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    What do India's successes in Australia but failures in South Africa tell us?

    That Australian wickets are no longer challenging for subcontinent teams like they were in the 80's, 90's and early to mid 2000's?

    That Australia has a bad mental block against India?

    The South African wickets are a lot harder and tougher for subcontinent teams than Australian wickets?

    South African batsmen are a lot mentally tougher and ready to battle it out against tough bowling in tough conditions vs the Australian batsmen?

    On paper a very weak South African batting line up and perhaps not the greatest South African bowling line up has held its own against the greatest Indian bowling line up in history which the Australians came up short again twice in a row.

    Australians should hang their head in shame. Sharam se doob ke mar jana chahiye

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    overated team that just got lucky.


    The 36 all out is what defines them.

    The fans have even started to claim as Pant being the next Gilchrist based on an avg of 37


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    Since the turn of the century, we kept headbutting Australia again and again that eventually they had to give. That rivalry has given us some very good Tests and ODIs over the years.

    This South African series has been disappointing. Rahul's Day 1 century is the only thing that gave us the result this series. The other Rahul (Dravid) has been here before. In 2006/7 he was captain and lost the series 1-2 after winning the first test in Jo'burg. As a result, South Africa remains our final frontier and we'll see what happens next time around.

    Credit to South Africa by the way. They are not going to sink without a trace like Sri Lanka.


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    rivalry?? Plz stop forcing the Australia vs India as a rivalry, it is not one. Stop shoving it down as one...


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    It tells us a reasonable team can win in Australia and teams that are weak will not win in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    That Australian wickets are no longer challenging for subcontinent teams like they were in the 80's, 90's and e
    Yes very true this.. which is why we see Pakistan keep winning series after series in Aus..


    OH wait...


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    Indian legacy ruined big time here and a bad day for @Mamoon.

    It does seem like the win in Australia was a one off.

    I would be not be surprised the tiniest if India loses by big margin to Australia in Australia next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    I would be not be surprised the tiniest if India loses by big margin to Australia in Australia next time.
    Anything can happen, but I'm sure we will put up a fight even if we are to lose, and we sure as hell won't let Australia win in India.


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    lol some fans can't get over the nightmare of India doing a double in Australia. Same Australia that is thrashing England at the moment.

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    Let's not forget, India fell short in NZ too. They are currently 2-1 in England with a final test match left to play. Barring Australia, the Indian team with its strongest bowling attack in its history doesn't have a lot to show for itself outside India

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Let's not forget, India fell short in NZ too. They are currently 2-2 in England with a final test match left to play. Barring Australia, the Indian team with its strongest bowling attack in its history doesn't have a lot to show for itself outside India
    We are 2-1 up in England. The most England can hope to get is a drawn series.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Let's not forget, India fell short in NZ too. They are currently 2-1 in England with a final test match left to play. Barring Australia, the Indian team with its strongest bowling attack in its history doesn't have a lot to show for itself outside India
    they should had ran away from SA.
    Its fun watching the indians cry bringing up Asutralia again and again.


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    If Pakistan were to win a Test series in Australia but lose a series in SA, the word fluke would’ve been used by certain posters. @M…..n

    India’s Test series win in Australia was a…fluke.

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    We also got whitewashed in NZ where even Bangladesh managed to win 1 test. There is still 1 test left against England this year. Let's see how we play there. Chances are we are once again going to blame IPL after losing that test.

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    It tells us that Ramiz Raja was right

    The Australians have changed their DNA. They are monsters and bullies against everyone else but are mentally weak against their paymasters India

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    We also got whitewashed in NZ where even Bangladesh managed to win 1 test. There is still 1 test left against England this year. Let's see how we play there. Chances are we are once again going to blame IPL after losing that test.
    And remember - Sri Lanka won a series in South Africa while we're yet to.


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    India have historically been the most competitive Asian team in Australia. Even in 2003 and 08 they managed to win a test each there.

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    India ki bowling will always remain as the butt of all jokes

    The 37 all out, 152 without loss and this test series loss in SA along with the losses against NZ truly define this India test team.

    They are above average but definitely not the GOAT Asian side.

    We were told:

    - India would win 3-0 in this series
    - This is the GOAT Asian side
    - Kohli > Imran Khan, I like Kohli but I can't see IK's Pakistan side losing to this SA team (anywhere)
    - India's pace attack is comparable to 1980's WI bowling side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    rivalry?? Plz stop forcing the Australia vs India as a rivalry, it is not one. Stop shoving it down as one...
    Its for Aussies and Indians. Pakistanis may not consider it one.

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    It tells us that we should not carry failures in the team for too long.

    Rahane and Pujara scored runs in Australia.

    Since then they have massively flopped and should have been dropped for the 3rd test, we didn't. Result is for all to see.

    Secondly, Iyer who scored a 105 plus 65 or so in just a test back was not given a single chance, infact Vihari who was not even in the squad for the last series played ahead of him. What is this selection?

    The team management including the coach and the selectors have some questions to answer.

    OP forgot that India won in Australia and is leading in England too. I believe both teams have mental block plus easy pitches plus lesser batsmen?


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    And let me make one more prediction here, the team management will pick Deepak Chahar abd Bhuvi Kumar ahead of Prasidh Krishna and Saini in LoIs

    10 months from now, on hard Aussie pitches these two medium pacers will be thrashed.

    Its sad that whether its Shastri or Dravid, India's "System" concept remains unchanged.

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    That success against Australia and weak England had papered over the cracks in this side and which are now exposed by south africans. Rahane pujara were carried for so long because India were winning

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    It tells us that South Africa are stronger team than Australia.

    The updated team ranking in my view :-

    1. India
    2. New Zealand
    3. South Africa
    4. Australia
    5. England
    6. Pakistan

    Then rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    And let me make one more prediction here, the team management will pick Deepak Chahar abd Bhuvi Kumar ahead of Prasidh Krishna and Saini in LoIs

    10 months from now, on hard Aussie pitches these two medium pacers will be thrashed.

    Its sad that whether its Shastri or Dravid, India's "System" concept remains unchanged.
    Wait - we are touring Australia again?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed216 View Post
    That success against Australia and weak England had papered over the cracks in this side and which are now exposed by south africans. Rahane pujara were carried for so long because India were winning
    Rahane scored a match winning century at Melbourne.

    Pujara scored 50s in both innings at SCG to draw the test and then a 50 in Gabba to chase 300 plus.

    So they did help India win in Australia.

    But Rahane has been very inconsistent. A string of low scores, followed by a brilliant match winning one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    It tells us that South Africa are stronger team than Australia.

    The updated team ranking in my view :-

    1. India
    2. New Zealand
    3. South Africa
    4. Australia
    5. England
    6. Pakistan

    Then rest.
    A world number 2 doesn't loose a test against Bangladesh at home. I would give NZ a number 4 spot.

    With no colpak option and guys like Shan Masood getting a county contract, England can go only downhill from here.

    My ranking:

    1. Australia
    2. India
    3. South Africa
    4. NZ
    5. Pakistan
    6. England

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    It only means that this Indian team is now past it abd needs replacements. Funny how Australia is not that challenging apparently but other teams even struggle to draw a test match there and the weakest SA team of all time still manages to whitewash certain other sides when they tour.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Wait - we are touring Australia again?
    I think he means T20 WC in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    A world number 2 doesn't loose a test against Bangladesh at home. I would give NZ a number 4 spot.

    With no colpak option and guys like Shan Masood getting a county contract, England can go only downhill from here.

    My ranking:

    1. Australia
    2. India
    3. South Africa
    4. NZ
    5. Pakistan
    6. England
    They have lost their last series in India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, South Africa and are #1 just because they've been cottonballed at home? Even at home India have beaten them twice in a row. Their only recent away success was England 2019 (2-2 draw).


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Rahane scored a match winning century at Melbourne.

    Pujara scored 50s in both innings at SCG to draw the test and then a 50 in Gabba to chase 300 plus.

    So they did help India win in Australia.

    But Rahane has been very inconsistent. A string of low scores, followed by a brilliant match winning one.
    An odd good innings once in a while is certainly not good enough to play in a ATG side for rahane. And except a couple of series Pujara has been average right throughout his career in away conditions. And his performance has been on decline for last 3 years. A team with a world beating bench strength doesn't need to carry players who average 25-30 in last few years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    And remember - Sri Lanka won a series in South Africa while we're yet to.
    To be fair, SL were fortunate they played those two Tests at Durban and Port Elizabeth where the pitches aren't as bouncy as Centurion, Cape Town and Joburg.

    It was still a great achievement, but as soon as SL played at the usual SAF venues on their next tour they were hammered.

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    Yes, it was not a good performance by team India in SA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    overated team that just got lucky.


    The 36 all out is what defines them.

    The fans have even started to claim as Pant being the next Gilchrist based on an avg of 37
    Sure, one poor inning defines a team.

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    There's no correlation here. Also context is key. Smith and Warner are probably not the same players they were before getting suspended and missing that crucial series. But one can only beat what is in front of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    A world number 2 doesn't loose a test against Bangladesh at home. I would give NZ a number 4 spot.

    With no colpak option and guys like Shan Masood getting a county contract, England can go only downhill from here.

    My ranking:

    1. Australia
    2. India
    3. South Africa
    4. NZ
    5. Pakistan
    6. England
    India are still number by some margin. They go to other countries and compete/win, while they blow everyone away at home. That "Test Championship" thing we saw in England is nonsensical and a fuss.

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    Excellent question OP, I would say that India are still psychologically damaged and scarred since 152-0 in the WT20

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    India still the best test side in world cricket for my money.

    Cape Town is an absolute graveyard for sub-continent sides in test cricket. History was always against India winning this match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    It tells us that South Africa are stronger team than Australia.

    The updated team ranking in my view :-

    1. India
    2. New Zealand
    3. South Africa
    4. Australia
    5. England
    6. Pakistan

    Then rest.
    South Africa is too high at no. 3. India and Australia are 1 and 2-respectively. From there on it's interchangeable. I'm off the opinion that we should be at no.5.

    New Zealand and England have Williamson and Root who are capable of scoring big hundreds and/or forge a few partnerships along the way. We don't have that player hence I think they are better than us. We have no batting to speak of, none!

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    India are still number by some margin. They go to other countries and compete/win, while they blow everyone away at home. That "Test Championship" thing we saw in England is nonsensical and a fuss.
    The Savannah plains still lie unconquered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    overated team that just got lucky.


    The 36 all out is what defines them.

    The fans have even started to claim as Pant being the next Gilchrist based on an avg of 37
    Hilarious. This kind of post just shows how much jealousy Pak fans has towards Indian team and how much behind Indian cricket has left Pakistan.

    So Winning back to back test series in Australia is just bcoz the team got lucky?

    Talk about cluching the straws

    Hope a certain team gets such luck so that they manage to even draw a test there which they couldnt manage to do in last 4 decades.

    Though the comparison of Pant with Gilchrist is a stretch but later could never manage to win a test series for his country in India with an avg of 27 in there against spin. Pant on the other hand has single handedly won his team a test match in fortress Gabba and won the series in the process. Mind you the kid is only 24, the same age when Gilchrist didnt even made his test debut.

    But for Pak fans to act as if its a blasphemy to compare Pant with Gilchrist is borderline hilarious when we regularly see such comparions here - whether Ahmed Sehzad is next Kohli, Razzaq is better than Kapil Dev, Asif would have been better than Mcgrath and then ample threads where Umar Akmal is compared with ATGs.

    Wonder from where so much jealousy comes from. Surely not lack of cricket knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricfan4eva View Post
    lol some fans can't get over the nightmare of India doing a double in Australia. Same Australia that is thrashing England at the moment.
    most fans are laughing at India losing to weakest ever SA test side. Stop milking the Aussie tours to hide behind failures elsewhere.

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    Put it this way, if pak won against Aus and lost to this weak SA team guess what the buzzword on this froum would be,.. "Fluke"

    Im just going to enjoy the paragraphs of excuses Indian fans are coming up with today one minute ATG team one minute weakest indian batting line up ever, sounding like PAK fans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    Though the comparison of Pant with Gilchrist is a stretch but later could never manage to win a test series for his country in India with an avg of 27 in there against spin.
    Such ignorance shouldn't be worn on the sleeve so proudly, Gilchrist captained Australia to a series win in India in 2004.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    To be fair, SL were fortunate they played those two Tests at Durban and Port Elizabeth where the pitches aren't as bouncy as Centurion, Cape Town and Joburg.

    It was still a great achievement, but as soon as SL played at the usual SAF venues on their next tour they were hammered.
    Only Asian team to win in SA, regardless of venues so should get 100% praise it deserves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    Such ignorance shouldn't be worn on the sleeve so proudly, Gilchrist captained Australia to a series win in India in 2004.
    Suppose this is what happens when clueless fans rely on stats only, Pant is a decent player but he isnt even fit to lace Gilchrist boots at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The Savannah plains still lie unconquered.
    And still the best side in the world by far. I get it that losing the series is disappointing, at worst India would have preferred to walk away with a draw, but those are rare in SA. The goal of a number one side is to be competitive away from home at the minimum, and India have done more than that, they've won Test matches everywhere. They haven't been flukes either, they are a super competitive side. You lot should be proud of this team

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    most fans are laughing at India losing to weakest ever SA test side. Stop milking the Aussie tours to hide behind failures elsewhere.
    if you say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Only Asian team to win in SA, regardless of venues so should get 100% praise it deserves.
    Yet when it comes to the only Asian team to win in Aus (not once but twice despite being depleted the 2nd time) you change your tune to,

    "Stop milking the Aussie tours"

    Ah the irony. Again, I understand after our win in Aus, this comes as a huge sense of relief for some fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    And still the best side in the world by far. I get it that losing the series is disappointing, at worst India would have preferred to walk away with a draw, but those are rare in SA. The goal of a number one side is to be competitive away from home at the minimum, and India have done more than that, they've won Test matches everywhere. They haven't been flukes either, they are a super competitive side. You lot should be proud of this team
    Thanks. We are, we just feel certain issues with selection, but having Vihari or Iyer wouldn't have guaranteed a win either.

    To me it looked like India put in everything and they just came up against the kind of resistance SA is known for. KP is embodiment of SA spirit. It's great for cricket that SA future isn't bleak as some of us were fearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    That Australian wickets are no longer challenging for subcontinent teams like they were in the 80's, 90's and early to mid 2000's?

    That Australia has a bad mental block against India?

    The South African wickets are a lot harder and tougher for subcontinent teams than Australian wickets?

    South African batsmen are a lot mentally tougher and ready to battle it out against tough bowling in tough conditions vs the Australian batsmen?

    On paper a very weak South African batting line up and perhaps not the greatest South African bowling line up has held its own against the greatest Indian bowling line up in history which the Australians came up short again twice in a row.

    Australians should hang their head in shame. Sharam se doob ke mar jana chahiye
    Australia were captained by Tim Paine. The worst captain in AUS history. Cummins would eat this indian team alive as captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricfan4eva View Post
    Thanks. We are, we just feel certain issues with selection, but having Vihari or Iyer wouldn't have guaranteed a win either.

    To me it looked like India put in everything and they just came up against the kind of resistance SA is known for. KP is embodiment of SA spirit. It's great for cricket that SA future isn't bleak as some of us were fearing.
    Make no mistake our future is definitely bleak, at least in the short term. As for "KP", I'm sorry but I just don't trust players coming through our domestic set-up. History tells us it leads nowhere, it's a false dawn. I always look at the under 19's to see who's coming through. At the moment I'm not seeing anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    Hilarious. This kind of post just shows how much jealousy Pak fans has towards Indian team and how much behind Indian cricket has left Pakistan.

    So Winning back to back test series in Australia is just bcoz the team got lucky?

    Talk about cluching the straws

    Hope a certain team gets such luck so that they manage to even draw a test there which they couldnt manage to do in last 4 decades.

    Though the comparison of Pant with Gilchrist is a stretch but later could never manage to win a test series for his country in India with an avg of 27 in there against spin. Pant on the other hand has single handedly won his team a test match in fortress Gabba and won the series in the process. Mind you the kid is only 24, the same age when Gilchrist didnt even made his test debut.

    But for Pak fans to act as if its a blasphemy to compare Pant with Gilchrist is borderline hilarious when we regularly see such comparions here - whether Ahmed Sehzad is next Kohli, Razzaq is better than Kapil Dev, Asif would have been better than Mcgrath and then ample threads where Umar Akmal is compared with ATGs.

    Wonder from where so much jealousy comes from. Surely not lack of cricket knowledge.
    Still talking about australia win after getting defeated by sa. Plus the camptain fighting with a cricket stump and star sports is out get them


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    I don't know what it tells us about the Aus wins, but o would be desperately disappointed if I was India
    This was the perfect time to play SA, and I would expect Pakistan to beat this SA team in SA.
    Remember the last time we lost in SA, they still had Amla, Faf, Qdk, Philander, Steyn and Oliveir was deadly them compared to now. And we didn't have Rizwan, Fawad on the scene like we do now.
    HUGE Opportunity missed


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    Quote Originally Posted by silentkiller187 View Post
    Put it this way, if pak won against Aus and lost to this weak SA team guess what the buzzword on this froum would be,.. "Fluke"

    Im just going to enjoy the paragraphs of excuses Indian fans are coming up with today one minute ATG team one minute weakest indian batting line up ever, sounding like PAK fans
    They are trying to bring australia in 10 times. Some even said it a rivalry. Just cant stop laughing.

    Usually they all come over to make fun of pak cricket or pak fans today they are just coming over to be made fun of.

    Like seriously, calling pant the nect gilchrist with an avg of 37, comparing their bowlers with australia, and than to end up claiming that there is a star sports conspiracy


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    Quote Originally Posted by silentkiller187 View Post
    Put it this way, if pak won against Aus and lost to this weak SA team guess what the buzzword on this froum would be,.. "Fluke"

    Im just going to enjoy the paragraphs of excuses Indian fans are coming up with today one minute ATG team one minute weakest indian batting line up ever, sounding like PAK fans
    They are trying to bring australia in 10 times. Some even said it a rivalry. Just cant stop laughing.

    Usually they all come over to make fun of pak cricket or pak fans today they are just coming over to be made fun of.

    Like seriously, calling pant the nect gilchrist with an avg of 37, comparing their bowlers with australia, and than to end up claiming that there is a star sports conspiracy


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Still talking about australia win after getting defeated by sa. Plus the camptain fighting with a cricket stump and star sports is out get them
    Lol...its you who brought the topic of Australia wins saying they were due to sheer luck and 36 all out defines us. Check the post #2.

    I understand you are jubilant that India lost today...so perhaphs getting bit carried away.

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    it tells us the importance of Rohit and dare I say,Jadeja.

    It tells you can't keep back failures in the name of experience. Bowlers were saving our behinds all this while,someday it had to cost us


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    it tells us the importance of Rohit and dare I say,Jadeja.

    It tells you can't keep back failures in the name of experience. Bowlers were saving our behinds all this while,someday it had to cost us
    All it tells us is what I been shouting it out here for a long time. Indian batting always performs in Australia thus giving India a great chance of winning. India have been a great touring side to Australia since the run of the century.

    They even very nearly won it when Australia had an all time great side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    Hilarious. This kind of post just shows how much jealousy Pak fans has towards Indian team and how much behind Indian cricket has left Pakistan.

    So Winning back to back test series in Australia is just bcoz the team got lucky?

    Talk about cluching the straws

    Hope a certain team gets such luck so that they manage to even draw a test there which they couldnt manage to do in last 4 decades.

    Though the comparison of Pant with Gilchrist is a stretch but later could never manage to win a test series for his country in India with an avg of 27 in there against spin. Pant on the other hand has single handedly won his team a test match in fortress Gabba and won the series in the process. Mind you the kid is only 24, the same age when Gilchrist didnt even made his test debut.

    But for Pak fans to act as if its a blasphemy to compare Pant with Gilchrist is borderline hilarious when we regularly see such comparions here - whether Ahmed Sehzad is next Kohli, Razzaq is better than Kapil Dev, Asif would have been better than Mcgrath and then ample threads where Umar Akmal is compared with ATGs.

    Wonder from where so much jealousy comes from. Surely not lack of cricket knowledge.
    I dont know where the confusion is India has been a great touring side to Australia since the turn of the century reason being their batting always performs in Australia. This is the truth.

    Regarding Pant v Gilchrist its a non starter Gilchrist is better in all 3 formats as a batter and keeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    it tells us the importance of Rohit and dare I say,Jadeja.

    It tells you can't keep back failures in the name of experience. Bowlers were saving our behinds all this while,someday it had to cost us
    SA too were missing anrich nortje and QDK after first game. Imagine nortje bowling to the mediocre Indian batsmen at 145-150 on these wickets.
    And rohit is no world beater in tests. He had his first decent away tour in england at the age of 35 . Most players start contemplating retirement at that age
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed216 View Post
    SA too were missing anrich nortje and QDK after first game. Imagine nortje bowling to the mediocre Indian batsmen at 145-150 on these wickets.
    And rohit is no world beater in tests. He had his first decent away tour in england at the age of 35 . Most players start contemplating retirement at that age
    Think you are forgetting that SA were playing at home. So missing few players dont matter as home conditions take care of that. India would beat any team in the world with even B team.

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    To answer the OP, simple, Virat Kohli.

    India beat Australia in the absence of Kohli after 36 all out, as captain he fled to India, yet lost to the weakest SA side in history with his presence.

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    What does Bangladesh winning a test in NZ and Sri Lanka winning a series in South Africa tells about Indian team's performances in NZ and SA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    Think you are forgetting that SA were playing at home. So missing few players dont matter as home conditions take care of that. India would beat any team in the world with even B team.
    No i am not forgetting. I just expect fans of an ATG team to stop pushing non availability of a single player as an excuse. SA are ranked what 5 or 6. For them to lose nortje and qdk midway thorugh the series were big blows

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentkiller187 View Post
    Put it this way, if pak won against Aus and lost to this weak SA team guess what the buzzword on this froum would be,.. "Fluke"

    Im just going to enjoy the paragraphs of excuses Indian fans are coming up with today one minute ATG team one minute weakest indian batting line up ever, sounding like PAK fans
    India won in Aus. In england they are leading 2-1.

    Here also they won the 1st test.

    They are winning tests consistently in SENA countries.

    They haven't lost a series at home in nearly a decade.

    Since you compared it to Pakistan and pakistani fans, How many tests have Pakistan won in SENA in last decade?

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    It tells us there is no IPL in South Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    Think you are forgetting that SA were playing at home. So missing few players dont matter as home conditions take care of that. India would beat any team in the world with even B team.
    Yeah we should ask our full strength team to stay at home and send our B team to NZ and South Africa next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    India won in Aus. In england they are leading 2-1.

    Here also they won the 1st test.

    They are winning tests consistently in SENA countries.

    They haven't lost a series at home in nearly a decade.

    Since you compared it to Pakistan and pakistani fans, How many tests have Pakistan won in SENA in last decade?
    How many did they play as compared to India? And how many tests did they play at their real home?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    India won in Aus. In england they are leading 2-1.

    Here also they won the 1st test.

    They are winning tests consistently in SENA countries.

    They haven't lost a series at home in nearly a decade.

    Since you compared it to Pakistan and pakistani fans, How many tests have Pakistan won in SENA in last decade?
    why dont you tell us since you cant stop talking about pakistan even after a hammering of your own, Pakistan is the worst team to ever play cricket anyway and honly has flukey wins so it doesnt matter, we are not ATG material

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed216 View Post
    SA too were missing anrich nortje and QDK after first game. Imagine nortje bowling to the mediocre Indian batsmen at 145-150 on these wickets.
    And rohit is no world beater in tests. He had his first decent away tour in england at the age of 35 . Most players start contemplating retirement at that age
    Marco Jensen more than made up for Nortje's absence.

    Rohit has been our best batter for 2 years now. Was major factor in Eng too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    Marco Jensen more than made up for Nortje's absence.

    Rohit has been our best batter for 2 years now. Was major factor in Eng too.
    What is Rohit Sharma's average in South Africa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    Think you are forgetting that SA were playing at home. So missing few players dont matter as home conditions take care of that. India would beat any team in the world with even B team.
    where have we heard this before, last time we were told by Pandya India could win any tournament with their reserves and then india A team couldnt even make their way out of their own tailor made group and schedule

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    This test series loss is a blessing in disguise for India. It tells us that you cannot win long enough by keeping the players that have been extremely ordinary for a long period now. The positives of this series :-

    1. Rahul and Pant test hundreds, only two Indian batsman to score centuries and proving that they are indeed amazing batsman. Last time around, Pandya had a 95 in Capetown too

    2. Kohli willing to spend enough time on crease, leave balls for hours and hours. His comeback to form was important for India. His next test will be 100th test too.

    3. Pujara and Rahane will finally be dropped for once and all. There is no way selectors should pick them. We have 3-4 home series coming now, so it is time for India to pick the likes of Gill, Vihari, Mayank, Iyer and Sundar and give them regular chances.

    Negatives :-

    1. Bumrah as a test bowler has shown the lack of defending totals and often crumbling in pressure situations which means he in not in the same league as Rabada, Cummins, Shaheen and Hasan Ali who, in contrast have shown that they are among the greatest pressure players in the game.

    2. Ashwin is an Imran Khan level all rounder in Asia but in contrast, just a Shadab Khan level test bowler in SENA conditions and his batting is worse than Shadab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentkiller187 View Post
    where have we heard this before, last time we were told by Pandya India could win any tournament with their reserves and then india A team couldnt even make their way out of their own tailor made group and schedule
    Not sure what do you mean and what has Pandya got to do with it. Looks like emotions getting better of you. Its a fact that India has lost just one test match in home in last 8-9 years and best home team ever. So it can beat most test teams at home even with B side. Remember how Jayant Yadav was scoring century and thrashing full strength Eng at home in 2016 series.

    South Africa have won here at their home. Agreed India should have won the series, especially after what they have done in Aust and Eng. The expectation is only there bcoz the team here is India who has recently win many matches away. But generally speaking not many teams wins overseas regulatly these days and its not a big deal that India failed to win here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    What is Rohit Sharma's average in South Africa?
    How many test matches he played in SA since he started opening in test cricket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    Not sure what do you mean and what has Pandya got to do with it. Looks like emotions getting better of you. Its a fact that India has lost just one test match in home in last 8-9 years and best home team ever. So it can beat most test teams at home even with B side. Remember how Jayant Yadav was scoring century and thrashing full strength Eng at home in 2016 series.

    South Africa have won here at their home. Agreed India should have won the series, especially after what they have done in Aust and Eng. The expectation is only there bcoz the team here is India who has recently win many matches away. But generally speaking not many teams wins overseas regulatly these days and its not a big deal that India failed to win here.
    Your making silly hyperbole statements like india can win with B team when your A team just got humbled by probably the weakest SA team in history, digest this defeat first before making silly statements, save your paragraphs and your emotion

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    This is a very poor result for Kohli and India. The number 1 Test side in the world losing to number 6 comprehensively in the end in 2 back-to-back Tests does not look well. And this is the weakest South African side ever to play since they got readmission in Test cricket. Also they weren't playing with De Kock in the last 2 Tests and Nortje for the whole series only for India to get outclassed by two rookies in Jansen and Petersen.

    Australian pitches suit India nicely because they are true batting pitches where you don't have to worry about lateral movement or uneven bounce. Since almost all Indian batters are relatively good at the cut and pull shot, they naturally do well in Australia. In SA, the pitches along with bounce also offer some lateral movement which makes it harder for subcontinent teams. But this shouldn't be an excuse for such a famed batting lineup to crumble against a middling bowling attack.

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    Out of curiousity, how many of the SA players in today's test play in the IPL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    How many test matches he played in SA since he started opening in test cricket?
    I don't know that is why I am asking. Do you know the answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    I don't know that is why I am asking. Do you know the answer?
    He didnt any and thats the point @Saurav was making. Rohit is a changed test batsman since he started opening, like his turnaround in ODIs as well as an opener. So saying how much Rohit avg in SA is a moot point since he never played any matches there as an opener. He was a sitting duck in Eng as well before but as we saw in recent series there he was MVP for India as an opener. So Sharma is definitely a miss in SA series but I wont give it as an excuse.

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