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    'India may not be as effective as Neil Wagner in bowling bouncers' : Matthew Wade

    India’s formidable pace attack may not be as effective as New Zealand fast bowler Neil Wagner in bowling bouncers during its tour of Australia, according to wicketkeeper Matthew Wade.

    Wagner bowled a barrage of bouncers and dismissed Australia’s three leading batsmen — Steve Smith, David Warner and Marnus Labuschagne — a combined 10 times in a Test series between Australia and New Zealand last season.

    India is now preparing for a four-Test tour of Australia this summer. “Teams may try it but I don’t think it will be as successful,” Wade told cricket.com.au.

    “I don’t think anyone in the game has bowled bouncers the way he bowled and been so consistent, and not gotten scored off while also picking up wickets. I think we’ll see it a bit (from India) but I don’t think it will be as effective as Wagner. He’s done it for a long time now to be honest I’ve never faced a bowler who is so accurate at bowling bouncers.”

    ‘Hard work’

    Wade said the series against Virat Kohli’s men will be one of the toughest challenges for Tim Paine’s side since it got together as a group. “Everyone, although they might not admit it, is looking towards that Indian series. It’s going to be hard work. They (India) are a fierce team. They’re as hard a team as I’ve ever played in terms of the way they compete.

    “Led by Virat, you can see the way he goes about it on the field, you can see what it means to him and he drives all those guys, they jump on the back of him. It’s going to be as big a challenge as this team has faced for the 12 months we’ve been together.”

    Though it achieved its maiden Test series win Down Under in 2018-19, India will be facing a sterner challenge when it returns to face an Australian side bolstered by the presence of Smith and Warner alongside an in-form Labuschagne.

    Australia has since 2018-19 won the Ashes after a drawn series in England and crushed New Zealand 3-0 at home earlier this year. During India’s tour of Australia, both Warner and Smith were serving their one-year ban for ball-tampering.

    https://sportstar.thehindu.com/crick...le32237123.ece


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    True
    None can match with Neil Wagner sharp bouncers

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    Yup.

    Neil Wagner is arguably the best bowler with old bowl alongside Shami and I recall Rahane batted like a joke against him in second test second inning.

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    Not only he has horse like stamina but uses crease and left arm angle to blindside batters also. Wagner is one of a kind.

    India will have to find different methods of working out Aus batters. They have 2 good bowlers in Ishant and Jadeja who can bowl long dry spells and let Shami/Bumrah attack in bursts with late swing and awkward bounce

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    Wagner would be trash in non bouncy wickets though but he is a useful workhorse type bowler. He is quality in seaming bouncy conditons.

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    i agree. I think only bumrah can match him. Bumrah is exceptional on bouncy wickets. Shami 2.0 too.

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    Just a simple stat. There has been 6 concussion subs in cricket so far. 4 were against Indians bowlers.

    3 Indian bowlers, shami, yadav and bumrah, all have forced concussion substitutes

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    India won 2-1 last time. NZ didn't

    India already has the formula to beat Australia in Australia and Shoaib Akhtar has emphasized time and again the bouncer is a strategic weapon to scare batsmen, it's not a wicket taking mantra. To take wickets you pitch the ball up and that's what Indian bowlers are very capable at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    Just a simple stat. There has been 6 concussion subs in cricket so far. 4 were against Indians bowlers.

    3 Indian bowlers, shami, yadav and bumrah, all have forced concussion substitutes
    3 of these were on indian pitches. Shami has done it twice.

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    Wagner is the best in bowling bouncers.
    Amongst indians shami has the best bouncer.
    But,this is the least of concerns,indian bowlers know which length to bowl in Australia,other bowlers usually get carried away when they play on those bouncy pitches and it usually backfires.
    An occasional bouncer is more than enough.

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    Wagner is a bouncer specialist. He doesn't have much with out it. So yes he probably has the best continuous bouncer bowling ability.

    But Shami and Bumrah both have good bouncers plus they have other skills.

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    After watching the video I think this comment was meant for everybody in the game period ( His comment being no one in the past or present is as consistent as NW is with his bouncer game)

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    India will go with this XI:-

    Rohit Sharma
    Mayank Agarwal
    Cheteshwar Pujara
    Virat Kohli (c)
    Ajinkya Rahane
    Hardik Pandya
    Ravichandran Ashwin/Ravindra Jadeja
    Wridhimann Saha(wkt)
    Ishant Sharma
    Mohammad Shami
    Jasprit Bumrah

    For pink ball test, Bhuvi in. In Sydney, both Ash and Jaddu should play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    India will go with this XI:-

    Rohit Sharma
    Mayank Agarwal
    Cheteshwar Pujara
    Virat Kohli (c)
    Ajinkya Rahane
    Hardik Pandya
    Ravichandran Ashwin/Ravindra Jadeja
    Wridhimann Saha(wkt)
    Ishant Sharma
    Mohammad Shami
    Jasprit Bumrah

    For pink ball test, Bhuvi in. In Sydney, both Ash and Jaddu should play.
    Perfect team.
    I will pick Rishab Pant over Saha, he had a great series last time.

    what about Hanuma Vihari?

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    The bowling reputation of the Indians can be summed up by the moments when you hear "India ki bowling" followed by uncontrollable outbursts of laughing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King_Kohli View Post
    Perfect team.
    I will pick Rishab Pant over Saha, he had a great series last time.

    what about Hanuma Vihari?
    I will give Rishabh Pant more time before playing him as starting wicket-keeper choice.

    In a span of three months between Dec 20- Mar 21, India will play 9 tests. 4 away vs Aus and 5 home vs England. Both the keepers should have the clarity if they are playing all or not. We do not want a situation where Pant plays a couple of matches in Australia and then we drop him and pick Saha or even drop Pant after the series and pick Saha in India.

    Saha will no longer be in our frame of things in a year time as he will be in late 30s and start losing his reflexes. So, let's give him 9 tests complete and let Pant improve his game further before taking the gloves. Ofcourse, a lot will depend on how are they performing and their fitness level before the start of series.

    Vihari is there in consideration as well but his bowling will be negligible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    The bowling reputation of the Indians can be summed up by the moments when you hear "India ki bowling" followed by uncontrollable outbursts of laughing.
    In your dreams perhaps because in the actual matches there is nothing but gushing praises. The saddest thing in life is often adult men stuck in the past, not realizing the world has moved on. What they have in their mind vs what's happening outside, when there is a disconnect, that's when someone is truly old


    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. --Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    The bowling reputation of the Indians can be summed up by the moments when you hear "India ki bowling" followed by uncontrollable outbursts of laughing.
    Its much bettee than pakistan right now. But pakistanis like you live in the past and hence you guys get mocked.

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    Wagner is a pretty nasty bowler. I remember he was giving a lot of problems to Smith and Warner.

    I think Wade has a point here.


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    Mayank agarwal
    sharma or Shaw
    puji
    kohli
    vihari
    rahane
    pant
    jaddu bhai
    shami
    ishant
    boomer


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    LOL India and fast bowling don't go hand to hand and Indians can never bowl bouncers. They are length and line type of trundlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    In your dreams perhaps because in the actual matches there is nothing but gushing praises. The saddest thing in life is often adult men stuck in the past, not realizing the world has moved on. What they have in their mind vs what's happening outside, when there is a disconnect, that's when someone is truly old
    Don't need to dream about it when Wade has effectively said it himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Its much bettee than pakistan right now. But pakistanis like you live in the past and hence you guys get mocked.
    Lol when did I say Pakistan's bowling was superior to the one India have?

    Secondly, no one made you the spokesperson of BCCI.

    Time and time again, you lot make a fool of yourselves,
    Last edited by The Viper; 2nd August 2020 at 23:29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Wagner is a bouncer specialist. He doesn't have much with out it. So yes he probably has the best continuous bouncer bowling ability.

    But Shami and Bumrah both have good bouncers plus they have other skills.
    I believe Archer has taken his crown as the true Bouncer Specialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    Wagner would be trash in non bouncy wickets though but he is a useful workhorse type bowler. He is quality in seaming bouncy conditons.
    New Zealand wickets are incredibly flat though and he has succeeded there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum363 View Post
    I believe Archer has taken his crown as the true Bouncer Specialist.
    Archer bowls a better bouncer but he can’t keep them up for overs at a time

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    Quote Originally Posted by therealAB View Post
    Archer bowls a better bouncer but he can’t keep them up for overs at a time
    I believe the term Bouncer Specialist means a bowler who can bowl an amazing bouncer but not much else. That’s why it was used for Wagner and similarly why I believe it suits Archer right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therealAB View Post
    New Zealand wickets are incredibly flat though and he has succeeded there
    New zeland have sporting wickets. So no. he will get slaughtered in india.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invincible Gujjar View Post
    LOL India and fast bowling don't go hand to hand and Indians can never bowl bouncers. They are length and line type of trundlers.
    4 concussion subs out of 6 against Indian bowlers. Keep lying and crying, its hilarious and entertaining

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Don't need to dream about it when Wade has effectively said it himself.
    Yep 100s of commentators and players going gaga over Indian pacers doesn't count but one player playing mind games before a series is the truth


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