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    BTB : Time for fans to accept Pakistanís bowling reputation is based on past glories

    A hard-hitting Beyond the Boundary piece from @Markhor about Pakistan's dismal showing in the recently concluded Test series against New Zealand




    Pakistan plunged new lows with an innings defeat in Christchurch at the hands of New Zealand, marking 15 straight Test defeats in the Southern Hemisphere. The visitors were woeful in all departments barring a few gutsy but futile individual displays.

    Having conceding 659-6 in Christchurch, and failing to take 20 wickets in either Test in New Zealand, a country conjuring up images of green pitches and assistance for seam and swing, questions must be asked of the bowlers. The numbers are stark. The bowlers collectively averaged 60.47 runs per wicket, the worst by any Pakistan attack in New Zealand.



    This tour is not an aberration. Over a year ago in Australia, Pakistan produced the worst bowling effort in its Test history leaking 89.92 runs per wicket. Excluding the rain-interrupted 2nd Test vs England last summer, Pakistan failed to bowl the opposition out 6 times in 13 innings under head coach Misbah-ul-Haq and bowling coach Waqar Younis who preside over the second worst Test attack since their appointments.



    For a country that romanticises its fast bowling history, these are shocking numbers. Many excuses are made from the batsmen not providing enough runs to work with to shoddy fielding.

    It’s true Pakistan’s top four were extremely disappointing. Shan Masood had a tour to forget while Abid Ali seemed unable to convert starts into longer stays at the crease. Azhar Ali failed in the First Test though produced an excellent 93 in the 2nd Test. Haris Sohail’s poor footwork and judgment outside offstump meant his struggles continued and frankly with a history of fitness issues seems likeliest to make way for the returning Babar Azam who Pakistan sorely missed. Fawad Alam’s valiant hundred in Mount Maunganui was the only knock of note from the left-hander. Only the lower order of Mohammad Rizwan, Faheem Ashraf and Zafar Gohar produced consistent displays.

    Most teams have struggled post-lockdown with fielding but Pakistan were not a team of Jonty Rhodes even before the COVID-19 pandemic and past attacks were still able to take 20 wickets despite slipshod fielders.

    To address the problem one must accept the reality. Pakistan have not produced a fast bowler who has reached 200 Test wickets since Waqar Younis. So many names have come and gone due to injury, controversies or faded away after initial promise. Currently, there isn’t a single world-class bowler.

    Shaheen Afridi is the brightest prospect and developing into a top white ball bowler, but having played more Tests than domestic FC matches, expecting him to spearhead the attack in Australia, England and New Zealand is unfair. Mohammad Abbas is the most experienced campaigner but also has limitations to his effectiveness. While possessing terrific accuracy, he has seen a drop in pace to the 120-125kph mark since a shoulder injury two years ago which’s alarming for someone never quick to begin with. Most Test batsmen can easily adjust to such pace, and averaging over 100 to batsmen standing outside their crease, he was neutralised by New Zealand. All-rounder Faheem Ashraf is a fourth seamer at best while spinners Yasir Shah and Zafar Gohar were unlikely to do much on green wickets.

    Naseem Shah, for all the hype generated before his debut, was completely out of sorts. A changed runup, a drop in pace and looking badly short of match practice, with figures of 4 wickets at 73 apiece at 4.5 RPO, means further debate will be generated as to why such a raw youngster was fast-tracked into Test cricket. Without genuine pace and limited skillset to fall back on – such a drubbing was inevitable. The only solution is for Naseem to return to domestic cricket where he can learn the art of setting up batsmen and improve his control.

    The PCB now face difficult questions. Do they cut their losses with Misbah-ul-Haq or allow him to continue until the T20 World Cup ? No matter the decision, it’s time Pakistan understand the old maxim – you cannot win Test matches without 20 wickets. This attack is not up to it.
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    In researching for this article I was shocked to find under Misbah/Waqar's tenure, our Test bowling average is the second worst after Zimbabwe.

    That's despite five Tests in countries like England and New Zealand where there's assistance for seam and swing bowling.

    We don't look like taking 20 wickets anywhere against any opposition bar Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

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    Excellent analysis from a fantastic poster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    In researching for this article I was shocked to find under Misbah/Waqar's tenure, our Test bowling average is the second worst after Zimbabwe.

    That's despite five Tests in countries like England and New Zealand where there's assistance for seam and swing bowling.

    We don't look like taking 20 wickets anywhere against any opposition bar Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.
    How the heck is our bowling average worse than Bangladesh and Sri Lanka?

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    It's an eye opener. Great thread.

    It just shows how poor our bowlers have been collectively. No teamwork from the bowling front, and on top of that, so many dropped catches.

    No support for the bowlers either.

    It's time for a really big change, one which was long awaited.

    You need to revamp the bowling attack. Naseem out, Hasan in. Abbas out, Mir Hamza/Ehsan Adil in. Shaheen can stay because he's looked threatening to say the least, and created the most opportunities that went begging.

    People might say that we can't go "change-happy". Look at the record, conceding 60 runs per wicket is abyssmal in test cricket. We need to wake up.

    How many more innings losses do we suffer before the ******* of Naseem realize that he is no good? How many more times will we see Abbas bowl "accurately" and have no wickets?

    It might be harsh to drop Abbas, but if Rizwan doesn't start coming up to the stumps, Abbas's international career will slowly come to an end.

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    Pakistan fans have to move on from Wasim and Waqar. It was a long time ago, and there has been a flood of mediocrity since.

    Imagine India hyping up its batting stocks if the last good batsman they produced was Azharuddin.


    Have some Sehwag in your life.

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    Also we tend to forget the Ball used to reverse ďmilesĒ in Nzl and Eng back in the day for Pakistani bowlers. It felt like teams could collapse even if they had 9 wickets in hand and 10-20 runs to score when the ball would start behaving like it has a mind of its own suddenly.

    I remember seeing a Pakistan win vs Eng or Nzl in such circumstances too back in the day.

    Anyways regardless of that Pak team was way better than Eng and Nzl in the late 80ís
    to late 90ís,

    Very good analysis by the poster, great job.

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    I am shocked at the fact our bowlers were unable to do anything with the old ball, no reverse swing at all. This is something which was the bowling coach WY Forte, he has a lot to answer for on this front along with many other things

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    Last recognised bowlers we had were Umar Gul, M Sami, Shabbir Ahmed, Asif, Amir and thats about it.

    Junaid his career was destroyed by Misbah and somehow Sarfraz as he was not strong enough to fight for his players.

    All it takes is common sense that, if you want to take experience batsmen in overseas conditions then how can Misbah be so dumb that he went with Inexperience pace attack.

    You have junaid khan, wahab riaz, ehsan adil, rahat ali.

    What Misbah do, takes teenagers and 1 trundler whose bowl doesnít even reach the keeper. I feel sorry for Shaheen, i hope he doesnít get injured for a long time, the way this management has used him.

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    Another great analysis from a top poster.

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    Pakistan won't be as bad as avg of 45 if not for having a lack of experience. It makes a huge difference.

    Having said, that 2 Ws era is long gone. It's been 20-25 years now. No one harps about WI attack being great based on their performance 20-40 years back. WI/Pakistan can still have good pacers but no need to keep going back to a few decades.

    I do think that avg of 45 is inflated, but it's not going to be avg of the lower 20s as well. It will settle in somewhere middle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    In researching for this article I was shocked to find under Misbah/Waqar's tenure, our Test bowling average is the second worst after Zimbabwe.

    That's despite five Tests in countries like England and New Zealand where there's assistance for seam and swing bowling.

    We don't look like taking 20 wickets anywhere against any opposition bar Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.
    Thatís a tremendous effort from you man - must appreciate. I knew situation was alarming, but never thought this desperate. It makes even worse considering PAK bowlers did mend some numbers with three Tests at home against BD & SRL.

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    Itís not astonishing.

    Quite evident by the fact that unlike almost all international Test teams, we have not one new ball bowler that can swing the ball.

    Shaheen gets very little movement and Abbas, well, is terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UzmanBeast View Post
    It's an eye opener. Great thread.

    It just shows how poor our bowlers have been collectively. No teamwork from the bowling front, and on top of that, so many dropped catches.

    No support for the bowlers either.

    It's time for a really big change, one which was long awaited.

    You need to revamp the bowling attack. Naseem out, Hasan in. Abbas out, Mir Hamza/Ehsan Adil in. Shaheen can stay because he's looked threatening to say the least, and created the most opportunities that went begging.

    People might say that we can't go "change-happy". Look at the record, conceding 60 runs per wicket is abyssmal in test cricket. We need to wake up.

    How many more innings losses do we suffer before the ******* of Naseem realize that he is no good? How many more times will we see Abbas bowl "accurately" and have no wickets?

    It might be harsh to drop Abbas, but if Rizwan doesn't start coming up to the stumps, Abbas's international career will slowly come to an end.
    Mir Hamza? He could only get 14 wickets in this years Quaid-e-Azam trophy and his bowling average is 45. Whereas Ehsan Adil was hardly given any game by CP this year.

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    Akhtar could have ended up with 250 test wickets if it wasn't for his injury issues. Asif had the ability to end up with 300 test wickets given the talent he possessed. Gul might have achieved 250 test wickets atleast if it wasn't for his knee injury. The rest unfortunately got as far as they could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    It’s not astonishing.

    Quite evident by the fact that unlike almost all international Test teams, we have not one new ball bowler that can swing the ball.

    Shaheen gets very little movement and Abbas, well, is terrible.
    Shaheen can swing the new ball but he only swings the new ball in, he cant swing the new ball away from the right hander, unfortunately he doesn't know how to utilize it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Shaheen can swing the new ball but he only swings the new ball in, he cant swing the new ball away from the right hander, unfortunately he doesn't know how to utilize it
    He can angle it across; he has the ability but just forgot it by focusing on the inswing.

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    Not sure whats there to accept. I dont think anyone is comparing Abbas + two teenagers to Wasim and Waqar. Maybe those that are do need a reset otherwise a pretty tame attack that needs a serious upgrade. Should be rather obvious to anyone watching really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Pakistan fans have to move on from Wasim and Waqar. It was a long time ago, and there has been a flood of mediocrity since.

    Imagine India hyping up its batting stocks if the last good batsman they produced was Azharuddin.
    Wasim Waqar started their careers young i.e. 16, 17 years old an they played for a good 19 and 14 years. This explains why they had 300 plus wickets. Most other pacers who followed them started their careers in their early to mid 20's and given that Pakistan does not play enough test cricket, it will be very hard for anyone to reach 300 wickets unless someone has a crazy Mitchel Johson or Imran Khan type patch in one calendar year

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    Overall I think this is a rather childish view of a fairly complex issue. This Indian bowling attack is being touted as one other best in their history yet a couple of injuries and they are reduced to practice level bowlers. If the aussies lose Hazlewood and Cummins they would be whipping boys.

    At any given point in time a test playing nation really only has 1-2 outright gun bowlers and they carry them through 10-15 years if lucky. For Pakistan this was supposed to be Shoaib who had all kinds of personal issues from fitness/injury to just personality sucking. Then there were Amir and Asif who had their own set of personal problems. So to pretend there is some ongoing issue with talent is quite childish. There have been some serious management blunders since with 2000's started those are what needs highlighting, not some ridiculous average that tells you nothing about what was actually going on behind the scenes.

    By the way, now that we finally have the right management structure in place (but no talent really to work with) fans wont stop moaning about that. The talent isnt there because we mismanaged it. We have the right management structure now and need to give them the right talent to work with. Which may well be Hassan Ali and Shaheen. Lets see what they do with these two. But to me this is an overreaction and show a basic misunderstanding of what is going on in Pakistan cricket.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    Also we tend to forget the Ball used to reverse ďmilesĒ in Nzl and Eng back in the day for Pakistani bowlers. It felt like teams could collapse even if they had 9 wickets in hand and 10-20 runs to score when the ball would start behaving like it has a mind of its own suddenly.

    I remember seeing a Pakistan win vs Eng or Nzl in such circumstances too back in the day.

    Anyways regardless of that Pak team was way better than Eng and Nzl in the late 80ís
    to late 90ís,

    Very good analysis by the poster, great job.
    They have lot more cameras in the ground now a days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoaibM View Post
    Overall I think this is a rather childish view of a fairly complex issue. This Indian bowling attack is being touted as one other best in their history yet a couple of injuries and they are reduced to practice level bowlers. If the aussies lose Hazlewood and Cummins they would be whipping boys.

    At any given point in time a test playing nation really only has 1-2 outright gun bowlers and they carry them through 10-15 years if lucky. For Pakistan this was supposed to be Shoaib who had all kinds of personal issues from fitness/injury to just personality sucking. Then there were Amir and Asif who had their own set of personal problems. So to pretend there is some ongoing issue with talent is quite childish. There have been some serious management blunders since with 2000's started those are what needs highlighting, not some ridiculous average that tells you nothing about what was actually going on behind the scenes.

    By the way, now that we finally have the right management structure in place (but no talent really to work with) fans wont stop moaning about that. The talent isnt there because we mismanaged it. We have the right management structure now and need to give them the right talent to work with. Which may well be Hassan Ali and Shaheen. Lets see what they do with these two. But to me this is an overreaction and show a basic misunderstanding of what is going on in Pakistan cricket.
    Yes misunderstanding, taking a teenager to Australia- England- now NZL and expecting him to run through line ups. Yes misunderstanding, taking a bowler whoís deliveries not even reaching keeper. I can go on and on and on with the endless list.

    You had Rahat Ali a v good new ball bowler what do you with him discard.

    You had Wahab riaz with you didnít use him, you had Sohail khan you didnít even bother selecting him over abbas,

    You had rohail and talat scored 100s you didnít even bother giving them chances over harris sohail, and what does harris do, getting caught of leaving deliveries.

    Yes misunderstanding you are right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdman View Post
    They have lot more cameras in the ground now a days.
    As AUS and SA (Faf caught ball-tampering) have found out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoaibM View Post
    Overall I think this is a rather childish view of a fairly complex issue. This Indian bowling attack is being touted as one other best in their history yet a couple of injuries and they are reduced to practice level bowlers. If the aussies lose Hazlewood and Cummins they would be whipping boys.
    Indians had a couple of injuries and played without Shami and Ishant. This reduced practice level bowling kept Aus below 200 in the first 2 tests.

    Nope Aus won't be averaging 45 if they lose Hazlewood and Cummins.

    Aus/Ind both have much better depth right now when it comes to bowling unit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Indians had a couple of injuries and played without Shami and Ishant. This reduced practice level bowling kept Aus below 200 in the first 2 tests.

    Nope Aus won't be averaging 45 if they lose Hazlewood and Cummins.

    Aus/Ind both have much better depth right now when it comes to bowling unit.
    So you would take Ishant, Saini and Siraj as your lead attack? Wah bhai soch kay bolo please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoaibM View Post
    So you would take Ishant, Saini and Siraj as your lead attack?
    You are not making any sense here.

    You were making a point about any bowling unit becomes practice level as soon as 2 bowlers are injured. That's not true for bowling units with depth.

    I have no reason to rate Saini or Siraj. They have just debuted but Indians missing Sharma, Shami, and Yadav, but they are still playing with Bumrah, Ashwin, and Jadeja. Any attack playing with Bumrah, Ashwin, and Jadeja will be decent. Sure much weaker when compared to if they had Ishant, Shami etc.

    The same is true for Aus. You will rarely find Aus averaging 40-50 for 10-15 tests. The simple reason is they always had depth. Indians have just right now, but Aus usually have depth. Taking out 1-2 bowlers won't make Aus attack a practice level attack.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    I am shocked at the fact our bowlers were unable to do anything with the old ball, no reverse swing at all. This is something which was the bowling coach WY Forte, he has a lot to answer for on this front along with many other things
    I noticed a lack of reverse during the England tour as well. Correct me if I'm wrong but is saliva now not allowed to be used by bowlers when shining the ball? I recall reading that somewhere. So atm only sweat is used to shine the ball and this might explain the recent lack of reverse for Pak bowlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    You are not making any sense here.

    You were making a point about any bowling unit becomes practice level as soon as 2 bowlers are injured. That's not true for bowling units with depth.

    I have no reason to rate Saini or Siraj. They have just debuted but Indians missing Sharma, Shami, and Yadav, but they are still playing with Bumrah, Ashwin, and Jadeja. Any attack playing with Bumrah, Ashwin, and Jadeja will be decent. Sure much weaker when compared to if they had Ishant, Shami etc.

    The same is true for Aus. You will rarely find Aus averaging 40-50 for 10-15 tests. The simple reason is they always had depth. Indians have just right now, but Aus usually have depth. Taking out 1-2 bowlers won't make Aus attack a practice level attack.
    No I wasn't saying any attack becomes practice level as soon as 2 bowlers are injured. I was saying most attacks lose their teeth of you take out the 2 key bowlers. For this Indian team that would have to be Bumrah and Shami/Ashwin depending on conditions.

    Pakistan has lost Amir and Asif who, if their heads were on straight, would still be playing and performing. So my point is the issue was not lack of talent but lack of talent management. Its still an issue of course.

    Now, I thought your point was that the Indian attack can withstand taking out two of its top performers. And my reply to that point is that no, if you take the two top performers out of the Indian attack, you would not want whats left over (Ishant, Saini and Siraj) to be leading the Pak bowling attack. Hopefully this at least clears up some of the confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoaibM View Post
    No I wasn't saying any attack becomes practice level as soon as 2 bowlers are injured. I was saying most attacks lose their teeth of you take out the 2 key bowlers. For this Indian team that would have to be Bumrah and Shami/Ashwin depending on conditions.

    Pakistan has lost Amir and Asif who, if their heads were on straight, would still be playing and performing. So my point is the issue was not lack of talent but lack of talent management. Its still an issue of course.

    Now, I thought your point was that the Indian attack can withstand taking out two of its top performers. And my reply to that point is that no, if you take the two top performers out of the Indian attack, you would not want whats left over (Ishant, Saini and Siraj) to be leading the Pak bowling attack. Hopefully this at least clears up some of the confusion.
    Saini and Siraj are new in the peck.

    For the past 7 years, we have 5 test bowlers and we have rotated between them.
    Ishant, Bhuvi, Shami, Yadav and Bumrah.

    You take out two out of that lot and you still get a decent attack ( not great though). Saini and Siraj are next in line. This particular series, we have four out of original five are not available anymore that's why they got chance.

    Overall happy with the progress of Siraj. He seems good enough for this level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoaibM View Post
    No I wasn't saying any attack becomes practice level as soon as 2 bowlers are injured. I was saying most attacks lose their teeth of you take out the 2 key bowlers. For this Indian team that would have to be Bumrah and Shami/Ashwin depending on conditions.

    Pakistan has lost Amir and Asif who, if their heads were on straight, would still be playing and performing. So my point is the issue was not lack of talent but lack of talent management. Its still an issue of course.

    Now, I thought your point was that the Indian attack can withstand taking out two of its top performers. And my reply to that point is that no, if you take the two top performers out of the Indian attack, you would not want whats left over (Ishant, Saini and Siraj) to be leading the Pak bowling attack. Hopefully this at least clears up some of the confusion.

    If you take out Bumrah/Ashwin - Leftover will be Shami, Ishant, Yadav, Jadeja

    If you take out Bumrah/Shami - left over will be Ishant, Yadav, Ashwin, Jadeja


    Yes, I would absolutely want them to bowl for Pakistan when compared to whatever attack Pakistan had for the last few years. Pakistan would win a lot more tests.

    Forget about Pakistan, I was not talking about Pakistan. Taking the best two still leaves a decent attack, that's what I was talking about when I said depth in bowling in India/Aus. It's just a luxury they have at this moment. Aus usually had that most of the time.

    Let's just agree to disagree.


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    Excellent analysis.

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    Thread about Pakistan, stick to topic


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaddy View Post
    Mir Hamza? He could only get 14 wickets in this years Quaid-e-Azam trophy and his bowling average is 45. Whereas Ehsan Adil was hardly given any game by CP this year.
    I was listing the best possible candidates who have performed over many seasons of QEA.

    I have no idea why Ehsan Adil was not played by CP, maybe an injury could be the cause.

    Anyways, I would have said to bring in the likes of Irfanullah Shah and Shahnawaz Dhani if they had experience in FC, but they both are fairly new to the system. I'd give them at least another QEA Trophy season before even considering to give them a callup. Both are pretty good with inconsistent bounce, but need to learn where to put the ball and to bowl hard lengths consistently.

    At the moment, we know that Shaheen merits a spot, and Abbas for all his lack of penetration also deserves a spot. Naseem should be dropped for Hasan, and we should look at what happens from here on out. If Rizwan can start coming up to the stumps, and our slips come closer, Abbas can become so much more threatening. I don't know if this is an issue with the management or the captaincy or Abbas himself, but someone is at fault for not bringing the keeper and slips closer.

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    Great analysis @Markhor completely agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoaibM View Post
    Overall I think this is a rather childish view of a fairly complex issue. This Indian bowling attack is being touted as one other best in their history yet a couple of injuries and they are reduced to practice level bowlers. If the aussies lose Hazlewood and Cummins they would be whipping boys.

    At any given point in time a test playing nation really only has 1-2 outright gun bowlers and they carry them through 10-15 years if lucky. For Pakistan this was supposed to be Shoaib who had all kinds of personal issues from fitness/injury to just personality sucking. Then there were Amir and Asif who had their own set of personal problems. So to pretend there is some ongoing issue with talent is quite childish. There have been some serious management blunders since with 2000's started those are what needs highlighting, not some ridiculous average that tells you nothing about what was actually going on behind the scenes.

    By the way, now that we finally have the right management structure in place (but no talent really to work with) fans wont stop moaning about that. The talent isnt there because we mismanaged it. We have the right management structure now and need to give them the right talent to work with. Which may well be Hassan Ali and Shaheen. Lets see what they do with these two. But to me this is an overreaction and show a basic misunderstanding of what is going on in Pakistan cricket.
    Quote Originally Posted by ShoaibM View Post
    Overall I think this is a rather childish view of a fairly complex issue. This Indian bowling attack is being touted as one other best in their history yet a couple of injuries and they are reduced to practice level bowlers. If the aussies lose Hazlewood and Cummins they would be whipping boys.

    At any given point in time a test playing nation really only has 1-2 outright gun bowlers and they carry them through 10-15 years if lucky. For Pakistan this was supposed to be Shoaib who had all kinds of personal issues from fitness/injury to just personality sucking. Then there were Amir and Asif who had their own set of personal problems. So to pretend there is some ongoing issue with talent is quite childish. There have been some serious management blunders since with 2000's started those are what needs highlighting, not some ridiculous average that tells you nothing about what was actually going on behind the scenes.

    By the way, now that we finally have the right management structure in place (but no talent really to work with) fans wont stop moaning about that. The talent isnt there because we mismanaged it. We have the right management structure now and need to give them the right talent to work with. Which may well be Hassan Ali and Shaheen. Lets see what they do with these two. But to me this is an overreaction and show a basic misunderstanding of what is going on in Pakistan cricket.
    While I agree talent management is a problem, I'm not sure if you've read the article beyond the headline - it's a review of Pakistan's performance in New Zealand which was dismal, not a complete history of Pakistan's bowlers since the 2000s and how these poor souls were mishandled.

    However the second worst Test attack over the last 16 months, the worst Test series bowling display by a PAK side in NZ, and failing to bowl a side out in almost 50% of our last 13 Test innings (5 Tests in ENG and NZ) might give some clue about the quality of our so-called talent.

    Pakistan has never had a proper system to nurture its talent yet rarely have we struggled taking 20 wickets - least of all in swing and seam friendly conditions in New Zealand and England. Until now.

    The fact you're having to point to Mohammad Asif (banned 10.5 years ago) and Shoaib Akhtar (last played a Test in 2007) underlines my argument.

    Who was missing from this side anyway ? How many Tests did Wahab play in the last 4 years of his career ? Amir didn't uproot any trees post 2016.

    So one must give analysis based on reality not analysis to soothe fans' egos.

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    Excellent analysis but can we have stats on how many catches were dropped in that period ?

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    I accepted this a long time ago, but it's still probably a timely reminder by providing some detailed analysis. What I would add is that while Pakistan's bowlers are no longer up there with the elite, they are not as bad as some of the wrist slitters would have you believe. A Pakistan pace attack is still capable of skittling teams for a low score in the right conditions, a pace attack of Afridi, Abbas and Amir would be enough to test most batting line ups.

    That said, the difference between them and the best bowling attacks is that there is no consistency. Pakistan bowlers don't have the discipline the best teams do, and the likes of Abbas and Amir who do have some control, are perhaps past their peak.

    The younger newer lads are game, but not really international class yet.


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