger spinners haven't kicked on or are enjoying life too much and are not working on their game as in the case of Shadab. Asghar has something but he is trying to copy Imad so that he can become a T20 bowler. Asghar can spin the ball but he needs to look for flight and guile and get away from the medium pace rubbish.
    White ball cricket has ruined spinners as most just bowl darters and nothing more. Most young spinners struggle with things like flight, dip, etc. Need to encourage more genuine spinners rather than spinners who can 'bat a little'.

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    Spin consultant and mentor of the Pakistan team, Mushtaq Ahmed says more than the skills, the players' mental strength will matter when top-level cricket resumes amidst the COVID-19 pandemic in England.

    Ahmed, who recently joined the national set-up, said the series between England and the West Indies will provide lessons as the game is set to resume with that series, starting July 8.

    "I think we are going to learn a lot from the West Indies and England series and in the Covid-19 conditions. More than the skills, the mental strength of players will matter a lot. In these difficult circumstances the role of mentors have become very important," he said.

    The Pakistan team is likely to reach England around June 25 to start preparations for their Test and T20 series in a bio-secure environment including remaining in a 14-days quarantine and having nets and practice drills and matches in isolated conditions.

    Ahmed also made it clear that the new-look management of the Pakistan team including head coach Misbah-ul-Haq, bowling coach Waqar Younis, batting coach, Younis Khan and he himself were all on the same page and realised the importance of playing in England.

    "Players and coaches will require some time to adjust to the new playing conditions and playing in front of empty stadiums. I think the time we have in England before the series will be spent on preparing the players mentally for these challenges."

    "For cricket activities to start in Covid-19 conditions is a tough ask of the players."

    Mushtaq who has worked as spin consultant with teams like England and the West Indies said if the upcoming two series in England go off well then world cricket can slowly get back to normalcy within this year.

    "That is why these two series are so important. We have to see how players, especially bowlers, adjust to the new rules like not using spit to shine the ball. We have to see how this will affect performance of the bowlers," he said.

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    It is perhaps not appreciated enough but between 1995 and 1998, Mushtaq Ahmed was Pakistan’s greatest match-winner in Test match cricket. In those golden years, starting from that series in 1995 in Australia where he took 18 wickets in just two Tests to the Durban Test in 1998, which was the site of his last great performance for Pakistan, he left batsmen frequently bewildered. All his 5 wicket hauls in the long form came in this period. His decline after 1998 was abrupt. Maybe he lost his way in life. Happily it did not end there. Having found meaning in religion he became the main agent in the greatest era for Sussex. He became "statistically, romantically and emotionally the best player to ever pull on a Sussex shirt" according to then Captain, Chris Adams. Adams continued:

    "In view of the impact he's made, it's difficult to think of another cricketer who has achieved or done more for one county. His legacy extends beyond the playing arena, as I'm sure all that have been graced with his presence will agree. He is simply a great man."

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    I remember coming home from school one day and Mushy sat in our living room chatting with my dad whilst reading through a few of my Cricketer (Pakistan) magazines.

    At that time he was playing local league cricket as a substitute professional for a local club in the NYSD league.

    Great character.



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    Quote Originally Posted by KB View Post
    It is perhaps not appreciated enough but between 1995 and 1998, Mushtaq Ahmed was Pakistan’s greatest match-winner in Test match cricket. In those golden years, starting from that series in 1995 in Australia where he took 18 wickets in just two Tests to the Durban Test in 1998, which was the site of his last great performance for Pakistan, he left batsmen frequently bewildered. All his 5 wicket hauls in the long form came in this period. His decline after 1998 was abrupt. Maybe he lost his way in life. Happily it did not end there. Having found meaning in religion he became the main agent in the greatest era for Sussex. He became "statistically, romantically and emotionally the best player to ever pull on a Sussex shirt" according to then Captain, Chris Adams. Adams continued:

    "In view of the impact he's made, it's difficult to think of another cricketer who has achieved or done more for one county. His legacy extends beyond the playing arena, as I'm sure all that have been graced with his presence will agree. He is simply a great man."
    Mushy had an amazing googly but he became only a googly bowler and that worked well in County game but not for PK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    The cupboard is bare- Yasir is old and past it, the younger spinners haven't kicked on or are enjoying life too much and are not working on their game as in the case of Shadab. Asghar has something but he is trying to copy Imad so that he can become a T20 bowler. Asghar can spin the ball but he needs to look for flight and guile and get away from the medium pace rubbish.
    They need to invest time and effort in Zafar. he's easily the most talented of the lot and turned the ball more than anybody else in the PSL.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    They need to invest time and effort in Zafar. he's easily the most talented of the lot and turned the ball more than anybody else in the PSL.
    Has gone backwards in the last 3 years. He still young but I don't see him developing. Asghar has the most potential but the problem is that all these guys are trying to imitate Imad by bowling medium pace rubbish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Has gone backwards in the last 3 years. He still young but I don't see him developing. Asghar has the most potential but the problem is that all these guys are trying to imitate Imad by bowling medium pace rubbish.
    I think Zafar gives it a bigger rip than anyone else and flights the ball well. Playing with the national team will help his learning trajectory . Don't think he will improve much in pakistan domestic now. They have to take a chance with him .

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    Usama Mir is one.

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    Golden chance for Mushy to spend some quality time with Yasir Shah as they isolate in Worcs.

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    Hopefully Mushy will spend some time with Shadab as well and maybe other spinners in the team.

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    Mushy is a great addition to the team management. Expect to see Yasir and Shadab do better.
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    Good to see Mushtaq talking and helping Yasir but will it help him?



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    Wasim Akram on tv "Mushy is a great character, but he shouldn't be giving advice every 2 minutes or at the drop of a hat."



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    51 years old today - Happy Birthday to Mushtaq Ahmed


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