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    "Taking a knee or raising a fist canít be that hard" : Fazeer Mohammed

    In his latest blog for PakPassion.net, Fazeer Mohammed expresses his disappointment at Pakistani cricketers lack of support for BLM during their tour of England and argues that the movement has a universal appeal, and should have had more support from cricketers of all nationalities.


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    There were two particularly disappointing elements to Pakistan’s tour of England.

    Firstly, it remains bewildering how Azhar Ali’s team let a considerable advantage slip and surrendered the first Test in Manchester. Many personalities in Pakistan cricket and indeed several on this very website, all with far greater experience and knowledge on the game than I, would have already offered their own informed perspectives on what transpired. So, there’s nothing for me to add there.

    Secondly though, and much more significantly in the context of wider social issues, it is more than a little distressing to note that the Pakistan team chose not to engage in any sort of recognition of the “Black Lives Matter” (BLM) movement coming so closely on the heels of the West Indies three-Test campaign where both the visitors and hosts ensured that issues of prejudice and discrimination on the basis of skin colour were highlighted before each day’s play in the three Tests.

    You may argue that BLM has nothing to do with the men in green. But it does, in the same way that it should be an issue for every single national team that takes the field under the banner of the International Cricket Council and even the many franchise T20 and T10 events which are played all over the world.

    By discontinuing the practice of taking a knee along with the opposing players within days of Jason Holder’s squad leaving the United Kingdom, the impression was created that the England players were merely engaged in tokenism and that highlighting the injustices faced by persons of African descent, and by extension all persons of colour in most white-dominated parts of the world, only mattered when they were playing against a team of predominantly black players.

    No-one can pretend to be unaware of the challenges faced by Asian communities in the UK.
    Revelations by Pakistan-born Azeem Rafiq of his depression and contemplation of suicide while at Yorkshire have triggered an array of reactions by others who were victims of similar discrimination in England’s cricketing and social landscape, not just Yorkshire.

    And it is important for us all to understand that while the BLM movement has been triggered by continuous police killings of black civilians in the United States, with the especially horrific experience of George Floyd in Minneapolis last May being the catalyst for unprecedented global outrage and protest action, the broader issue is the insults and other forms of humiliation which non-white people have had to endure.

    Because persons of African descent have suffered most for centuries and remain at the lowest rung of the social scale, identifying with BLM means recognising that the systemic discrimination of black people, and by extension all persons of colour, including Pakistanis, Indians, Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis, Afghans, Nepalis, etc cannot be allowed to continue.

    If BLM is only an issue to black people, then it means for everyone else it doesn’t matter. Given the racist and class-conscious foundations of cricket, it is imperative that all who play the game – black, brown, white and every shade in between – stand up and be counted in playing a part in ensuring that this poisonous system of historic injustice is gradually eliminated from our different societies.

    As former West Indies fast bowler and forthright commentator Michael Holding stated in his impassioned advocacy on the morning of the first Test between England and the West Indies at Southampton, racism is something so steeped into the culture of the world that it will take years, decades, maybe even generations to see what can be described as a level playing field, not just in cricket, not just in sport, but in wider society.

    But that gradual erosion of such ingrained mindsets can only begin if some form of recognition of racial injustice – whether it be taking a knee or raising a fist or some other noticeable activity – becomes standard practice at all sporting events, including cricket. Even if players do so unwillingly (which I will never be able to understand) it will be a gesture that makes a repeated statement to the extent that it becomes as normal as the national anthem or a team huddle before going onto the field of play.

    I cannot believe that the majority of cricketers and people of Pakistan don’t care about racial prejudice. Sometimes we are so caught up with our own daily routines that we may see a movement in another part of the world triggered by injustices against people who don’t look like us as being none of our business. That’s the power of racism in creating that “us and them” mentality.

    There is no place on earth where some group of people are not discriminated against for the colour of their skin. And if we really believe in equality and that persons should only be judged by the content of their character rather than who is more brown or beige than others, all cricketers everywhere should have no qualms identifying with BLM.

    International sport offers a powerful platform to make such statements and it will be to the discredit of Pakistan’s cricketers and the game’s administration there if they fail to be part of the change which is so necessary to make the world a better place, not just for comparatively trivial games of bat and ball, but for the societies in which our families, our children and grandchildren will have to exist.

    Taking a knee or raising a fist can’t be that hard.
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    No thanks. I'd like for politics and the game to be separate.

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    Good to see Fazeer (as someone of Asian origin) back the cause.

    The same people who are against the BLM movement are the same people who were outraged at the punishment that was handed out to Sarfraz for his racist language towards Andile Phehlukwayo.

    Desis have no shame.

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    Waiting on the desi experts to enlighten us all about how these gestures are just "virtue signaling" and have no impact on the cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Good to see Fazeer (as someone of Asian origin) back the cause.

    The same people who are against the BLM movement are the same people who were outraged at the punishment that was handed out to Sarfraz for his racist language towards Andile Phehlukwayo.

    Desis have no shame.
    What sarfraz said was pathetic ans should have been banned for few more matches. That doesn't mean i agree with this. Will these same people do it foe kashmir, Palestine, ughur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake View Post
    Waiting on the desi experts to enlighten us all about how these gestures are just "virtue signaling" and have no impact on the cause.
    Think he addressed that issue really well in his blog.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    What sarfraz said was pathetic ans should have been banned for few more matches. That doesn't mean i agree with this. Will these same people do it foe kashmir, Palestine, ughur.
    Ygm it should be all lives matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Think he addressed that issue really well in his blog.
    Agreed. Most Pakistanis are either in denial that racism exists or have just accepted it as part of life and aren't willing to do anything about it, both equally sad perspectives.

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    Racism is deep in our culture sadly, often hear my parents referring to blacks like Sarfaraz.


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    I'm all for BLM but we need to stop forcing people to care about stuff that happens in America, most people in America have no idea about the atrocities in the rest of world. How many African-American activist have stood up for human rights causes in other parts of the world or even in mother Africa? I don't expect them too and they don't have too, people have a right to pick and choose what they can be outraged over and people usually pick what affects them the most or what they feel closest too. I think BLM is guilty of believing in American exceptionalism - that all things American are important to the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giannis View Post
    I'm all for BLM but we need to stop forcing people to care about stuff that happens in America, most people in America have no idea about the atrocities in the rest of world. How many African-American activist have stood up for human rights causes in other parts of the world or even in mother Africa? I don't expect them too and they don't have too, people have a right to pick and choose what they can be outraged over and people usually pick what affects them the most or what they feel closest too. I think BLM is guilty of believing in American exceptionalism - that all things American are important to the world.
    Oh yeah? Then why do we expect the rest of the world to care about Kashmiris?

    Seedhi si baat hai. If you think other people should do something, you should do it yourself too.

    The issue is actually opposite to what you described. To combat American exceptionalism, you must convince Americans to care about global issues, NOT convince the globe to stop caring about American issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Good to see Fazeer (as someone of Asian origin) back the cause.

    The same people who are against the BLM movement are the same people who were outraged at the punishment that was handed out to Sarfraz for his racist language towards Andile Phehlukwayo.

    Desis have no shame.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake View Post
    Waiting on the desi experts to enlighten us all about how these gestures are just "virtue signaling" and have no impact on the cause.
    Once again, the BLM movement has no relevance to Pakistan. As a result, there is no point in forcing it down our throats.

    Pakistan has no history of African slavery and we have nothing do with the discrimination African-Americans faced or still face. So yes, Pakistani cricketers partaking in this movement would be nothing but mere virtue signaling.

    What is the point of taking a knee and raising a fist when you don’t relate to a movement and don’t feel anything about it? What purpose would it serve?

    Sarfraz’s comments or Zalmi fans making black jokes about Sammy or Pakistani media calling West Indies cricket team ‘kaali andhi’ back in the 80s has nothing to do with the BLM movement and what it is trying to achieve. It is a completely different.

    However, I am glad that Fazeer has found something else to moan about other than the dominance of the big 3 boards.

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    Fazeer explained exactly why its relevant to Pakistan and others.

    Always good to read OP before commenting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Fazeer explained exactly why its relevant to Pakistan and others.

    Always good to read OP before commenting.
    I did, and he is talking nonsense which he does quite often in his blogs. He has made a weak and rather forceful connection between BLM and racism/discrimination in general.

    BLM is a very particular, focused movement and should not be generalized. If you don’t have a history of African slavery then you should not be faulted for failing to relate to the movement.

    Pakistani players taking knees or raising fists would mean absolutely nothing.

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    If BLM is only an issue to black people, then it means for everyone else it doesn’t matter. Given the racist and class-conscious foundations of cricket, it is imperative that all who play the game – black, brown, white and every shade in between – stand up and be counted in playing a part in ensuring that this poisonous system of historic injustice is gradually eliminated from our different societies.
    What a laughable assessment.

    Firstly, he needs to explain what he means by “racist and class-conscious foundations of cricket”. Yes, cricket started out as an elitist sport, but what does that have to do with BLM? Has cricket promoted and encouraged racism against blacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Once again, the BLM movement has no relevance to Pakistan. As a result, there is no point in forcing it down our throats.

    Pakistan has no history of African slavery and we have nothing do with the discrimination African-Americans faced or still face. So yes, Pakistani cricketers partaking in this movement would be nothing but mere virtue signaling.

    What is the point of taking a knee and raising a fist when you donít relate to a movement and donít feel anything about it? What purpose would it serve?

    Sarfrazís comments or Zalmi fans making black jokes about Sammy or Pakistani media calling West Indies cricket team Ďkaali andhií back in the 80s has nothing to do with the BLM movement and what it is trying to achieve. It is a completely different.

    However, I am glad that Fazeer has found something else to moan about other than the dominance of the big 3 boards.
    Right, so raising awareness on racism is "forcing it down our throats"?

    The main objective of the BLM movement is to promote equality for blacks, not just in America but around the world. It is relevant to everyone, especially in Pakistan because as you have mentioned Pakistanis (and desis in generals) have racist tendencies towards black people.

    I commend you for raising awareness on the plight of minorities in Pakistan on Timepass but your dislike for the BLM movement is evident by your constant rhetoric of "virtue signalling", "shoved down our throats" and "milked" etc. No wonder why you strongly despise hip-hop music because you simply can't relate to the struggles that have been mentioned in the lyrics from these talented rappers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    What sarfraz said was pathetic ans should have been banned for few more matches. That doesn't mean i agree with this. Will these same people do it foe kashmir, Palestine, ughur.
    I see where you are coming from and you feel the BLM is overshadowing all the other problems that are happening around the world. What's happening in Kashmir, Palestine, Xinjiang, Burma, Yemen and etc makes me sad but that shouldn't prevent us from supporting equality for blacks.

    The injustice that blacks have faced has been going on for hundreds of years and it's time for it to end.

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    You can't force people to take the knee. Stopping racism isn't about taking the knee. It needs to be dealt with by governments from a younger age group and educating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Once again, the BLM movement has no relevance to Pakistan. As a result, there is no point in forcing it down our throats.

    Pakistan has no history of African slavery and we have nothing do with the discrimination African-Americans faced or still face. So yes, Pakistani cricketers partaking in this movement would be nothing but mere virtue signaling.

    What is the point of taking a knee and raising a fist when you donít relate to a movement and donít feel anything about it? What purpose would it serve?

    Sarfrazís comments or Zalmi fans making black jokes about Sammy or Pakistani media calling West Indies cricket team Ďkaali andhií back in the 80s has nothing to do with the BLM movement and what it is trying to achieve. It is a completely different.

    However, I am glad that Fazeer has found something else to moan about other than the dominance of the big 3 boards.
    I guess you just completely missed the point of showing solidarity behind a movement that actually affects the whole world and not just US. Racism against people from African descent exist all across the world and not just in US.

    This whole exercise of kneeling and raising a fist is to show that you realize what is going on in this world and how people from African descent are treated is not right and something needs to change. This is especially important for people in power to do because they have a much broader outreach and they have the power to raise awareness about issues that exist in our society. Athletes, show business personalities, and big business, when all them start to take a stand against the injustice going on against a select group of people based on their race, then everyone is going to take notice.

    Saying that Pakistanis shouldn't care about this movement because we didnt commit any racism against people of African descent(which I completely disagree with because we have a very small Ethiopian populations in Pakistan (makranis) and they are treated very badly and called different names) is same as west or rest of the world ignoring what is happening in Palestine and Kashmir because they didn't do anything wrong. We expect people around the world to stand up against what is wrong, then we shouldn't hesitate to stand up for others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Once again, the BLM movement has no relevance to Pakistan. As a result, there is no point in forcing it down our throats.

    Pakistan has no history of African slavery and we have nothing do with the discrimination African-Americans faced or still face. So yes, Pakistani cricketers partaking in this movement would be nothing but mere virtue signaling.

    What is the point of taking a knee and raising a fist when you don’t relate to a movement and don’t feel anything about it? What purpose would it serve?

    Sarfraz’s comments or Zalmi fans making black jokes about Sammy or Pakistani media calling West Indies cricket team ‘kaali andhi’ back in the 80s has nothing to do with the BLM movement and what it is trying to achieve. It is a completely different.

    However, I am glad that Fazeer has found something else to moan about other than the dominance of the big 3 boards.
    I actually agree with Mamoon on this topic, asians face systematic racism in their own right, BLM is a profit making organisation run by white people, so whilst the message is very relevant, and we need to do more to get rid of racism, we need to be careful not to fall into any marketing schemes. I think cricket should take a leaf out of the premier leagues book , they replaced the BLM slogan with "no room for racism", slogan which im sure we can all get behind. More education is needed rather than focusing and arguing to much about cosmetic hollow shows of support.


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    The whole point is that we need to pay attention to plight of others. The discrimination against blacks is well known and is being addressed here.

    I am fine with supporting all issues - I will never put down one to elevate another and that is also what Fazeer is saying.

    A few insensitive souls doing what they do best.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zafarsyed View Post
    I guess you just completely missed the point of showing solidarity behind a movement that actually affects the whole world and not just US. Racism against people from African descent exist all across the world and not just in US.
    Not in India and Pakistan. 99.99% of folks in these countries would barely meet a single African in their entire lives.

    The George Floyd thing is overblown. If Indian and Pakistanis want to take a knee, let them do so to protest against rapes in India, or honour killings in Pakistan or any other societal issue there may be.

    George Floyd and Brianna Taylor can be somebody else's problem. And if that Michael Holding decides to throw a whinge, let him.


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    I was surprised that the Pakistan team didn't take the knee in any of the matches they played against England and at the same time, England all of a sudden seemed to forget about Black Lives Matter when facing Pakistan and not West Indies.



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    BLM is rubbish. It should be all lives matter and racism of all types must end.

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    West Indies skipper Jason Holder was "disappointed" sides did not "show their solidarity" with the Black Lives Matter movement and take the knee during England's games against Pakistan and Australia this summer.

    England and West Indies adopted the anti-racism stance before each of their three Test matches in July as part of the worldwide protests following the death of George Floyd in Minnesota.

    England and Ireland also took the knee in their ODI series but that position was shelved when the home side welcomed Pakistan and Australia later in the year, a decision that was criticised by Sky Sports pundit and former West Indies fast bowler Michael Holding.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board issued a statement after Holding's comments, saying: "Our response to the Black Lives Matter debate has been to view the issue alongside the whole inclusion and diversity space, to ensure that long-term and sustainable change happens for all communities who are not treated equally. We remain committed to this philosophy."

    Speaking after he and his West Indies team-mates were given the Cricket Writers' Club's Peter Smith Award for becoming the first international team to tour amid the coronavirus pandemic, Holder said: "I personally was a bit disappointed to see how the Pakistan and Australia tours went on after ours. That they were not showing their solidarity afterwards.

    "It's a hard challenge and a long hard road. It's not an overnight fix but the most important thing is we come together and see each other as equal human beings."

    Australia head coach Justin Langer said his team should have given greater consideration to taking the knee in their white-ball fixtures with England following Holding's criticism of both sides.

    Holder said: "I was following a bit of what Mikey Holding was saying. It's difficult to get people to see the importance of it and that's where the education has to continue to filter through.

    "There are inequalities out there, some are very much in our faces and some are done discreetly but they are out there."

    Holder is currently part of the Sunrisers Hyderabad squad in the Indian Premier League and says the Black Lives Matter movement has not been mentioned.

    The all-rounder said: "To be honest, I haven't had one conversation up here around it. Sometimes it seems as though it's gone unnoticed, which is a sad thing.

    "I guess it's for us to re-highlight the importance of it and for people to understand what is happening in the world."

    England Women and West Indies Women did take the knee during their five-match T20 international series in Derby in September.

    Holder added: "Cricket West Indies has done an excellent job in continuing awareness. The women had a series in England where they wore the Black Lives Matter logo and continued to push the movement as well."

    https://www.skysports.com/cricket/ne...aking-the-knee
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Once again, the BLM movement has no relevance to Pakistan. As a result, there is no point in forcing it down our throats.

    Pakistan has no history of African slavery and we have nothing do with the discrimination African-Americans faced or still face. So yes, Pakistani cricketers partaking in this movement would be nothing but mere virtue signaling.

    What is the point of taking a knee and raising a fist when you donít relate to a movement and donít feel anything about it? What purpose would it serve?

    Sarfrazís comments or Zalmi fans making black jokes about Sammy or Pakistani media calling West Indies cricket team Ďkaali andhií back in the 80s has nothing to do with the BLM movement and what it is trying to achieve. It is a completely different.

    However, I am glad that Fazeer has found something else to moan about other than the dominance of the big 3 boards.
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