You Only Live Once (YOLO)

[Impala_KaifTamasha]

It's a coming saying these days and people use it for many different reasons, but for those of us who are Muslim we in fact live twice, so the saying should go for us; "You Only Live Twice (YOLT)". I'll let the video below explain further:-



This video was a great inspiration for me masha'Allah, hope it is for others too.

[Atif]

Saw this few days back, it's an eye opener.

[SohailQureshi]

wow, really powerful stuff..

[Bilal7]

Mashallah, great video.

[venomousx]

Rubbish! so music is haram and we will be judged for listening to it?
I see a practising muslim who was trying to balance religion and fun, living with the religion and the world at the same time. He shouldn't be worried about anything if he prays, takes care of his parents, treats others nicely and his sins are outweighed by his good deeds.

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by venomousx Rubbish! so music is haram and we will be judged for listening to it? I see a practising muslim who was trying to balance religion and fun, living with the religion and the world at the same time. He shouldn't be worried about anything if he prays, takes care of his parents, treats others nicely and his sins are outweighed by his good deeds.

Really? why did you have to play the devil's advocate?

There is a lot more to Islam than just praying five times a day, reading the Quran. It's a whole way of life that we should follow to the best of our abilities. That guy probably wasn't the worst Muslim but he was also not the best and would have been questioned about all of his sins.

[Imran_A]

Such blatant, shameful propaganda. Leave it to a religious organization to indoctrinate young people, through youtube no less!

[Imran_A]

Originally Posted by venomousx Rubbish! so music is haram and we will be judged for listening to it? I see a practising muslim who was trying to balance religion and fun, living with the religion and the world at the same time. He shouldn't be worried about anything if he prays, takes care of his parents, treats others nicely and his sins are outweighed by his good deeds.

+1 on that!

[azhar329]

Originally Posted by Imran_A Such blatant, shameful propaganda. Leave it to a religious organization to indoctrinate young people, through youtube no less!

Reminding people of the hereafter is not shameful propaganda.

[Imran_A]

Originally Posted by azhar329 Reminding people of the hereafter is not shameful propaganda.

Agreed. The way you do it can be. And in this case is.

[Sufi]

Originally Posted by venomousx Rubbish! so music is haram and we will be judged for listening to it? I see a practising muslim who was trying to balance religion and fun, living with the religion and the world at the same time. He shouldn't be worried about anything if he prays, takes care of his parents, treats others nicely and his sins are outweighed by his good deeds.

According to you, you can do whatever sin you want, as long your good deeds outweigh them. Lol @ you for being a hypocrite.

Remember, God is watching you always and knows your intentions.

Originally Posted by Imran_A Agreed. The way you do it can be. And in this case is.

And what's wrong with this type of way?

There trying to reach out to a certain audience (the youth)

Do you think the youth is going to listen to some Mullah in the mosque?

[desi_boy]

I don't know why this bothers people......If some one says it is not allowed in Islam, then ask for evidence......don't go and start rubbishing without even doing that......Also if you believe that Music is allowed or the very least not allowed but still not a major issue in Islam then bring your own evidence of it in a proper Islam context......don't just start your own philosophical rants because people who watch such videos are not going to even listen to you because they are coming from religious point and you a secular one.......if you need to prove something to someone prove using their own conditions otherwise it is pretty much futile........and another thing if people keep knocking things down cuz they feel it is propaganda then it gets very hard to have a proper civil discussion about any issue despite it's merits!

[Sufi]

Originally Posted by Imran_A Such blatant, shameful propaganda. Leave it to a religious organization to indoctrinate young people, through youtube no less!

Yes because spreading the message of Islam and reminding people that we will be questioned and judged for our actions is propaganda?
In whatever medium possible, the message of Islam must be spread.
This is to reach out the youth, and remind them that they should break out of the false reality they are living in, and take the time now, by praying as much as possible ad remembering God as much as possible.

[Sufi]

Originally Posted by desi_boy I don't know why this bothers people......If some one says it is not allowed in Islam, then ask for evidence......don't go and start rubbishing without even doing that......Also if you believe that Music is allowed or the very least not allowed but still not a major issue in Islam then bring your own evidence of it........If people keep knocking things down cuz they feel it is propaganda then it gets very hard to have a proper civil discussion about any issue despite it's merits!

Even if you bring the evidence in front of them, people still won't believe you.

Why do you think there are so many non-muslims in the world?

[desi_boy]

Originally Posted by Sufi Even if you bring the evidence in front of them, people still won't believe you. Why do you think there are so many non-muslims in the world?

No but you still do it, since that is the only way to have a proper civil discussion otherwise you end up calling names and accusing each other of various heinous crimes......

As for the bold part.......that is an entirely a separate issue.....you can only say such things to a Muslim audience who agrees with you......but a varied audience like here on PP will get you nothing but trouble from other members since you've to prove not only your own religion is right but also that the other's is wrong........And remember they are both very different and very hard things to do!

[pakistanalltheway]

Originally Posted by desi_boy I don't know why this bothers people......If some one says it is not allowed in Islam, then ask for evidence......don't go and start rubbishing without even doing that......Also if you believe that Music is allowed or the very least not allowed but still not a major issue in Islam then bring your own evidence of it in a proper Islam context......don't just start your own philosophical rants because people who watch such videos are not going to even listen to you because they are coming from religious point and you a secular one.......if you need to prove something to someone prove using their own conditions otherwise it is pretty much futile........and another thing if people keep knocking things down cuz they feel it is propaganda then it gets very hard to have a proper civil discussion about any issue despite it's merits!

excellent post . You are a great poster bro post more often please .

[desi_boy]

Originally Posted by pakistanalltheway excellent post . You are a great poster bro post more often please .

thanx for the complement.........still I have this feeling someone will come along and rubbish everything I just wrote.......... anyways I hardly get the chance since I'm responsible for the pay roll of over 60 people......I only post when I have down time, like right now!

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by desi_boy thanx for the complement.........still I have this feeling someone will come along and rubbish everything I just wrote.......... anyways I hardly get the chance since I'm responsible for the pay roll of over 60 people......I only post when I have down time, like right now!

Its ok, that someone rubbishes the post of anyone trying to do good, so you're not alone.

[venomousx]

Originally Posted by desi_boy I don't know why this bothers people......If some one says it is not allowed in Islam, then ask for evidence......don't go and start rubbishing without even doing that......Also if you believe that Music is allowed or the very least not allowed but still not a major issue in Islam then bring your own evidence of it in a proper Islam context......don't just start your own philosophical rants because people who watch such videos are not going to even listen to you because they are coming from religious point and you a secular one.......if you need to prove something to someone prove using their own conditions otherwise it is pretty much futile........and another thing if people keep knocking things down cuz they feel it is propaganda then it gets very hard to have a proper civil discussion about any issue despite it's merits!

The video is specifically targeting listening to music and smoking like they are some major issues, and you have agreed they are not. I have never smoked in my life but i know many chain smokers who are far better muslims than me. Even some musicians are really good muslims let alone the people who listen to music. If the video had encouraged more important things like praying, fasting etc and discouraged major things like drinking, adultry, eating haram food etc then i would have definitely supported it. Islam is not about stopping people from listening to music. People can follow their normal lives while practising islam at the same time. Islam makes life simple not complex. I have no option but to dismiss this video as CRAP and RUBBISH. Sends the wrong message to 'youth' and rest of the world. Plus, i am sorry if i have hurt anyone's feelings with my post.. I am just against extremism and i'm not afraid to show it

[Imran_A]

Here we go with the mullah brigade. Put everything in the correct "Islamic context" or we wont listen to you. I might ignore the ones living in Pakistan because they dont know any better. But living in a socialist country enjoying all the benefits of a socialist, secular society, while shamelessly rubbishing it on internet forums behind closed doors, rather shameful indeed. Go live in Pakistan if you really crave "the muslim context".

[cric_craze]

Originally Posted by venomousx The video is specifically targeting listening to music and smoking like they are some major issues, and you have agreed they are not. I have never smoked in my life but i know many chain smokers who are far better muslims than me. Even some musicians are really good muslims let alone the people who listen to music. If the video had encouraged more important things like praying, fasting etc and discouraged major things like drinking, adultry, eating haram food etc then i would have definitely supported it. Islam is not about stopping people from listening to music. People can follow their normal lives while practising islam at the same time. Islam makes life simple not complex. I have no option but to dismiss this video as CRAP and RUBBISH. Sends the wrong message to 'youth' and rest of the world. Plus, i am sorry if i have hurt anyone's feelings with my post.. I am just against extremism and i'm not afraid to show it

What does smoking do? It slowly kills you which is definitely haram

[ElRaja]

music can be so enriching, it is an unwritten unspoken language of pure emotion, it connects to humans on such a primal level. all humans understand melody and rhythm without being taught.

fair enough if someone believes that certain music promotes immorality i would not disagree with that, but i cannot see how someone would say appreciating beethovens 5th makes you a worse person.

[Imran_A]

Forget about how disgusting the content of the ad is, going against music and whatever else that poor guy may or may not have done. Think about the subliminal message in there that if you talk to a girl on the phone you will die in a car crash. Ok, one may make the argument that the cheesy way in which he was talking to her possibly deserves some form of punishment. But in all seriousness, these people are using lies and propaganda to spread religion. And the mullah brigade is OK with this?

You are using lies to spread religion, and some weird form of cognitive dissonance in your head tells you this is ok? Talk about spitting religion in the face. Then they throw a hissy fit when you call them out on their nonsense.

[desi_boy]

Originally Posted by venomousx The video is specifically targeting listening to music and smoking like they are some major issues, and you have agreed they are not.

I did no such thing..........If you read carefully I said:

"Also if you believe that Music is allowed or the very least not allowed but still not a major issue in Islam then bring your own evidence of it in a proper Islam context"

Nowhere in there did I take a side on this Issue, because I simply didn't feel like it.

I have never smoked in my life but i know many chain smokers who are far better muslims than me. Even some musicians are really good muslims let alone the people who listen to music.

Being good or evil is not the issue here.....the main issue is "Are such things allowed in Islam"......the reasons for them being allowed or not become secondary as they are mostly used as explaining your POV, therefore, I repeat once again.....the issue is if Music, smoking and the other issues highlighted in the video are "allowed" (keyword here) In Islam or not.....And for that you can provide your evidence to back up your POV(whichever side you lean on)

If the video had encouraged more important things like praying, fasting etc and discouraged major things like drinking, adultry, eating haram food etc then i would have definitely supported it.

Care to provide a verse from the Quran or even a Hadith to back up your claim?...... I ask because of two reasons:

1) Without evidence it is just your opinion and no one has to listen to your opinion. In fact they can dismiss it just as easily as you did theirs.

2) Right now you have two audiences one that is secular/from other religions and the other with opposing POV considers itself to be Islamic (at least that is what I could gather about them from reading their responses) and since you are telling the audience with Islamic leanings, anything short of actual Quranic evidence they will not convinced of your POV.....which means this issue will go in circles and no one will come to any conclusion.

Islam is not about stopping people from listening to music. People can follow their normal lives while practicing Islam at the same time. Islam makes life simple not complex.

I disagree..... Islam is a complete code of Conduct for Muslims......it gives you guidance in how to conduct yourself day to day....e.g. Muslims are told to Pray for 5 times a day..... do you believe it is only for Spiritual reasons?.......I don't....Islam provides balance between spirituality and materialism.... The reason we are told to pray 5 times a day is to force us to take a break in our increasing busy daily lives, it forces us to clean ourselves five times a day.....a non Muslim person goes to work takes a couple of breaks in his/her 8 to 9 hour shift and then goes home to relax and enjoy him/herself........however Prayers not only force us to take a break from work but also to take a break from down time when we are busy enjoying ourselves and are somewhat if not completely oblivious to other things happening around us....... This wasn't meant to be a lecture on prayers but just one example of why I believe Islam to be a complete code of conduct.

I have no option but to dismiss this video as CRAP and RUBBISH. Sends the wrong message to 'youth' and rest of the world. Plus, i am sorry if i have hurt anyone's feelings with my post.. I am just against extremism and I'm not afraid to show it

You can dismiss this video as crap and rubbish as you have that right but it doesn't help anyone least of all yourself.......don't dismiss it, challenge it, ask questions and counter questions about it to prove your point.......you'll be surprised of how much other people will learn just by you asking questions and more people even might start agreeing with you... Point being if you are going to debate then at least give your reasons in detail.......don't just call it extremist propaganda all you end up doing is making the others look like victims of your behavior and hence gain some sympathy.

[desi_boy]

Originally Posted by Imran_A Here we go with the mullah brigade. Put everything in the correct "Islamic context" or we wont listen to you. I might ignore the ones living in Pakistan because they dont know any better. But living in a socialist country enjoying all the benefits of a socialist, secular society, while shamelessly rubbishing it on internet forums behind closed doors, rather shameful indeed. Go live in Pakistan if you really crave "the muslim context".

I think you need to learn to sing a new tune already......Apparently People living in Pakistan don't know any better, People asking for evidence in "Islamic Context" are Mullah Brigade, and to top it all off I should quit Canada because according to you I'm "enjoying all the benefits of a socialist, secular society, while shamelessly rubbishing it on internet forums behind closed doors, rather shameful indeed"....


Yes shameful Indeed!..... Doesn't matter the fact that nowhere did I mention anything to do with society or as you put it "socialist/secular society".......nowhere did I even take sides until my last post before this one in response to venomousx...... all that doesn't matter but what matters is you think I'm part of some "Mullah Brigade"......... shameful Indeed............what was it that you said about going off on tangents?

[Imran_A]

Originally Posted by desi_boy People asking for evidence in "Islamic Context" are Mullah Brigade, [/I][/B]

No tangents, none at all. In fact I've been rather on point.

don't just start your own philosophical rants because people who watch such videos are not going to even listen to you because they are coming from religious point and you a secular one

You are not just asking for "evidence in Islamic context", which would be bad enough. You are saying anything that doesnt contain said evidence is a rant. Moreover, not worth being listened to. That is why you are part of the mullah brigade.

Try not to run away from your own words so much. I know its hard, I cringe when I read them too, but atleast you could stand up for them.

By the way, here's a quick piece of advice just because I am in such a good mood. If you want to have a discussion, claiming "I never took a side" or "I never took a stand so hah!" arent exactly virtues. They are considered weak and cowardly. Just a piece of advice. Stand up for what you believe in and back up your words. Running away from it just makes you look...well...weak.

[azhar329]

Originally Posted by Imran_A Agreed. The way you do it can be. And in this case is.

Giving dawah also has its rules and regs. Allah knows best as to the video, may Allah reward them for their intention and guide them and us to the Sunnah, ameen.

[venomousx]

Originally Posted by desi_boy I did no such thing..........If you read carefully I said: "Also if you believe that Music is allowed or the very least not allowed but still not a major issue in Islam then bring your own evidence of it in a proper Islam context" Nowhere in there did I take a side on this Issue, because I simply didn't feel like it. Being good or evil is not the issue here.....the main issue is "Are such things allowed in Islam"......the reasons for them being allowed or not become secondary as they are mostly used as explaining your POV, therefore, I repeat once again.....the issue is if Music, smoking and the other issues highlighted in the video are "allowed" (keyword here) In Islam or not.....And for that you can provide your evidence to back up your POV(whichever side you lean on) Care to provide a verse from the Quran or even a Hadith to back up your claim?...... I ask because of two reasons: 1) Without evidence it is just your opinion and no one has to listen to your opinion. In fact they can dismiss it just as easily as you did theirs. 2) Right now you have two audiences one that is secular/from other religions and the other with opposing POV considers itself to be Islamic (at least that is what I could gather about them from reading their responses) and since you are telling the audience with Islamic leanings, anything short of actual Quranic evidence they will not convinced of your POV.....which means this issue will go in circles and no one will come to any conclusion. I disagree..... Islam is a complete code of Conduct for Muslims......it gives you guidance in how to conduct yourself day to day....e.g. Muslims are told to Pray for 5 times a day..... do you believe it is only for Spiritual reasons?.......I don't....Islam provides balance between spirituality and materialism.... The reason we are told to pray 5 times a day is to force us to take a break in our increasing busy daily lives, it forces us to clean ourselves five times a day.....a non Muslim person goes to work takes a couple of breaks in his/her 8 to 9 hour shift and then goes home to relax and enjoy him/herself........however Prayers not only force us to take a break from work but also to take a break from down time when we are busy enjoying ourselves and are somewhat if not completely oblivious to other things happening around us....... This wasn't meant to be a lecture on prayers but just one example of why I believe Islam to be a complete code of conduct. You can dismiss this video as crap and rubbish as you have that right but it doesn't help anyone least of all yourself.......don't dismiss it, challenge it, ask questions and counter questions about it to prove your point.......you'll be surprised of how much other people will learn just by you asking questions and more people even might start agreeing with you... Point being if you are going to debate then at least give your reasons in detail.......don't just call it extremist propaganda all you end up doing is making the others look like victims of your behavior and hence gain some sympathy.

You know very well that drinking, eating haram food and adultry etc are MUCH bigger sins than smoking and listening to music i.e even if they are sins. There are severe punishments for those sins and they are so commonly committed by not only the muslims abroad but in pakistan as well! Don't you think the video should have highlighted those instead of trying to declare music haram. I am totally disgusted by the way the video was showing that he is telling himself to turn the music off after dying.
About the video, yes i do challenge it! It is conveying the wrong message to youth and rest of the world. Yes, it sort of tells you to prepare for the afterlife, but the way it does is WRONG on so many levels.
About prayer, i agree it is the most important thing. It differentiates a believer from a non-believer. But the guy in the video already prays, asks for forgiveness. Sometimes any muslim can unintentionally rush his prayer. Only Allah knows what is in our heart. Do you really think we will be judged for rushing our prayer if we didn't do it intentionally?

[Impala_KaifTamasha]

Why is it people always use the argument, theres more pressing issues at stake? When we know something is wrong we shouldn't do it, end of story. Soking and music is haraam, and there may be more pressing issues but when u repeat a minor sin it becomes a major sin.

[cric_craze]

Our religion does not function in this limited understanding. The prophet told us about a woman who entered the fire for not feeding a cat nor allowing it to eat on its own. He also told us about a woman who used to pray, fast, and give charity, yet she use to harm her neighbors and that she will be in the fire.


Can you imagine telling the prophet that it does not matter if someone smokes or is addicted to listening to music which something the prophet spoke against? ? What is happening in the world does not make us abandon any Sunnah or commit even minor sins at all. Everything is important.

Minor sins become Major sins and just because a sin is not looked bad look upon by society does not mean it is not bad. Our understanding of a sin should stem just from Quran and Sunnah and not what is embedded in society and culture.

[talha3]

Originally Posted by cric_craze Our religion does not function in this limited understanding. The prophet told us about a woman who entered the fire for not feeding a cat nor allowing it to eat on its own. He also told us about a woman who used to pray, fast, and give charity, yet she use to harm her neighbors and that she will be in the fire. Can you imagine telling the prophet that it does not matter if someone smokes or is addicted to listening to music which something the prophet spoke against? ? What is happening in the world does not make us abandon any Sunnah or even minor sins at all. Everything is important. Minor sins become Major sins and just because a sin is not looked bad look upon by society does not mean it is not bad. Our understanding of a sin should stem just from Quran and Sunnah and not what is embedded in society and culture.

Great post.

[KingKhanWC]

The video for me is not about the actual 'sins' here but the overall message. The message here is death can come at any time and do not ignore your sins but rather try to put a stop to them.

[desi_boy]

Originally Posted by Imran_A No tangents, none at all. In fact I've been rather on point.

Go off on tangents is all you've done......I talk about the status of Music in Islam, you on the other hand throw accusation of "rubbishing the socialist/secularist society".........how the hell did the the socialist/secularist society enter this?.......

You are not just asking for "evidence in Islamic context", which would be bad enough. You are saying anything that doesnt contain said evidence is a rant. Moreover, not worth being listened to. That is why you are part of the mullah brigade.

First off all the reason why I asked for evidence in Islamic context is because venomousx said "Rubbish! so music is haram and we will be judged for listening to it?"...clearly a statement that I understood to suggest that Music isn't haram in Islam.......again "Islam" not a secular society.......If venomousx had said it was not allowed in a secular society(not that I think he would) then I would've asked evidence for it from a secular context.......but this apparently didn't get through to you.

Try not to run away from your own words so much. I know its hard, I cringe when I read them too, but atleast you could stand up for them. By the way, here's a quick piece of advice just because I am in such a good mood. If you want to have a discussion, claiming "I never took a side" or "I never took a stand so hah!" arent exactly virtues. They are considered weak and cowardly. Just a piece of advice. Stand up for what you believe in and back up your words. Running away from it just makes you look...well...weak."

I didn't run away..... the reason I didn't take a stand on the Music issue is because I don't have enough info on it......on the one hand I hear from Islamic scholars that certain type of music is allowed and on the other hand I hear that it is completely banned......therefore two obviously conflicting opinions for which I'd have to do a lot more research before I could make up my mind about it which I haven't done yet........also I have taken a stand when I've felt that I have enough info on it......that is why I ask questions rather than call names (Insane, idiots was what you said in other thread) and accuse others of "not knowing any better"........Also you need to read my responses once completely before you start your keyboard crusade.....e.g. read my response to venomousx, it'll clearly show that I did take a stand on an issue but then I again I doubt you'll understand it.

As for the "advice" keep it to yourself......In the end you didn't call me on any of my points........You didn't ask questions......You didn't counter any of my points......All you did was call me a "coward" and "weak".......however, the thing you don't understand is when a person can't respond to another person's point then that's all they do, That is a sign of being a coward weakling......I've tried my best to be very civil here on the other hand you have done nothing but be antagonistic and extremely childish......keep it up it only show your immaturity!

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by cric_craze Our religion does not function in this limited understanding. The prophet told us about a woman who entered the fire for not feeding a cat nor allowing it to eat on its own. He also told us about a woman who used to pray, fast, and give charity, yet she use to harm her neighbors and that she will be in the fire. Can you imagine telling the prophet that it does not matter if someone smokes or is addicted to listening to music which something the prophet spoke against? ? What is happening in the world does not make us abandon any Sunnah or commit even minor sins at all. Everything is important. Minor sins become Major sins and just because a sin is not looked bad look upon by society does not mean it is not bad. Our understanding of a sin should stem just from Quran and Sunnah and not what is embedded in society and culture.

Mashallah, great post.

I don't know where people get the rating of sins. A sin is a sin and it is up to Allah on how much punishment he thinks you deserve. It is said in a hadith that listening to music takes you away from Islam which should be reason enough to not listen to it.

substitute it with something halaal like naats, nasheeds or recitation of the Quran.

[Ismailtoca]

Originally Posted by Imran_A Such blatant, shameful propaganda. Leave it to a religious organization to indoctrinate young people, through youtube no less!

Do you honestly just come on PP to troll?

[khalil1986]

Originally Posted by desi_boy Go off on tangents is all you've done......I talk about the status of Music in Islam, you on the other hand throw accusation of "rubbishing the socialist/secularist society".........how the hell did the the socialist/secularist society enter this?....... First off all the reason why I asked for evidence in Islamic context is because venomousx said "Rubbish! so music is haram and we will be judged for listening to it?"...clearly a statement that I understood to suggest that Music isn't haram in Islam.......again "Islam" not a secular society.......If venomousx had said it was not allowed in a secular society(not that I think he would) then I would've asked evidence for it from a secular context.......but this apparently didn't get through to you. I didn't run away..... the reason I didn't take a stand on the Music issue is because I don't have enough info on it......on the one hand I hear from Islamic scholars that certain type of music is allowed and on the other hand I hear that it is completely banned......therefore two obviously conflicting opinions for which I'd have to do a lot more research before I could make up my mind about it which I haven't done yet........also I have taken a stand when I've felt that I have enough info on it......that is why I ask questions rather than call names (Insane, idiots was what you said in other thread) and accuse others of "not knowing any better"........Also you need to read my responses once completely before you start your keyboard crusade.....e.g. read my response to venomousx, it'll clearly show that I did take a stand on an issue but then I again I doubt you'll understand it. As for the "advice" keep it to yourself......In the end you didn't call me on any of my points........You didn't ask questions......You didn't counter any of my points......All you did was call me a "coward" and "weak".......however, the thing you don't understand is when a person can't respond to another person's point then that's all they do, That is a sign of being a coward weakling......I've tried my best to be very civil here on the other hand you have done nothing but be antagonistic and extremely childish......keep it up it only show your immaturity!

Your posts have been a great read, Imran_A is known for his personal attacking when he has nothing substantial to offer, just ignore him.

[khalil1986]

Originally Posted by Ismailtoca Do you honestly just come on PP to troll?

You still have doubts?

[Indiafan]

Originally Posted by Sufi Even if you bring the evidence in front of them, people still won't believe you. Why do you think there are so many non-muslims in the world?

So were you born into Islam or were you converted? If you were just born into Islam, how does it make you any better than someone who is born into hinduism or christanity and believe that to be the one true religion?

Of course a true believer should believe in the supremancy of one's religion but some of the holier than thou attitude taken by a very few muslim believers is naueseating

[JibranAnsari]

I think the sins which are related to huququl ibad will be dealt with more severely. But if islam stops us from doing something then we must accept that doing that is sin even if we do it. If you love music then it doesn't mean that we are allowed to enjoy it even if you enjoy. Commit whatever sins you want but only because you commit the sins doesn't make those sins unharmful in the afterlife.

[Badsha]

Music being Haraam is a big joke.


I bet none of you have ever actually read more than half of the Quraan with translation.

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by Indiafan So were you born into Islam or were you converted? If you were just born into Islam, how does it make you any better than someone who is born into hinduism or christanity and believe that to be the one true religion? Of course a true believer should believe in the supremancy of one's religion but some of the holier than thou attitude taken by a very few muslim believers is naueseating

How come many more people convert to Islam than Hinduism or Christianity for that matter?

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by Badsha Music being Haraam is a big joke. I bet none of you have ever actually read more than half of the Quraan with translation.

Are you saying Guitars, Pianos and Trumpets are allowed in Islam?

[Badsha]

Originally Posted by Bilal7 Are you saying Guitars, Pianos and Trumpets are allowed in Islam?

Most definitely are. Allah doesn't care what instrument you play.


People who emphasize on irrelevant topics like "music is haraam" ect don't know the true meaning of Islam.

Anyway, I follow my own faith, my own life and will have my own after life.

[cric_craze]

Originally Posted by Badsha Most definitely are. Allah doesn't care what instrument you play. People who emphasize on irrelevant topics like "music is haraam" ect don't know the true meaning of Islam. Anyway, I follow my own faith, my own life and will have my own after life.

How do you know Allah doesnt care if you play music, who are you to speak on Allah's behalf.

[Badsha]

Originally Posted by cric_craze How do you know Allah doesnt care if you play music, who are you to speak on Allah's behalf.

I am a Muslim who has read the holy book.

[aashiqmizaaj]

Originally Posted by Badsha I am a Muslim who has read the holy book.

The people who say music isn't allowed claim the same. So how do you break the tie?

[aashiqmizaaj]

Originally Posted by Badsha Most definitely are. Allah doesn't care what instrument you play. People who emphasize on irrelevant topics like "music is haraam" ect don't know the true meaning of Islam. Anyway, I follow my own faith, my own life and will have my own after life.

Your last sentence is fine, but then when you take that stance, you cannot tell people whether what you believe is correct - you can only say it is what you believe and leave it at that.

Here's something to ponder: Allah doesn't care what instrument to play - fine. The single most exhaulted example for us Muslims to follow and emulate, is Prophet Muhammad SAW - I do wonder what musical instrument he played. Hmm. I wonder what musical instruments that Sahaba RA played in front of him.

My above question should not be twisted to they used to ride on horses hence we should. Simply looking at musical instruments since Allah doesn't care what musical instrument one plays, it would be interesting to find out which musical instrument those closest to Islam (and there really isn't any denying that the Prophet SAW himself and his Sahaba were the closest) played.

[James]

Music can play such a vital part in a person's life; those of us that are lucky enough to have been given good ears can't deny that music has a very special effect on a person.

Playing, singing and writing all kinds of music is a beautiful art, and listening to it is stimulating, enjoyable and inspiring. Music can help people's wellbeing and spur them into doing kind and important things. There are a wealth of examples of music and most of them have great merit.

I personally love music and am glad it has found a big place in the world, seems like many others feel the same

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by Badsha Most definitely are. Allah doesn't care what instrument you play. People who emphasize on irrelevant topics like "music is haraam" ect don't know the true meaning of Islam. Anyway, I follow my own faith, my own life and will have my own after life.

The last sentence is the best from your post, the first? not really. There are several hadiths that have emphasised that the only instruments that might be allowed in Islam are percussion instruments.

Instead of listening to music, why don't people listen to Nasheeds or Naats that make great substitutes for music and actually help you in remembering God. May I recommend Zain Bhikha and Native Deen.

[cric_craze]

For all the music addicts, listen to Quran and you will enjoy it so much Inshallah that it will replace your love of music with Quran. Trust me, when you begin to enjoy Quran recitation, you will not find any song amusing as it just does not have the same effect.

[Dolphins]

Thats the motto YOLO, everyday everyday.

[SwingNSeam]

SubhanAllah great video, and a great message.

Jaza Kalla khair!

[Badsha]

Originally Posted by aashiqmizaaj The people who say music isn't allowed claim the same. So how do you break the tie?

I don't try to break the tie. That is my point. I live my life the way I think is right and the way I believe I can become a good Muslim.



I will just mention, for something to be haraam is a very big thing. Such a thing must have been mentioned in the Quraan and there is no mention of music being haraam in the Quran. Far from Haraam, I actually will iA encourage my children to be musicians. It's one of the best arts in the world.


As for those who say "listen to naats". If anything, I find naats a bit disturbing.

They don't use guitars rather use every effect there is in the studio.

For percussion, they use an "Allah hu allah" beat with extra bass. For the lead vocals they use a reverbed nasally voice.



and as for "Listen to the Quran instead of music". The Quran is not music to me. The Quran is a divine, perfect book. It is a guide to your life. I read the Quran but I cannot read it without the translation. I think it loses it's purpose if you don't know what you're reading.


But anyway guys, I'm not here to change someones views. I suggest you guys do the same. If you think music is forbidden, please don't listen to it.

[aashiqmizaaj]

Originally Posted by Badsha I don't try to break the tie. That is my point. I live my life the way I think is right and the way I believe I can become a good Muslim. I will just mention, for something to be haraam is a very big thing. Such a thing must have been mentioned in the Quraan and there is no mention of music being haraam in the Quran. Far from Haraam, I actually will iA encourage my children to be musicians. It's one of the best arts in the world.

For something that is not haraam, it would have been nice to see the Prophet SAW engage in that activity. Or at least his sahaba RA.

[aashiqmizaaj]

On another note, I think some people here are missing the point. Here's the deal as far as I understand it. What we do here in this life is basically going to determine how things pan out in the hereafter. Now there are only certain types of acts that will work in our favour and the video is basically saying that we should work on making sure that we spend more time on those acts and the reason is simple. We don't know if we're going to make it to the next day, hour, minute or even second. Since we don't know how long we have to bank certain beneficial acts, wouldn't it make sense to invest in those acts now as opposed to later?

Further to that, in the end this is all trade-off - you could listen to music, or you could listen to the Quran. Which act will benefit you in the hereafter? I think even those who consider music not to be haraam can at least agree that when it comes to putting those two acts in a balance, which one will be of more use in the hereafter. Of course we are meant to live life in a balanced fashion, but given that the Prophet SAW and his sahaba were worried about what was going to happen to them on the Day of Judgement, many of us part-time Muslims (myself included) should be worried - I mean really worried.

[James]

Originally Posted by aashiqmizaaj On another note, I think some people here are missing the point. Here's the deal as far as I understand it. What we do here in this life is basically going to determine how things pan out in the hereafter. Now there are only certain types of acts that will work in our favour and the video is basically saying that we should work on making sure that we spend more time on those acts and the reason is simple. We don't know if we're going to make it to the next day, hour, minute or even second. Since we don't know how long we have to bank certain beneficial acts, wouldn't it make sense to invest in those acts now as opposed to later? Further to that, in the end this is all trade-off - you could listen to music, or you could listen to the Quran. Which act will benefit you in the hereafter? I think even those who consider music not to be haraam can at least agree that when it comes to putting those two acts in a balance, which one will be of more use in the hereafter. Of course we are meant to live life in a balanced fashion, but given that the Prophet SAW and his sahaba were worried about what was going to happen to them on the Day of Judgement, many of us part-time Muslims (myself included) should be worried - I mean really worried.

Good post.

Bolded part is IMO one of the many reasons why people become irreligious. There's so much fear espoused by the people in control of organised religion on Earth, which has had an effect on all of us.

The religion I was brought up around - Protestantism - from its inception wanted to move away from the Catholic practice (which still to this day happens, in some places) of terrifying children and adults into thinking they're going to Hell because of the past sins of humankind.

Protestantism instead borrowed from the more sound idea - which I believe Islam teaches also? - that God judges each individual on what they have done, so we should try to be good people in life. Humankind's past sins should be looked at so we can learn not to do them ourselves, but we do not have to take direct responsibility for them per se.

But anyway maybe people just feel happier in life if they're atheists, and not regularly told that Heaven/Paradise/etc has near-impossible entry requirements.......

[aashiqmizaaj]

Originally Posted by James Good post. Bolded part is IMO one of the many reasons why people become irreligious. There's so much fear espoused by the people in control of organised religion on Earth, which has had an effect on all of us. The religion I was brought up around - Protestantism - from its inception wanted to move away from the Catholic practice (which still to this day happens, in some places) of terrifying children and adults into thinking they're going to Hell because of the past sins of humankind. Protestantism instead borrowed from the more sound idea - which I believe Islam teaches also? - that God judges each individual on what they have done, so we should try to be good people in life. Humankind's past sins should be looked at so we can learn not to do them ourselves, but we do not have to take direct responsibility for them per se. But anyway maybe people just feel happier in life if they're atheists, and not regularly told that Heaven/Paradise/etc has near-impossible entry requirements.......

Sorry I may not have articulated my point as soundly as I should have - while Islam does in fact teach us that it's only my actions that will determine how I'm judged (which IMO is appealing and fair), the aspect of worrying that I mentioned is more in line with a sense of humility or sense of avoiding pride/arrogance.

So yes, I can engage in reading the Quran cover to cover, offer all the obligatory prayers and then some, give charity, be a nice person, fast during Ramadan, but in the end, one should be cautious - hopeful that all those acts will be accepted, that hopefully none of those acts were in vain because intentions were off (I wanted to show off or wanted other people to acknowledge etc.).

When the people most closest to Islam had that sense of humility - that whatever acts they did may still not be enough, that hopefully they are accepted (such that these thoughts actually drove them to do more good), then us part-timers need to be a little more humble. Of course one can be happy in believing that God is merciful, so hopefully we benefit from that.

[James]

Thanks, yeah that makes a lot of sense too

But humility aside, a lot of you guys seem really interested in and commited to your faith. So perhaps a bit harsh to call it part-time? I would more correctly be called part-time Christian, and you are a lot less part-time than me...

[aashiqmizaaj]

Originally Posted by James Thanks, yeah that makes a lot of sense too But humility aside, a lot of you guys seem really interested in and commited to your faith. So perhaps a bit harsh to call it part-time? I would more correctly be called part-time Christian, and you are a lot less part-time than me...

The part-time comes from humility

To be honest, I know that I could do more. Yes I am committed to my faith, but how do my actions reflect on that. I pray 5 times, but not all on time. Not all with complete focus. When we think of Islam we should remember it means submission - not I'll do this because it suits me for now and its easy, but that other part I'll leave out for now and focus on it later etc. Hope that made sense.

[James]

Yes it does. Ultimately it is good to have humility so we are always on our toes and looking to improve the way we conduct ourselves, whatever our beliefs

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by aashiqmizaaj The part-time comes from humility To be honest, I know that I could do more. Yes I am committed to my faith, but how do my actions reflect on that. I pray 5 times, but not all on time. Not all with complete focus. When we think of Islam we should remember it means submission - not I'll do this because it suits me for now and its easy, but that other part I'll leave out for now and focus on it later etc. Hope that made sense.

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[Lachrymose]

Originally Posted by aashiqmizaaj On another note, I think some people here are missing the point. Here's the deal as far as I understand it. What we do here in this life is basically going to determine how things pan out in the hereafter. Now there are only certain types of acts that will work in our favour and the video is basically saying that we should work on making sure that we spend more time on those acts and the reason is simple. We don't know if we're going to make it to the next day, hour, minute or even second. Since we don't know how long we have to bank certain beneficial acts, wouldn't it make sense to invest in those acts now as opposed to later? Further to that, in the end this is all trade-off - you could listen to music, or you could listen to the Quran. Which act will benefit you in the hereafter? I think even those who consider music not to be haraam can at least agree that when it comes to putting those two acts in a balance, which one will be of more use in the hereafter. Of course we are meant to live life in a balanced fashion, but given that the Prophet SAW and his sahaba were worried about what was going to happen to them on the Day of Judgement, many of us part-time Muslims (myself included) should be worried - I mean really worried.

Excellent post! Agree with everything you said!

[Badsha]

I do agree that music and all should be balanced. But not only music, even watching t.v, being online, eating. Everything should be balanced.


Nothing should be enough to interfere in your relation with God.

[Impala_KaifTamasha]

Need to find the name of the nasheed at the beginning !