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    BCCI fires Team India's entire selection committee led by Chetan Sharma after T20 World Cup debacle

    After Team India's exit in the semifinal of T20 World Cup 2022, the entire selection committee led by Chetan Sharma has been sacked by the BCCI. The Men in Blue had lost to England by 10 wickets and thus exited the competition. BCCI have also invited applications for the post of India's national selector after firing Sharma.

    A PTI report confirmed the development on Friday, and the action took place on the same day when the Men in Blue were due to be in action against New Zealand in the first T20I, but the match was washed out due to rain.

    According to a tweet from BCCI on Friday, the apex body invited applications for the post of national selectors.

    BCCI sacked the four-member senior national selection committee led by Chetan Sharma after the Rohit Sharma-led side failed to make it past the semifinals in Australia.

    During Chetan's tenure, India had also failed to reach the knock-out stage in the 2021 edition of T20 World Cup and lost the World Test Championships final.

    Chetan (North zone), Harvinder Singh (Central Zone), Sunil Joshi (South Zone) and Debasish Mohanty (East Zone) have had the shortest stint as senior national selectors in recent times. Some of them were appointed in 2020 and some in 2021.

    A senior national selector normally gets a four-year term subject to extension. There was no selector from West Zone after Abbey Kuruvilla's tenure ended.

    As many as five selectors will be shortlisted by the BCCI who must fit the below-mentioned criteria:

    Should have played a minimum of
    a) 7 Test matches; OR
    b) 30 First Class matches; OR
    c) 10 ODI and 20 First Class matches.

    The final date for application to the posts was mentioned as November 28. All the applicants must have retired from the game at least five years ago.
    Link: https://www.dnaindia.com/cricket/rep...ebacle-3003446


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    A very tough job all over in cricket fraternity from stalwarts like Jayasuriya Inzimam Goeff Marsh have failed over the years, Cricket Boards first scapegoat are selectors


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    They should also fired Dravid.Foreign coach will do better
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    BCCI invites applications for the position of National Selectors

    BCCI Scraps Selection Committee Led By Chetan Sharma, Invites Fresh Applications

    The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) on Friday announced that they have invited applications for the position of National Selectors for the senior men's team. The BCCI also said that the deadline to submit the applications is 6pm IST on November 28. The board has scrapped the selection committee led by former India cricketer Chetan Sharma. The other members of the committee were Sunil Joshi (South Zone), Harvinder Singh (Central Zone) and Debashish Mohanty (East Zone).

    BCCI secretary Jay Shah had mentioned after the board's AGM in Mumbai last month that a new selection committee will be formed. He had also mentioned that a Cricket Advisory Committee (CAC) will formed, which would oversee the appointment procedure for the national selectors.

    Mr Shah had also said that the CAC would review the candidates after a year and provide feedback to the board on their performance.

    This meant that selecting the teams for the Bangladesh tour would be the last assignment for the outgoing selection committee.

    The announcement comes in the aftermath of India's semifinal exit from the T20 World Cup.



    While the position of a West Zone selector was lying vacant since February 2022 after Abey Kuruvilla completed his term, East Zone's Debasish Mohanty's tenure was also going to end soon as he had previously served as the selection committee member of the junior team.

    The new selection committee will take charge in December.

    "Candidates who wish to apply for the said position need to fulfil the following criteria for their applications to be considered," the BCCI said in an official release.

    "“The candidates should have played a minimum of seven Test matches, 30 First Class matches; or 10 ODI and 20 First Class matches,” the statement added.

    Also, the candidates must have retired from the game at least five years ago.

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    How does everyone in the PCB retain their jobs is beyond me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakfan54588 View Post
    They should also fired Dravid.Foreign coach will do better
    Coach , captain all are overrated things if you don't have proper wicket taking bowlers, I still think kohli was best captain .

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    This is how it should be done.


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    roger binny going elon musk way

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    Well done BCCI.

    Reasons for Chetan Sharma's sacking :

    - Not being able to make a settled squad with 8 captains in 1 just a year.

    - Loss in Asia Cup and T20 World Cup.
    - Picking KL Rahul after 8 months gap.
    - Not picking domestic and IPL performers.
    - Workload management.
    - Picking useless spinner Ashwin

    But question is why only Chetan Sharma, what about Dravid-Rohit duo?

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    Just firing selectors is not enough. Bold decisions needs to be taken in terms of team selection by the team management and captain too. It is a worriesome situation for Indian LOI side because they will not get a golden chance like next year's ODI World Cup in home conditions to win the tournament anytime soon.

    After the World T20 debacle, atleast two major decisions need to be implemented straightaway. One is to back right pacers and other is to pick one batsman at the top who plays with fearless intent in powerplay.

    Firstly, Bhuvi needs to be dropped from the system ASAP. Why? Because you cannot play two trundlers( Arshdeep being another) in a 3 man pace attack. Always always pick two proper pacers capable of bowling 140+ and then one left arm pacer who has got the skills to bowl in different situations. Also, purely on performance, Bhuvi was average in all games except Netherland game. It has been a case in big games every time.

    Secondly, what are selectors trying to achieve by picking an ODI team which doesn't have 7-8 main players who are going to feature in next ODI World Cup? We are ending up building two teams, both of them are good enough for bilaterals but we are not able to pick the best XI that can go out and win the tournament, especially the semis and finals.

    There is no point of selections of Ishan Kishan, Deepak Hooda, Shahbaz Ahmed who are nowhere near the ODI squad selection. Even Samson and Sundar are nowhere close. You play Gill, Shreyas, Samson and Kishan all year and then two months before bring back KL, Rohit, Kohli thinking they will play like the best batsman in the world? That's not going to happen. KL Rahul needs to play all ODI games if he wants to be in the XI. Back the 15 best players and play them all the year.

    As of now, in the social media there is all the talks about intent and fearless cricket from openers but nothing has been done to enforce this policy. We have selected Shikhar Dhawan as captain of the ODI side which basically means he is very much in the scheme of Indian ODI team for World Cup next year and it is unlikely that a Shaw or Pant will be given a start for next year's World Cup.

    It will most likely be Dhawan(whose SR by the way is close to 80 in this decade after playing lot of games vs minnows) opening with Rohit and backup option being Gill. A semi final exit shouldn't be seen as a surprise again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cover Drive Six View Post
    Well done BCCI.

    Reasons for Chetan Sharma's sacking :

    - Not being able to make a settled squad with 8 captains in 1 just a year.

    - Loss in Asia Cup and T20 World Cup.
    - Picking KL Rahul after 8 months gap.
    - Not picking domestic and IPL performers.
    - Workload management.
    - Picking useless spinner Ashwin

    But question is why only Chetan Sharma, what about Dravid-Rohit duo?
    Exactly what about Dravid Rohit? This decision implies that issue was only selection , almost a farce to say the least, esp how they kept playing Rahul again and again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Exactly what about Dravid Rohit? This decision implies that issue was only selection , almost a farce to say the least, esp how they kept playing Rahul again and again!
    India needs a different coaching setup along with captain and selectors for T20Is. These Dravid, Lakshman types are 20 years behind run rate. Need strategies, proper matchups along with aggression

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Just firing selectors is not enough. Bold decisions needs to be taken in terms of team selection by the team management and captain too. It is a worriesome situation for Indian LOI side because they will not get a golden chance like next year's ODI World Cup in home conditions to win the tournament anytime soon.

    After the World T20 debacle, atleast two major decisions need to be implemented straightaway. One is to back right pacers and other is to pick one batsman at the top who plays with fearless intent in powerplay.

    Firstly, Bhuvi needs to be dropped from the system ASAP. Why? Because you cannot play two trundlers( Arshdeep being another) in a 3 man pace attack. Always always pick two proper pacers capable of bowling 140+ and then one left arm pacer who has got the skills to bowl in different situations. Also, purely on performance, Bhuvi was average in all games except Netherland game. It has been a case in big games every time.

    Secondly, what are selectors trying to achieve by picking an ODI team which doesn't have 7-8 main players who are going to feature in next ODI World Cup? We are ending up building two teams, both of them are good enough for bilaterals but we are not able to pick the best XI that can go out and win the tournament, especially the semis and finals.

    There is no point of selections of Ishan Kishan, Deepak Hooda, Shahbaz Ahmed who are nowhere near the ODI squad selection. Even Samson and Sundar are nowhere close. You play Gill, Shreyas, Samson and Kishan all year and then two months before bring back KL, Rohit, Kohli thinking they will play like the best batsman in the world? That's not going to happen. KL Rahul needs to play all ODI games if he wants to be in the XI. Back the 15 best players and play them all the year.

    As of now, in the social media there is all the talks about intent and fearless cricket from openers but nothing has been done to enforce this policy. We have selected Shikhar Dhawan as captain of the ODI side which basically means he is very much in the scheme of Indian ODI team for World Cup next year and it is unlikely that a Shaw or Pant will be given a start for next year's World Cup.

    It will most likely be Dhawan(whose SR by the way is close to 80 in this decade after playing lot of games vs minnows) opening with Rohit and backup option being Gill. A semi final exit shouldn't be seen as a surprise again.
    India is building a football team. A replacement for every player in the batting and bowling slots. Somewhere, it's lost that there are no substitutes in games. Bench strength is good but clearly Rohit and Rahul looked undercooked in the WC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    How does everyone in the PCB retain their jobs is beyond me!
    Most likely PCB along side our deluded fanbase are thinking that this world cup was a success . That's the only explanation

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    Fair call. Well done.

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    Unlike us they want to improve and win. We will twiddle our thumbs happy we made the final and '23 will be a disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GLORY OF '92 View Post
    Unlike us they want to improve and win. We will twiddle our thumbs happy we made the final and '23 will be a disaster.
    Take responsibility.

    If the results are not there take ownership, whether you are the skipper, selector or coach.

    In Pakistan cricket it's pass the buck and blame others.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChTab View Post
    Most likely PCB along side our deluded fanbase are thinking that this world cup was a success . That's the only explanation
    Ramiz Raja will send out a legal notice if you think it wasn’t a success

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    Hope Ramiz does the same . Hope he also fires the coaches and appoint someone without getting endorsement from Maulana TJ .

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    Hope Ramiz does the same . Hope he also fires the coaches and appoint someone without getting endorsement from Maulana TJ .
    Ramiz will have to fire himself

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    India is building a football team. A replacement for every player in the batting and bowling slots. Somewhere, it's lost that there are no substitutes in games. Bench strength is good but clearly Rohit and Rahul looked undercooked in the WC.
    This is already a very very late reaction. 2021 world T20 loss, Asia cup elimination, Now this one.

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    strange ppl wanna sack pak selectors when pakistan have reached the final of the asia cup and wt20, have the best bowling attack in t20s, and are let down by the batsmen, about which no selector could do anything, there simply arent any good batsman in pak atm.

    paks issue is test matches, but pak dont play enough tests to ever challenge to be a world class test team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElRaja View Post
    strange ppl wanna sack pak selectors when pakistan have reached the final of the asia cup and wt20, have the best bowling attack in t20s, and are let down by the batsmen, about which no selector could do anything, there simply arent any good batsman in pak atm.

    paks issue is test matches, but pak dont play enough tests to ever challenge to be a world class test team.
    You are right. This is possibly the best line up Pakistan can come up with may be with a few changes to squad. Pakistan issue is order of playing XI unlike India's problem where a completely different team can easily whitewash the current Indian team in a T20 series

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    How does everyone in the PCB retain their jobs is beyond me!
    Because no one gets hired on merit. ... everyone is a political or nepotism based appointment ,,, aik hamaam mein sab nangay hain aur sab mill kar khaa rahay hain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElRaja View Post
    strange ppl wanna sack pak selectors when pakistan have reached the final of the asia cup and wt20, have the best bowling attack in t20s, and are let down by the batsmen, about which no selector could do anything, there simply arent any good batsman in pak atm.

    paks issue is test matches, but pak dont play enough tests to ever challenge to be a world class test team.
    How we reached the finals?
    If our selectors were truly this good to select a team with no middle order then perhaps we can gift our selectors to Netherlands as a token of Thanks.
    I am sure even Dutch won't take them.

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    Board Chief
    Captain
    Snr players
    Head coach
    Batting/bowling coach
    Fielding coach
    Selectors

    hanging fruits order.
    Selectors are lowest hanging fruits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    India is building a football team. A replacement for every player in the batting and bowling slots. Somewhere, it's lost that there are no substitutes in games. Bench strength is good but clearly Rohit and Rahul looked undercooked in the WC.
    The concern is that those two guys and Dhawan will be in our first XI going into 2023 World Cup which could well be a recipe for disaster for us.

    I would back Rohit as this is ODI format and once he is set, he can really make an impact but Dhawan and Rahul are just not in the right zone which you need for winning the World Cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    The concern is that those two guys and Dhawan will be in our first XI going into 2023 World Cup which could well be a recipe for disaster for us.

    I would back Rohit as this is ODI format and once he is set, he can really make an impact but Dhawan and Rahul are just not in the right zone which you need for winning the World Cup.
    It is one of those phase where 3 or 4 players who are past by sell date playing together. Hard to remove all of them at the same time. They will do one by one. During this phase India will lose a lot of tournaments. Lot of overseas test series as well. Dhawan should not even be playing given his strike rate let alone captaining the side.

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    Rahul, Dhawan, even Rohit should nowhere near the ODI team if India want to perform well in the world cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    India is building a football team. A replacement for every player in the batting and bowling slots. Somewhere, it's lost that there are no substitutes in games. Bench strength is good but clearly Rohit and Rahul looked undercooked in the WC.
    They were not undercooked. You just need to release that they are not good enough.

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    Among the few changes veterans and experts have called for after India's yet another disappointing outing in the T20 World Cup, split captaincy was among them. England and Australia were among the first cricketing nations to identify a different red ball and white-ball teams led by different skippers. Few had previously questioned if India should go the England way, but the idea of split captaincy was always brushed aside by the BCCI. But as per reports, the new selection committee is likely to be mandated to choose captains across three formats.

    The BCCI on Friday sacked the entire Chetan Sharma-led National Selection Committee after a poor T20 World Cup result where India lost to England in the semis. BCCI have already called for fresh applicants for the post, the last date of application being November 28.

    The qualification criteria for the posts remain the same as it was before. "Should have played a minimum of 7 Test matches or 30 First Class matches, or 10 ODI and 20 First Class matches," read the official BCCI statement. "Should have retired from the game at least 5 years ago and no person who has been a member of any Cricket Committee (as defined in the rules and regulations of BCCI) for a total of 5 years shall be eligible to be a member of the Men's Selection Committee."

    According to PTI, their first instruction would however be to pick captains across the three formats. This could mean that Rohit Sharma might retain his captaincy post for ODIs and Test cricket while Hardik Pandya could be looked at as a T20I captain till the 2024 T20 World Cup in USA and West Indies.

    The report also adds that, the chairman of selectors would have to address the media with regards to team related queries.

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    Always pick the XI then the captain. Sometimes undeserved players are in the side just because they are captains. Dhawan is one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Always pick the XI then the captain. Sometimes undeserved players are in the side just because they are captains. Dhawan is one.
    Rohit is another one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    It is one of those phase where 3 or 4 players who are past by sell date playing together. Hard to remove all of them at the same time. They will do one by one. During this phase India will lose a lot of tournaments. Lot of overseas test series as well. Dhawan should not even be playing given his strike rate let alone captaining the side.
    Its not hard to remove them if the BCCI isn't spineless as its been since Dhoni's days as be-all and end-all of Indian cricket.

    And no, its not difficult to remove Dhawan of all people. He is played in ODIs only and hence easily expendable. If BCCI had any balls, he'd have been dumped long ago.

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    Bit harsh to call it a debacle. They did make the semis after all lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cover Drive Six View Post
    Reasons for Chetan Sharma's sacking :

    - Not being able to make a settled squad with 8 captains in 1 just a year.
    - Loss in Asia Cup and T20 World Cup.
    - Picking KL Rahul after 8 months gap.
    - Not picking domestic and IPL performers.
    - Workload management.
    - Picking useless spinner Ashwin
    + getting hit for six by Javed Miandad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpool_Faizan View Post
    Bit harsh to call it a debacle. They did make the semis after all lol
    The only match they won against a non minnow was against Pakistan, and they were outplayed for 37 overs of the match.

    Even against Bangladesh, they were saved by the rain. Ad to this the way they were completely trashed by SA and the humiliation vs England. It nearly couldn't have been worse than this.
    It was a spectacular debacle.

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    They deserve it for selecting duds like Harshal Patel, Axar Patel, Deepak Hooda and consistent failures in T20s like Pant. Just look at the last two teams they selected. Hopefully new selectors will give consistent chances to guys like Umran, Gill, Shaw, Samson, Iyer and Kishan and get rid of KL Rahul, Karthik, Rohit and even Kohli in T20s. It is better to have a separate captain(Pandya preferably) for T20s and separate for ODIs and Tests.

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    I dont think people realise how unprofessional BCCI is . They are probably the worst now even in South Asia. Pakistan, BD, and SL have all embraced modern T20 templates for selection and strategy and the BCCI babus are either completely ignorant or wilfully unobservant. You can blame Dravid or the players all you want but the real issue is that pathetic organization called the BCCI.


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    But but but, we were told India had a good World Cup campaign?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpool_Faizan View Post
    Bit harsh to call it a debacle. They did make the semis after all lol
    They are honest about their performance

    Pakistan and it’s fans are purposely being ignorant

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    Step 1 : Filter out players who won't even be in your 15 man squad + 3 reserves. You don't need to give them even 1 game to have a look at. Just play them in T20s for now. This needs to be done right now.

    My 15 man ODI squad for World Cup 2023:-

    1. Rohit
    2. Gill( no Dhawan)
    3. Kohli
    4. S Iyer/Pant( in middle overs, can destroy spin, clutch batsman)
    5. Pant/Suryakumar ( at 5, either of the two can accelerate pretty well vs all bowling attacks and Pant can be used as backup opener in case of anyone's injury during WC)
    6. Pandya
    7. Jadeja
    8. Shami
    9. Siraj
    10. Bumrah
    11. Chahal

    12. Suryakumar/KL Rahul ( backup middle order and backup keeper)
    13. Axar/Sundar( Jadeja's backup)
    14. Shardul( bowling all rounder)
    15. Kuldeep

    Reserves :

    16. Prasidh/Arshdeep( any 1 of two)
    17. Shaw( reserve opener)
    18. Bishnoi

    Only these 18-20 players should be playing ODIs in my opinion. No need to play Kishan, Hooda, Samson, Ruturaj, Umran, Shahbaz in ODIs etc because they won't even be in your reserves let alone in the XI.

    After the elimination process is done, time for selection process which is Step 2.

    Step 2:- Pick the right players in the 15 man squad Between Pant, Suryakumar, KLR and Shreyas. Pick the right backup all rounder options for Pandya and Jadeja. Pick the right bowlers options as backup. This is what we need to do in next one year before the 2023 World Cup.

    Step 3:- Finalise the best 11 for World Cup. This can be done just before the World Cup.

    This is how we need to proceed. At the moment, we are playing 4-5 players who aren't even in our best 18 for ODIs.

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    This is 2nd worst performance for India after 2007 odi worldcup

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorblind Genius View Post
    How we reached the finals?
    If our selectors were truly this good to select a team with no middle order then perhaps we can gift our selectors to Netherlands as a token of Thanks.
    I am sure even Dutch won't take them.
    Pakistan have been one of the better t20 teams in the world because of their bowling attack, if u wnt to believe there are magical wonder batters waiting in the wings who have been hard done by the selectors and would have made this team into champions you are free to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElRaja View Post
    Pakistan have been one of the better t20 teams in the world because of their bowling attack, if u wnt to believe there are magical wonder batters waiting in the wings who have been hard done by the selectors and would have made this team into champions you are free to do so.
    Pakistan drafted in a 1 t20i cap player out of emergency in their squad midway and he was the best T20 player in the side

    Please stop with this Misbah rhetoric nonsense of ‘no talented players waiting in the domestics’

    Pakistan is a poorly managed white ball side ever since Mickey was ousted

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    Thread is about India.


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    The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) took its first major decision regarding the men's team under the new president Roger Binny as the board sacked the entire selection committee after India's failure to win a single big tournament and the T20 World Cup exit in the semi-finals seemed to be the final nail in the coffin. The tenure was reaching its two-year completion next month, however, the board decided to act upon it a few weeks before.

    The five member-panel led by former Indian fast bowler Chetan Sharma, Abey Kuruvilla, Debasis Mohanty, Sunil Joshi and Harvinder Singh was appointed in December 2020. While the committee took some big decisions regarding transition in Test cricket, captaincy across formats, however, one thing that stuck out evident in the last couple of years was inconsistency in selection.
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    1. Inconsistency in selection

    A player got selected just after the IPL, stayed with the squad for a few series but was removed suddenly without playing a game and but if someone was injured, he returned to the squad. For e.g., Sanju Samson, who led the Rajasthan Royals to the final of the IPL 2022, wasn't part of the home T20Is against South Africa in June but was picked for the Ireland series. Samson played the second and the final T20I but wasn't part of the playing XI in the first T20I against England despite being in the squad.

    Samson returned in the ODI series against West Indies and was preferred ahead of Ishan Kishan before being named in the T20Is as well, replacing KL Rahul. Samson, who is considered one of the best impact players in the middle-overs, played the last the last two T20I and all three ODIs, followed by the Zimbabwe series. Samson scored a couple of half-centuries and a match-winning 43*, however, was snubbed again for the T20 assignments when the regulars returned. In 6 T20Is, Samson has played in 2022, he averages 44.75 with a strike rate of 158.41. But, was nowhere to be seen in the T20 World Cup squad. Similar thing took place with Venkatesh Iyer, who was called in after the IPL 2021 but a couple of bad games and isn't in the scheme of things anymore.

    2. The Virat Kohli Saga

    Contradictions in statements, uninformed decisions and sudden resignation - Virat Kohli's captaincy saga was one of the infamous episodes in the last couple of years in the Indian cricket. Kohli had decided to give up T20 captaincy after the T20 World Cup 2021, which he had announced even before the tournament. However, a month later, he was removed from ODI captaincy as well by the selectors as they wanted one white-ball captain. While the erstwhile BCCI president Sourav Ganguly and Sharma had said that they asked Kohli to reconsider his decision of giving up captaincy in T20s, the former captain contradicted both of them saying that he was informed just 90 minutes before the meeting that he was being removed as the ODI captain as well. A month later, following loss to South Africa (1-2), Kohli gave up captaincy in the longest format as well.

    3. Transition in Test matches

    Better late than never! After some lacklustre performances by the seniors, the Indian Test team was asking for transition in the longest format. However, the new management under head coach Rahul Dravid showed faith and took the likes of Cheteshwar Pujara and Ajinkya Rahane to South Africa. But losses in South Africa gave them a reality check and they decided to move on not just from the two veteran batters but wicket-keeper Wriddhiman Saha and experienced pacer Ishant Sharma too were axed as the Men in Blue moved towards a new phase in the longest format. While Pujara did return to the side after an oustanding County season, it seems we may have seen the last of other three as the likes of Shreyas Iyer, Shubman Gill, KS Bharat and Hanuma Vihari were given regular chances.

    4. Lack of press conferences (accountability)

    In last one year, the panel has addressed just two press conferences. Nothing before the Asia Cup, the T20 World Cup this year, nothing after IPL, especially when questionable selections were made - omission of Prithvi Shaw, persistence with Avesh Khan, Ashwin-Shami getting called up just before the two multi-team events after not playing T20s for almost a year. Whether it was furore over Hardik Pandya's fitness last year or the lack of accountability on decisions surrounding Virat Kohli's captaincy, it just became worse and worse. Yes, the chairman Sharma did address the conference for the selection of squads for New Zealand and Bangladesh, but as it turned out, it was one, probably too late.

    https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/...ticle-95619653


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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    Its not hard to remove them if the BCCI isn't spineless as its been since Dhoni's days as be-all and end-all of Indian cricket.

    And no, its not difficult to remove Dhawan of all people. He is played in ODIs only and hence easily expendable. If BCCI had any balls, he'd have been dumped long ago.
    They are scared of facing the uncomfortable moment of showing the door to another senior. So they just made him captain. Krish srikkanth was the captain of famous Pakistan tour. India drew all 4 tests. Next series Srikkant lost his captaincy and also his spot in the squad. I don't think current selectors have the same wherewhithal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) took its first major decision regarding the men's team under the new president Roger Binny as the board sacked the entire selection committee after India's failure to win a single big tournament and the T20 World Cup exit in the semi-finals seemed to be the final nail in the coffin. The tenure was reaching its two-year completion next month, however, the board decided to act upon it a few weeks before.

    The five member-panel led by former Indian fast bowler Chetan Sharma, Abey Kuruvilla, Debasis Mohanty, Sunil Joshi and Harvinder Singh was appointed in December 2020. While the committee took some big decisions regarding transition in Test cricket, captaincy across formats, however, one thing that stuck out evident in the last couple of years was inconsistency in selection.
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    1. Inconsistency in selection

    A player got selected just after the IPL, stayed with the squad for a few series but was removed suddenly without playing a game and but if someone was injured, he returned to the squad. For e.g., Sanju Samson, who led the Rajasthan Royals to the final of the IPL 2022, wasn't part of the home T20Is against South Africa in June but was picked for the Ireland series. Samson played the second and the final T20I but wasn't part of the playing XI in the first T20I against England despite being in the squad.

    Samson returned in the ODI series against West Indies and was preferred ahead of Ishan Kishan before being named in the T20Is as well, replacing KL Rahul. Samson, who is considered one of the best impact players in the middle-overs, played the last the last two T20I and all three ODIs, followed by the Zimbabwe series. Samson scored a couple of half-centuries and a match-winning 43*, however, was snubbed again for the T20 assignments when the regulars returned. In 6 T20Is, Samson has played in 2022, he averages 44.75 with a strike rate of 158.41. But, was nowhere to be seen in the T20 World Cup squad. Similar thing took place with Venkatesh Iyer, who was called in after the IPL 2021 but a couple of bad games and isn't in the scheme of things anymore.

    2. The Virat Kohli Saga

    Contradictions in statements, uninformed decisions and sudden resignation - Virat Kohli's captaincy saga was one of the infamous episodes in the last couple of years in the Indian cricket. Kohli had decided to give up T20 captaincy after the T20 World Cup 2021, which he had announced even before the tournament. However, a month later, he was removed from ODI captaincy as well by the selectors as they wanted one white-ball captain. While the erstwhile BCCI president Sourav Ganguly and Sharma had said that they asked Kohli to reconsider his decision of giving up captaincy in T20s, the former captain contradicted both of them saying that he was informed just 90 minutes before the meeting that he was being removed as the ODI captain as well. A month later, following loss to South Africa (1-2), Kohli gave up captaincy in the longest format as well.

    3. Transition in Test matches

    Better late than never! After some lacklustre performances by the seniors, the Indian Test team was asking for transition in the longest format. However, the new management under head coach Rahul Dravid showed faith and took the likes of Cheteshwar Pujara and Ajinkya Rahane to South Africa. But losses in South Africa gave them a reality check and they decided to move on not just from the two veteran batters but wicket-keeper Wriddhiman Saha and experienced pacer Ishant Sharma too were axed as the Men in Blue moved towards a new phase in the longest format. While Pujara did return to the side after an oustanding County season, it seems we may have seen the last of other three as the likes of Shreyas Iyer, Shubman Gill, KS Bharat and Hanuma Vihari were given regular chances.

    4. Lack of press conferences (accountability)

    In last one year, the panel has addressed just two press conferences. Nothing before the Asia Cup, the T20 World Cup this year, nothing after IPL, especially when questionable selections were made - omission of Prithvi Shaw, persistence with Avesh Khan, Ashwin-Shami getting called up just before the two multi-team events after not playing T20s for almost a year. Whether it was furore over Hardik Pandya's fitness last year or the lack of accountability on decisions surrounding Virat Kohli's captaincy, it just became worse and worse. Yes, the chairman Sharma did address the conference for the selection of squads for New Zealand and Bangladesh, but as it turned out, it was one, probably too late.

    https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/...ticle-95619653
    Amazing

    Good, proactive board!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) took its first major decision regarding the men's team under the new president Roger Binny as the board sacked the entire selection committee after India's failure to win a single big tournament and the T20 World Cup exit in the semi-finals seemed to be the final nail in the coffin. The tenure was reaching its two-year completion next month, however, the board decided to act upon it a few weeks before.

    The five member-panel led by former Indian fast bowler Chetan Sharma, Abey Kuruvilla, Debasis Mohanty, Sunil Joshi and Harvinder Singh was appointed in December 2020. While the committee took some big decisions regarding transition in Test cricket, captaincy across formats, however, one thing that stuck out evident in the last couple of years was inconsistency in selection.
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    Here's a look at key takeaways from the selection panel's tenure as the board invites fresh application for a new committee:

    1. Inconsistency in selection

    A player got selected just after the IPL, stayed with the squad for a few series but was removed suddenly without playing a game and but if someone was injured, he returned to the squad. For e.g., Sanju Samson, who led the Rajasthan Royals to the final of the IPL 2022, wasn't part of the home T20Is against South Africa in June but was picked for the Ireland series. Samson played the second and the final T20I but wasn't part of the playing XI in the first T20I against England despite being in the squad.

    Samson returned in the ODI series against West Indies and was preferred ahead of Ishan Kishan before being named in the T20Is as well, replacing KL Rahul. Samson, who is considered one of the best impact players in the middle-overs, played the last the last two T20I and all three ODIs, followed by the Zimbabwe series. Samson scored a couple of half-centuries and a match-winning 43*, however, was snubbed again for the T20 assignments when the regulars returned. In 6 T20Is, Samson has played in 2022, he averages 44.75 with a strike rate of 158.41. But, was nowhere to be seen in the T20 World Cup squad. Similar thing took place with Venkatesh Iyer, who was called in after the IPL 2021 but a couple of bad games and isn't in the scheme of things anymore.

    2. The Virat Kohli Saga

    Contradictions in statements, uninformed decisions and sudden resignation - Virat Kohli's captaincy saga was one of the infamous episodes in the last couple of years in the Indian cricket. Kohli had decided to give up T20 captaincy after the T20 World Cup 2021, which he had announced even before the tournament. However, a month later, he was removed from ODI captaincy as well by the selectors as they wanted one white-ball captain. While the erstwhile BCCI president Sourav Ganguly and Sharma had said that they asked Kohli to reconsider his decision of giving up captaincy in T20s, the former captain contradicted both of them saying that he was informed just 90 minutes before the meeting that he was being removed as the ODI captain as well. A month later, following loss to South Africa (1-2), Kohli gave up captaincy in the longest format as well.

    3. Transition in Test matches

    Better late than never! After some lacklustre performances by the seniors, the Indian Test team was asking for transition in the longest format. However, the new management under head coach Rahul Dravid showed faith and took the likes of Cheteshwar Pujara and Ajinkya Rahane to South Africa. But losses in South Africa gave them a reality check and they decided to move on not just from the two veteran batters but wicket-keeper Wriddhiman Saha and experienced pacer Ishant Sharma too were axed as the Men in Blue moved towards a new phase in the longest format. While Pujara did return to the side after an oustanding County season, it seems we may have seen the last of other three as the likes of Shreyas Iyer, Shubman Gill, KS Bharat and Hanuma Vihari were given regular chances.

    4. Lack of press conferences (accountability)

    In last one year, the panel has addressed just two press conferences. Nothing before the Asia Cup, the T20 World Cup this year, nothing after IPL, especially when questionable selections were made - omission of Prithvi Shaw, persistence with Avesh Khan, Ashwin-Shami getting called up just before the two multi-team events after not playing T20s for almost a year. Whether it was furore over Hardik Pandya's fitness last year or the lack of accountability on decisions surrounding Virat Kohli's captaincy, it just became worse and worse. Yes, the chairman Sharma did address the conference for the selection of squads for New Zealand and Bangladesh, but as it turned out, it was one, probably too late.

    https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/...ticle-95619653
    This is only half of it. Several bizarre, random decisions were made by this panel. Not exactly the brighest bulbs. Good riddance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    This is only half of it. Several bizarre, random decisions were made by this panel. Not exactly the brighest bulbs. Good riddance.
    This Chetan Sharma guy is especially dumb. How could they make someone like him as chairman of selectors is beyond me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    This Chetan Sharma guy is especially dumb. How could they make someone like him as chairman of selectors is beyond me!
    What about Dhawan and Rahul in ODI World Cup 2023? Why can't we drop them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Step 1 : Filter out players who won't even be in your 15 man squad + 3 reserves. You don't need to give them even 1 game to have a look at. Just play them in T20s for now. This needs to be done right now.

    My 15 man ODI squad for World Cup 2023:-

    1. Rohit
    2. Gill( no Dhawan)
    3. Kohli
    4. S Iyer/Pant( in middle overs, can destroy spin, clutch batsman)
    5. Pant/Suryakumar ( at 5, either of the two can accelerate pretty well vs all bowling attacks and Pant can be used as backup opener in case of anyone's injury during WC)
    6. Pandya
    7. Jadeja
    8. Shami
    9. Siraj
    10. Bumrah
    11. Chahal

    12. Suryakumar/KL Rahul ( backup middle order and backup keeper)
    13. Axar/Sundar( Jadeja's backup)
    14. Shardul( bowling all rounder)
    15. Kuldeep

    Reserves :

    16. Prasidh/Arshdeep( any 1 of two)
    17. Shaw( reserve opener)
    18. Bishnoi

    Only these 18-20 players should be playing ODIs in my opinion. No need to play Kishan, Hooda, Samson, Ruturaj, Umran, Shahbaz in ODIs etc because they won't even be in your reserves let alone in the XI.

    After the elimination process is done, time for selection process which is Step 2.

    Step 2:- Pick the right players in the 15 man squad Between Pant, Suryakumar, KLR and Shreyas. Pick the right backup all rounder options for Pandya and Jadeja. Pick the right bowlers options as backup. This is what we need to do in next one year before the 2023 World Cup.

    Step 3:- Finalise the best 11 for World Cup. This can be done just before the World Cup.

    This is how we need to proceed. At the moment, we are playing 4-5 players who aren't even in our best 18 for ODIs.

    No need to play Kishan, Hooda, Samson, Ruturaj, Umran, Shahbaz in ODIs etc because they won't even be in your reserves let alone in the XI.

    Lol you are as clueless as the selectors who got fired by BCCI. We should try Kishan, Umran and Ruturaj in ODIs. And how can you drop a player like Samson who is averaging 73 something in ODIs? His name has been popping the most ever since these selectors were fired by BCCI. He didn't get consistent chances still he managed to perform well. Don't be so insecure we should try all these players before the world cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElRaja View Post
    strange ppl wanna sack pak selectors when pakistan have reached the final of the asia cup and wt20, have the best bowling attack in t20s, and are let down by the batsmen, about which no selector could do anything, there simply arent any good batsman in pak atm.

    paks issue is test matches, but pak dont play enough tests to ever challenge to be a world class test team.
    Asia cup loss, England 7 match home series, then this WT20, had so many chances...

    Pakistan had better batsman in the domestics, they had many players to form the middle order, Kamran Ghulam, Agha Salman, Umar Amin, Haris Sohail etc , but this selector, coach, captain bunch feed each other with their friends Asif Ali, Khusdil Shah, Usman Qadir etc. who all went on a paid vacation. Did u look at the way how Asif Ali was bounced out, Khusdil gives regulation catch to keeper OMG they are not even club level selected to represent national side in WT20..

    Just sack whoever was backing Asif Ali, Khusdil Shah no matter what if it was Babar or Rizwan or Saqi or Wasim...
    Haris who was in reserves brought in and performed miles better than the selected players, changed their fortunes which end in the final for them..

    Pace bowling has gone from strength to strenght ever since Waqar was removed and when they rope in Vernon and Tait .. Thats what happens , get rid of leeches hire better people in and results will obviously improve..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    No need to play Kishan, Hooda, Samson, Ruturaj, Umran, Shahbaz in ODIs etc because they won't even be in your reserves let alone in the XI.

    Lol you are as clueless as the selectors who got fired by BCCI. We should try Kishan, Umran and Ruturaj in ODIs. And how can you drop a player like Samson who is averaging 73 something in ODIs? His name has been popping the most ever since these selectors were fired by BCCI. He didn't get consistent chances still he managed to perform well. Don't be so insecure we should try all these players before the world cup.
    Isn't he saying right? What is the point of trying everyone when ultimately in World Cup, we will go with only 15 names? Also, in ODI World Cup, Rohit and Kohli will be playing anyways, Dhawan is also there and there will be Gill, Pant, Suryakumar Yadav, Iyer and KL Rahul also.

    Where is the place for Kishan, Ruturaj, Hooda etc to play? In T20s, we can try them because the news for filling youngsters is popping out in that format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic View Post
    Isn't he saying right? What is the point of trying everyone when ultimately in World Cup, we will go with only 15 names? Also, in ODI World Cup, Rohit and Kohli will be playing anyways, Dhawan is also there and there will be Gill, Pant, Suryakumar Yadav, Iyer and KL Rahul also.

    Where is the place for Kishan, Ruturaj, Hooda etc to play? In T20s, we can try them because the news for filling youngsters is popping out in that format.
    Sorry but you are also looking clueless like him and those fired selectors. You can't just try 15 players and keep recycling them over and over again. What if 2 of them out of those 15 get injured right before the world cup? Who will replace them? And will their replacements have enough games under their belt? This is a stupid idea lol. Think again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Pakistan drafted in a 1 t20i cap player out of emergency in their squad midway and he was the best T20 player in the side

    Please stop with this Misbah rhetoric nonsense of ‘no talented players waiting in the domestics’

    Pakistan is a poorly managed white ball side ever since Mickey was ousted
    Definitely he was fixing the white ball team and closing in all the gaps, like the top order which often fails to score runs and get the team into trouble with early wickets and slow playing in PP .. Got rid of the leech Shehzad ,, had Sharjeel, Fakhar to take the charges in PP coping with support players around like Imam and Babar.. Pak is still benefiiting from the top order he formed 3 years ago.. Thats what professional coach do, form a unit for the future... Look what MISBAH and Waqar had done being in power for almost 6-7 years in a decade..

    Im sure with Malik-Hafeez gone and with the emergence of Haider Ali in the PSL he would have formed the line up that is hard to beat.. Unfortunate for Haider to miss debuting under MA... but one thing that shaped up now after MIS-WAQ gone was the fast bowling unit..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Sorry but you are also looking clueless like him and those fired selectors. You can't just try 15 players and keep recycling them over and over again. What if 2 of them out of those 15 get injured right before the world cup? Who will replace them? And will their replacements have enough games under their belt? This is a stupid idea lol. Think again.
    They are not making a place even in 18 let alone 15. You seriously think Gill, Shreyas Iyer, Suryakumar, Pant, Rahul all these guys will make it in 15?

    Please respond in a more professional manner if you want to have a thorough debate in future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    Asia cup loss, England 7 match home series, then this WT20, had so many chances...

    Pakistan had better batsman in the domestics, they had many players to form the middle order, Kamran Ghulam, Agha Salman, Umar Amin, Haris Sohail etc , but this selector, coach, captain bunch feed each other with their friends Asif Ali, Khusdil Shah, Usman Qadir etc. who all went on a paid vacation. Did u look at the way how Asif Ali was bounced out, Khusdil gives regulation catch to keeper OMG they are not even club level selected to represent national side in WT20..

    Just sack whoever was backing Asif Ali, Khusdil Shah no matter what if it was Babar or Rizwan or Saqi or Wasim...
    Haris who was in reserves brought in and performed miles better than the selected players, changed their fortunes which end in the final for them..

    Pace bowling has gone from strength to strenght ever since Waqar was removed and when they rope in Vernon and Tait .. Thats what happens , get rid of leeches hire better people in and results will obviously improve..
    kamran ghulam - 120 s/r
    agha salman - 110 s/r
    umar main - 120 s/r
    haris sohail - 110 s/r

    none of them are power hitters, all are accumulators, and none have outperformed (in s/r terms) asif or khushdil in domestics. Pakistan didn't lose due to a lack of nudgers and nurdlers.

    asif ali despite his shortcomings had won Pakistan games before the wt20, and khushdil was a total failure, but id rather players get 10 extra games rather than 10 too few.

    there is nothing to prove selectors left more capable batsman out of the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic View Post
    They are not making a place even in 18 let alone 15. You seriously think Gill, Shreyas Iyer, Suryakumar, Pant, Rahul all these guys will make it in 15?

    Please respond in a more professional manner if you want to have a thorough debate in future.
    Improve your comprehension first lol. Nobody is saying that all of them will be selected at the same time. It is about giving some of them enough games before the world cup because any player can get injured especially after 3 months of circus. Just like those selectors you are also not thinking professionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    No need to play Kishan, Hooda, Samson, Ruturaj, Umran, Shahbaz in ODIs etc because they won't even be in your reserves let alone in the XI.

    Lol you are as clueless as the selectors who got fired by BCCI. We should try Kishan, Umran and Ruturaj in ODIs. And how can you drop a player like Samson who is averaging 73 something in ODIs? His name has been popping the most ever since these selectors were fired by BCCI. He didn't get consistent chances still he managed to perform well. Don't be so insecure we should try all these players before the world cup.
    LMAO, Bhaag Viru of all people calling others in this forum as clueless

    So you didn't even cared to read the list of 18 players I mentioned in that post and just started insulting randomly without any context?

    Why only Ishan Kishan and Ruturaj? Also give chances to Patidar, Tripathi and dozen other players who are playing in IPL? We are supposed to field 50 players in the next ODI World Cup because afterall the champion will be decided on who can field how many player in the team?

    At the moment, less than 1 year is left for ODI World Cup and the most likely batting will be Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli, Pant, KL and Pandya. Then backups will be Gill and Suryakumar. This leaves no place in the squad for Shreyas Iyer or Sanju Samson or Deepak Hooda and you want to try Ishan Kishan and Ruturaj also lol?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic View Post
    Isn't he saying right? What is the point of trying everyone when ultimately in World Cup, we will go with only 15 names? Also, in ODI World Cup, Rohit and Kohli will be playing anyways, Dhawan is also there and there will be Gill, Pant, Suryakumar Yadav, Iyer and KL Rahul also.

    Where is the place for Kishan, Ruturaj, Hooda etc to play? In T20s, we can try them because the news for filling youngsters is popping out in that format.
    My suggestion to you, don't waste your time quoting him on this forum because he doesn't have anything logical to add as far as posting is concerned. He will just insult you inspite of he himself is aware that his IQ level is worse than those selectors who got fired by BCCI.

    All he cares is how he can link Rishabh Pant with every single post and try to make a case for someone else not getting as much chances as him. He was a Dinesh Karthik and KL Rahul supporter during the T20 World Cup which backfired terribly and now he has become a Samson and Kishan supporter and will quote you that misleading 70 average every single time. He gets nightmare of Pant and that is how he deals with it to make his life feel better. He probably has forgotten the last ODI match vs a top team that Pant played, he won them by hitting a match winning hundred vs England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    My suggestion to you, don't waste your time quoting him on this forum because he doesn't have anything logical to add as far as posting is concerned. He will just insult you inspite of he himself is aware that his IQ level is worse than those selectors who got fired by BCCI.

    All he cares is how he can link Rishabh Pant with every single post and try to make a case for someone else not getting as much chances as him. He was a Dinesh Karthik and KL Rahul supporter during the T20 World Cup which fired terribly and now he has become a Samson and Kishan supporter and will quote you that misleading 70 average every single time. He gets nightmare of Pant and that is how he deals with it to make his life feel better. He probably has forgotten the last ODI match vs a top team that Pant played, he won them by hitting a match winning hundred.
    LMAO I just called you and the other guy clueless based on the players you choose. Nothing else but you are writing essays on me, and discussing my likes and dislikes like an obsessed troll.

    I didn't know I was a dinesh karthik and KL supporter lol? I can pull all your posts in the KL Rahul thread and show who was a die-hard KL supporter not too long ago. Dumb selectors chose a team where KL, Karthik and Pant were in the same squad. I picked Karthik over Pant in that comparison, picked KL over Pant as an opener. The way Pant perfomed it shows I was right in the end. I think I have repeated this 10 times already my first choice were Kishan and Samson as an opener and keeper for the T20 WC but you choose to stay ignorant.

    I understand you had a pretty hard world cup as a Pant supporter but don't try to vent out your frustration on me now. All the guys you support eventually start to go downhill.

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    Actually it is T20 format where you can try these Samson and Kishan because India need to look beyond Rohit, Rahul and Kohli in that format and build a young team. So, Samson and Kishan can be in the T20 squad and that is what the talks is going all about.

    In ODIs, there is simply no place to even try them. Samson himself in not qualifying in the 18 players list, he is behind Shreyas and Suryakumar in the reckoning. In the South Africa ODI series, Iyer was the best batsman and KL/Pant/Surya were rested so technically all these four names are ahead of him and then there is Gill as backup opener. You need to give more matches and more preparations to these guys rather than giving more matches to Kishan/Ruturaj/Hooda. That's common sense really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    LMAO, Bhaag Viru of all people calling others in this forum as clueless

    So you didn't even cared to read the list of 18 players I mentioned in that post and just started insulting randomly without any context?

    Why only Ishan Kishan and Ruturaj? Also give chances to Patidar, Tripathi and dozen other players who are playing in IPL? We are supposed to field 50 players in the next ODI World Cup because afterall the champion will be decided on who can field how many player in the team?

    At the moment, less than 1 year is left for ODI World Cup and the most likely batting will be Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli, Pant, KL and Pandya. Then backups will be Gill and Suryakumar. This leaves no place in the squad for Shreyas Iyer or Sanju Samson or Deepak Hooda and you want to try Ishan Kishan and Ruturaj also lol?
    And who is going to decide that? You lol? I am not going to post my DreamXI team like you but following are the real teams selected by the just fired selectors:

    India ODI squad for New Zealand tour

    Shikhar Dhawan (captain), Rishabh Pant (vice-captain and wicketkeeper), Shubman Gill, Deepak Hooda, Surya Kumar Yadav, Shreyas Iyer, Sanju Samson (wicketkeeper), Washington Sundar, Shardul Thakur, Shahbaz Ahmed, Yuzvendra Chahal, Kuldeep Yadav, Arshdeep Singh, Deepak Chahar, Kuldeep Sen, Umran Malik.

    India squad for Bangladesh ODIs

    Rohit Sharma (captain), KL Rahul (vice-captain), Shikhar Dhawan, Virat Kohli, Rajat Patidar, Shreyas Iyer, Rahul Tripathi, Rishabh Pant (wicketkeeper), Ishan Kishan (wicketkeeper), Ravindra Jadeja, Axar Patel, Washington Sundar, Shardul Thakur, Mohammed Shami, Mohammed Siraj, Deepak Chahar, Yash Dayal.


    Can you see names of Samson, Kishan, Iyer, Tripathi, Patidar, Umran, Yash name? Or shall I gift you a lens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Actually it is T20 format where you can try these Samson and Kishan because India need to look beyond Rohit, Rahul and Kohli in that format and build a young team. So, Samson and Kishan can be in the T20 squad and that is what the talks is going all about.

    In ODIs, there is simply no place to even try them. Samson himself in not qualifying in the 18 players list, he is behind Shreyas and Suryakumar in the reckoning. In the South Africa ODI series, Iyer was the best batsman and KL/Pant/Surya were rested so technically all these four names are ahead of him and then there is Gill as backup opener. You need to give more matches and more preparations to these guys rather than giving more matches to Kishan/Ruturaj/Hooda. That's common sense really.
    It seems you are unaware of the teams selected for NZ and Bangladesh ODI series.

    You will see these names again and again till the next world cup starts. Start getting used to it now.

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    In Bangladesh series, when Rohit, Rahul and Kohli are back, then no Samson in the squad

    Yes, yes buy me a lens because I can't see Samson, Tripathi, Hooda in the squad there lol. The guy ended up making a fool of himself only. There is Pant, Rahul and Shreyas in the squad but no Samson lol.
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    Also, Surya and Hardik will be ahead of Samson for the World Cup squad. They are just given rest now which means Samson doesn't even qualify for the best 18 and this Bhaag Viru guy is insulting posters on saying that we should try the players who will be in the squad more than those who aren't even making the best 18 including the reserves.

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    Except Rohit and Kohli none of the other batsmen have a gauranteed spot in the. squad. Even if Dhawan and Kl dont perform we may see Gill and Samson replace them. Hence over teh next 1 year you will see players ebeing rested against weaker teams and others in periphery being tested. Currently Samson, Hooda and Ishan may not be in the final 15 but can be easily replaced if the likes of KL, Shreyas and even Dhawan take their place foregranted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ex-q-zit View Post
    Except Rohit and Kohli none of the other batsmen have a gauranteed spot in the. squad. Even if Dhawan and Kl dont perform we may see Gill and Samson replace them. Hence over teh next 1 year you will see players ebeing rested against weaker teams and others in periphery being tested. Currently Samson, Hooda and Ishan may not be in the final 15 but can be easily replaced if the likes of KL, Shreyas and even Dhawan take their place foregranted.
    Suryakumar ( for Shreyas) and Gill( for Dhawan) will take their place first before Samson or Kishan comes into consideration.

    Also, it is not very likely that Dhawan or KL Rahul will be dropped. They will go into the World Cup due to senior quota and experience nonsense. Only Shreyas can be dropped and he will be replaced by Surya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    In Bangladesh series, when Rohit, Rahul and Kohli are back, then no Samson in the squad

    Yes, yes buy me a lens because I can't see Samson, Tripathi, Hooda in the squad there lol. The guy ended up making a fool of himself only. There is Pant, Rahul and Shreyas in the squad but no Samson lol.
    All these players will be tested because no team management will play its 15 players in all the matches before the world cup. That is not how it works. Please use that lens properly they picked Samson for NZ tour and Kishan for Bangladesh tour. Umran is in the NZ tour and Yash Dayal is in Bangladesh tour. Samajh aaya kuch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Also, Surya and Hardik will be ahead of Samson for the World Cup squad. They are just given rest now which means Samson doesn't even qualify for the best 18 and this Bhaag Viru guy is insulting posters on saying that we should try the players who will be in the squad more than those who aren't even making the best 18 including the reserves.
    Not agreeing with you is an insult now? I actually backed my talk with squads and logics. Show me one team that plays all their 15 players in all the matches before the world cup? Teams will try different players to fill those spots and if they play better than those who are choosing to rest at that time they can easily make into the world cup. And for those spots I want players like Samson(averaging 73) in ODIs, Umran and Kishan to get regular chances. They have some experience in international cricket so it will be better to give them more exposure in ODIs.

    And learn to understand other's viewpoints also. No need to blame others for insulting you when you are the one making fun of other's opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ex-q-zit View Post
    Except Rohit and Kohli none of the other batsmen have a gauranteed spot in the. squad. Even if Dhawan and Kl dont perform we may see Gill and Samson replace them. Hence over teh next 1 year you will see players ebeing rested against weaker teams and others in periphery being tested. [B[Currently Samson, Hooda and Ishan may not be in the final 15 but can be easily replaced if the likes of KL, Shreyas and even Dhawan take their place foregranted.[/b]
    Exactly and this is what I am saying for the last few posts here. Samson, Kishan, Umran all these players will get a chance but some fans think it is a sin to try new players before the world cup. They are forgetting some players will take rest before IPL, some after IPL and some will get injured before the world cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    All these players will be tested because no team management will play its 15 players in all the matches before the world cup. That is not how it works. Please use that lens properly they picked Samson for NZ tour and Kishan for Bangladesh tour. Umran is in the NZ tour and Yash Dayal is in Bangladesh tour. Samajh aaya kuch?
    One year is not enough to test players who are not even in conversation for best 18 players. They will be in the squad for some series but will barely play.
    This basically means that Samson won't be playing in NZ ODI matches unless there is injury( because middle order will be Shreyas, SKY and Pant).

    In the Bangladesh series, the middle order will be Kohli, KLR, Pant and Shreyas as backup. Again kishan won't be playing.

    Umran and Yash Dayal won't even be selected because Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Prasidh and Arshdeep are ahead. You really think giving 2-3 matches to Yash Dayal or Umran Malik will be enough for them to replace any of the five fast bowlers that I just mentioned above. Even out of those five, 1 will be not selected for World Cup.

    Basically, that's what my point is in the first post that I made which you for no reason quoted and tried insulting. When there is no chance really of Umran Malik or Yash Dayal making it to Indian ODI World Cup squad, why you pick him in these teams? Select the players who are in contention for a place in World Cup, give them more practice and more games because it will be ultimately on their hands. At max only one or two injuries will happen, there will not be half a dozen of injuries.

    If Bumrah gets injured, you still have Shami, Siraj, Prasidh to pick and one of Shardul/Deepak in the squad or Arshdeep in reserves. You just won't need a Yash Dayal at all. Similarly, if KL Rahul gets injured, you have Iyer, SKY and Samson as backups and reserves. You will simply not need a kishan or Ruturaj to have a look at. Just randomly giving chances to everyone will only lead to making of Khichdi and then when we are close to World Cup, we will eliminate all of them and find that the players in the XI didn't even got as much ODI games for preparation and are lacking confidence.
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    Also, this shouldn't be confused with T20s because in T20s, we have two years time so we can play Samson, Umran in that format but in ODIs, it is pointless to pick them. Bhaag Viru,samjhe kuch lol?

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    We have Dhawan playing as captain in NZ. He is currently as pathetic as dhoni was in his last couple of years. Basically nothing is going to change unless we see massive changes within BCCI Till then we will keep losing


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    One year is not enough to test players who are not even in conversation for best 18 players. They will be in the squad for some series but will barely play.
    This basically means that Samson won't be playing in NZ ODI matches unless there is injury( because middle order will be Shreyas, SKY and Pant).

    In the Bangladesh series, the middle order will be Kohli, KLR, Pant and Shreyas as backup. Again kishan won't be playing.

    Umran and Yash Dayal won't even be selected because Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Prasidh and Arshdeep are ahead. You really think giving 2-3 matches to Yash Dayal or Umran Malik will be enough for them to replace any of the five fast bowlers that I just mentioned above. Even out of those five, 1 will be not selected for World Cup.

    Basically, that's what my point is in the first post that I made which you for no reason quoted and tried insulting. When there is no chance really of Umran Malik or Yash Dayal making it to Indian ODI World Cup squad, why you pick him in these teams? Select the players who are in contention for a place in World Cup, give them more practice and more games because it will be ultimately on their hands. At max only one or two injuries will happen, there will not be half a dozen of injuries.

    If Bumrah gets injured, you still have Shami, Siraj, Prasidh to pick and one of Shardul/Deepak in the squad or Arshdeep in reserves. You just won't need a Yash Dayal at all. Similarly, if KL Rahul gets injured, you have Iyer, SKY and Samson as backups and reserves. You will simply not need a kishan or Ruturaj to have a look at. Just randomly giving chances to everyone will only lead to making of Khichdi and then when we are close to World Cup, we will eliminate all of them and find that the players in the XI didn't even got as much ODI games for preparation and are lacking confidence.
    Same old this and that player won't be selected blah blah blah. Do you even know what you are arguing about now? Or have you lost the plot completely?

    This is what you wrote above:

    No need to play Kishan, Hooda, Samson, Ruturaj, Umran, Shahbaz in ODIs etc because they won't even be in your reserves let alone in the XI.

    I rightly didn't agree with this because it is not possible to play those 15 world cup players in all the matches. Be practical for once.

    And how are you so sure that only Sky can replace KL? What if Samson impresses the selectors and they pick Samson instead of Sky in ODIs? This is what selectors should do and try different players. You are getting offended unnecessarily just because I didn't agree with your post. I saw a loophole in your post and pointed it out. My point was these players should get a chance and they will get it whereas you don't even want to give a chance to these players because you have already made up your mind about those 15 players. That's not how this works dear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Also, this shouldn't be confused with T20s because in T20s, we have two years time so we can play Samson, Umran in that format but in ODIs, it is pointless to pick them. Bhaag Viru,samjhe kuch lol?
    I very well know which team I was talking about. You didn't even know about ODI squads for NZ and Bangladesh lol. Do your homework properly from next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    We have Dhawan playing as captain in NZ. He is currently as pathetic as dhoni was in his last couple of years. Basically nothing is going to change unless we see massive changes within BCCI Till then we will keep losing
    I think KL guy better ODI player than T20's.
    Don't know why they keep selecting Dhawan.

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