Pakistan batting in LOIs is old fashioned

[shah_1]

I still think we are sill stuck in 1990s and other team have move forward.
What we try to do is play really cautiously and save wicket till the 35 and 40 overs then we try to score at the last 10 - 15 overs.

I still remember we did this so effectively in 1999 world cup with Razzaq/Azhar and Afridi played at the end. Nowadays this way of playing has become old fashioned and most of the time it has backfired.

We can't have azhar ali, Asad Shafiq, Younis Khan, Misbah and Hafeez in same line up.They are all one dimensional players. Azhar ali, Asad Shafiq and Misbah are good players but they would never hurt the opposition or be feared.

Hafeez is a Rubbish opener and the only thing he does is helping opposition by wasting a lot deliveries and suddenly getting out for 5 or 6 runs that pile pressure on middle order. Younis Khan is a liability in LOIs.

We need more dynamic players in our side likes of Harris shoail, nasir Jamshed and Hammad Azam. This doesn't mean we don't want Azhar ali and Asad Shafiq , they would be needed to stabilized our batting line up and other can put some flair in the innings.

[freelance_cricketer]

I'd agree.

The approach at least has certainly been old school. The batsmen are struggling to pace their inning which is the most important factor in ODI batsmanship. Don't be listening to the hypocrite test lovers who don't rate ODI batsmanship, it's tough and requires great set of skills to compete with the best in the business. You can't just make a career with 2 gears in this form. Gotta have the shots, the ability to rotate strike consistently so that one doesn't make situation worse for himself and his partners and panic in pressure situations.

Pakistani batsmen have been playing into opposition's hands in the crucial middle overs (remember Mohali) because of their limited game and outdated approach.

[saeedhk]

true..

[LastLaugh_PK]

Ideal would be Jamshed and Shehzad opening, with Azhar coming one down followed by Akmal, Misbah and Shafiq. This will be the right top 6.

[Square Drive]

Originally Posted by LastLaugh_PK Ideal would be Jamshed and Shehzad opening, with Azhar coming one down followed by Akmal, Misbah and Shafiq. This will be the right top 6.

And after that, a WK. So who'll be your 5th bowler? Azhar?

Unless you want Umar to be the WK (which is unfortunately not happening). Hafeez is very useful because he scores every now and then, and mainly bowls 10 overs.

[LastLaugh_PK]

Originally Posted by Square Drive And after that, a WK. So who'll be your 5th bowler? Azhar? Unless you want Umar to be the WK (which is unfortunately not happening). Hafeez is very useful because he scores every now and then, and mainly bowls 10 overs.

Lol got carried away and forgot about Hafeez. I think Shafiq would have to make way for Hafeez.

[Square Drive]

Originally Posted by LastLaugh_PK Lol got carried away and forgot about Hafeez. I think Shafiq would have to make way for Hafeez.

I'd rather have Shehzad/Jamshed making way for him. Shehzad preferably.

[LastLaugh_PK]

Originally Posted by Square Drive I'd rather have Shehzad/Jamshed making way for him. Shehzad preferably.

Hafeez is really not that good of an opener. He has serious issues with the moving ball.

[LastLaugh_PK]

Once Misbah goes, Shafiq moves to 5 and Haris Sohail comes in at 6.

[AdidasBeard]

With 2 new white balls it may not be a bad idea to play "old fashioned" ODI cricket especially outside Asia against decent bowling attacks. The key is to have players at 4 & 5 who can both rebuild and be explosive and great finishers beneath these.

[Looney]

Our guys have a mental problem They think playing cautiously is tuk tuk and playing normal game is boom boom .

[Pakprideuk]

England have proven to be very effective with this "old fashioned" style of batting. Their top three are their most technically equipped batsmen. That was one of the main reason they beat australia, whereas australias top three were more attacking and hence found out against the moving ball.

[shah_1]

Originally Posted by Pakprideuk England have proven to be very effective with this "old fashioned" style of batting. Their top three are their most technically equipped batsmen. That was one of the main reason they beat australia, whereas australias top three were more attacking and hence found out against the moving ball.

You are confusing the users mate. I am not talking about mindless slogging. I am talking about proper one day cricket. Pakistan only know one way that either tukk tukk or Boom Boom. There is no 2nd to 4th gear.

England always played at decent rate scoring 45 to 55 runs in first power plays and rotated the strike really well in the middle overs. They always paced the innings really well but compared that to Pakistan who just don't how to pace an innings in middle overs . That why we so poor at chasing total and the biggest example is mohali match.


Can you please read the second post for more information.

[Justcrazy]

They players need to have the talent to dominate and skills to do it, you cannot expect Asad or Azhar to play like Kohli or Gayle. Know your limitations and plan accordingly.

[alberto]

I believe that the OP has nailed on why Pakistan bat pathetically as they are not taking advantage off the powerplays and are batting too cautiously. This approach costs us as the powerplays are when you need to get runs as the restrictions are up whereas our players go into their shells

[jusarrived]

only team which dint evolve . its still very 90s .

[Green Leopard]

Looking around at the other ODI sides, Pakistan's batting is a worry. From top to bottom.

Most teams have at least one player capable of clearing the boundaries as an opener to take advantage of the power plays, and they have the license to do so.

Amongst Azhar, Hafeez and Farhat none of them fit the role. The other opener is usually someone who can prod along but is capable of getting a hundred and finish with a strike rate of 100 plus. Again none of the openers are capable of that.

Then the middle order of Shafiq, Azhar (sometimes), Misbah, and Younis is just too rigid in today's ODI format with the need to either score or chase 275 plus.

And then the biggest problem is wasting of Umar Akmal at number 5 or 6. Your best ODI player needs to face the most balls! That's why the likes of Sehwag, Gambhir, Kohli, Dhilshan, Mahela, Sanga, Pietersen, Watson, Gayle, Amla all play in the top 3 batting position.

I mean even England have evolved for crying out load!!!

[James]

Pak top order batsmen must be talented enough to hit boundaries if Cook and Bell can do it. The most conventional and unspectacular opening pair that you could hope to see, but Cook in particular is a gun in ODIs.

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by James Pak top order batsmen must be talented enough to hit boundaries if Cook and Bell can do it. The most conventional and unspectacular opening pair that you could hope to see, but Cook in particular is a gun in ODIs.

Cook i agree , but Bell is pretty versatile ..his technique allows him to improvise for LOI's

[alberto]

Our bottom half(from 6 downwards) is also a worry. Our tail starts at Shahid Afridi. We should learn a lesson from the recent revival of the Windies by having batting till 9.

[Saj]

It's a good thread and point of discussion.

I think there has to be a balance of attacking and non attacking batsmen in the top 6. We seem to be overly cautious at the moment and I wonder if the change if rules with 2 cricket balls being used has caused this defensive approach.

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by Saj It's a good thread and point of discussion. I think there has to be a balance of attacking and non attacking batsmen in the top 6. We seem to be overly cautious at the moment and I wonder if the change if rules with 2 cricket balls being used has caused this defensive approach.

More than the bastmen , its the Coach , Captain and Mgmt who should be responsible for the way the approach their innings .. There are lot of steady batsmen who have had a sucessfull LOI careers , but there needs to be more clarity from the top ...it never seems like Pak have a plan when they come to bat.

[alberto]

I don't think boundaries is a problem but the openers are not interested in getting singles. They are not following the golden rule that once you get a boundary then you try to get a single the next ball

[LastLaugh_PK]

Need Jamshed to open, and Umar Akmal to play at 4.

[alberto]

Just imagine an opening partnership of Sharjeel and Nasir Jamshed. That would be a class duo. I would not mind Shahzad as then it can be a left-right combo at the top. That would mean Hafeez in the middle order.

[shah_1]

Just look at Cook after making a comeback averages 46 odd at a strike rate of 86.21 playing 20 matches. . Compare that to hafeez in the same span of time played 25 matches, who averages of 31 odd with pathetic strike rate of 69.

[sarmadsl]

shehzad should be given a last chance in odis with Nasir as opener