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Wenger and Gazadis should be sacked if...
Arsenal show no ambition in the transfer window. Pretty much last season for Arsenal was a complete write off from the start due to Arsenal messing around in the Transfer window and not taking positive action by getting rid of players that didnt want to be there and getting new players in early so that they could settle in.
Wenger say finishing 3rd place finish as a sucsess after the shameful start to the season, Facts are Arsenal didnt look like challenging or winning any trophies this season. To steal a comment from another football site - "Its like Break a window at home and then taking credit for fixing it" Question is who created the mess in 1st place? Answer is wenger and the board! The Reason Cesc and Nasri left was the clubs complete lack of ambition to try and get in top quality players and compete for trophies. Same reasons why RVP is refusing to sign a contract and if Arsenal dont show ambition then RVP should leave and do whats best for his career. Arsenal are in CL again and have transfer funds left over from last season so any excuse funds arent there is a lot of crap. Also supposidly the whole purpose of moving to the emirates was to compete finanicially. Time and time again wenger has made same mistakes in regards to not strengthening the team when its been needed. Managers like Fergie and Jose may have on one off occasions made mistakes but they put there own egos aside and learn and move on and thats why they continue to have sucess as managers, while wenger doesnt. In regards to Gazadis this is the guy whose meant to look after player contracts etc.. and also sort out the new signings and sponsorship deals etc... something hes failed at misrabley . One has to question why so many players Nasir, RVP, Walcott, Song etc.. have been able to run down there contracts to withing 18-12 months without having contract extensions. Also why real mediocre players Almunia, squillaci, Denilson, Bendtner on stupidly high wages when it is going to make players hard to shift. Also signings like Park who was clearly a so called Marketing ploy have been a joke! Its time Arsenal as a club showed ambition this summer. And signing just one german strikers early is not showing intent! So if Arsenal show no ambition this season and RVP leaves, i think wenger should be sacked as should gazadis. Arsenal have gone backwards for the last 7 seasons. The 1st few were understandable as the move to emirates was going to have an effect on spending. Its shouldnt now. So if wengers only ambition is to finish top 4 to keep the finance in check he should let some else come in and do his job. People need to move with the evoloving times of football and Arsenal penny pinching and lack of ambition isnt going to advance the club! The likes of Spurs, chelsea will strengthen and are not that far of being able to Pass arsenal as club. So Arsene and Ivan show RVP and Arsenal fans a positive signal of intent that club wants to win trophies again or leave. I dont want to hear the same old crap that players who have been injured all season will be like new signings and arsenal have a big sqaud. Facts are Arsenal sqaud is not good enough to compete at back end of the season the way things currently are |
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Totally agree they need to strengthen as our 1st choice team is very competitive however as soon as theres a injury which we are prone with the guys coming in are just simply not good enough. if we can have bench stregth and rotate i think we'll do well.
If RVP leaves for the reason of us not making signings then to me thats fair enough who besides PEP would u replace wenger with? i personally dont think there is any1 out there and we should see how his partner ship with Bould goes |
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if arsenal sell the diaby, chamack, bentner, denilson etc they can easily make 10-15 million, and bring in another good player.
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In terms of finance we've done pretty well - as Gazdiz has organised world tour of China and parts of Africa during the Summer - will be really benficial in terms of receiving income and profit.
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they need to spend big and buy good players.
Go for Munian etc. they will have to pay big to get good players n will need to take risks.
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Arsenal have lost good players again and again for last 7 seasons and if RVP is next then it pretty much shows the lack of ambition at the club. Wenger has gone stale in management and the board are a bunch of penny pinching morons. The sooner the board go and the manager the better to be honest!
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This has been the Arsenal summer show for the last 5-6 years
1.End the season in 3rd/4th place. 2.Fans hope for transfer activity for a title challenge. 3. Transfer attention shifts from buying new players to trying to hold onto the most important player. 4. Important player eventually leaves for big money leaving the squad in transition and rebuilding phase . (Viera, Henry, Flamini, Hleb, Fabregas, Nasri etc etc) 5. Not enough transfer activity. Squad looks in shambles at the start of season. 6. Has a terriible start and just a Champions Lge place would be success. 7. Manage to finsih in 3rd/4th. Rumours abt main player leaving start 8. REPEAT!
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I feel sorry for Arsenal as now Hazard has gone to Chelsea, he could have chose, Aguero, Rooney or RvP but no, he chose Torres...
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Sell the excess in Squillaci, Denilson, Chamakh, Bendtner etc. Will get them plenty of funds to strengthen their defence, that should be Arsenal's priority at the moment besides keeping Van Persie. Mertesacker was extremely poor this season and relatively injury prone. Djourou isn't reliable. The need reliable backup for Vermaelen and Koscielny. They would want Jack Wilshere back to full fitness as soon as possible. If Song stays, Yan M'Villa might not be as important a signing. Expecting Arshavin to be offloaded, he's only gone on loan so far. Gervinho wasn't too convincing his first season. Walcott is too inconsistent, even Ramsey. Arteta was a good signing, Rosicky began to look like his old self towards the end of the season. Benayoun will gone so Podolski is a good signing. Arsenal need to strengthen in order to stay in the top four atleast and maybe get a Carling Cup anything more at this time would be asking for too much.
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Saw a few mumblings on twitter last Night RVP agent has told the club he won't be signing a new contract, more to come after the Euros...
I know both Madrid and Barca are in for a new striker, aswell as Juve and City.
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If they can keep RVP and they already have bought Podolski. They only need a couple of more players. M'Vila will probably come as well. Looks like a decent side if they can keep away from injuries and get Wilshere back.
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Yawn M'Vila is a great player waiting on him to come back from the Euro's to sign him might be a slight risk though because quiet a few English clubs are in for a DM this summer, Chelsea, United, Liverpool and especially City if the loose Yaya. If M'Vila has a good performance in the Euro's i can see is price sky rocketing.
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Arsenal still have funds from last summers sales and weve made CL again so should have cash there to spend. Also if we get rid of all the crap at the club that frees up more money.
Sadly we have a manager past his sell by date and a board who are only interested in profits. Club no longer has ambitions to win trophies. they are just after CL qualification each season! |
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Arsene is 2nd best Manager in the league! Don't know why people want him out.
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arsenal were a shambles this season but still managed to finish third..they have to keep a hold of RVP..I always felt they should have really gone for yaya a few years back..he would have filled the gap viera left..rosicky looks like he's finally fit and in form and you have oxley and walcott too..next year could be a rbeak out year for oxley..
I agree though wenger needs to buy big..check out the guardian website, they have the 50 biggest players who will be moving this summer and arsenal seem to be going for quite a few of them.. I really want to see a good arsenal side competing with the best, as they play sublime stuff at times and wenger is a smart astute and intelligent manager..
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Arsenal football club is not run for the benefit of the fans, it's run for the benefit of the shareholders. And Wenger is making (and had made) the shareholders a lot of money over the years. So why would they want to change a winning formula?
Their policy is spend moderately and target 3rd or 4th - do this year on year and the shareholders make a killing. Lets face it, the top players now want 200k a week. City, Chelsea and Unt (Rooney) can offer this. Arsenal cannot. |
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Teams continue to strength around Arsenal where as wenger and gazadis continue to **** into the window missing out on targets they have had for a while.
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Sometimes I honestly wonder whether your actually the younger one compared to me OR whether am I just naturally a matured cool Arsenal fan? Gazidis has stated pretty clear that Arsenal's ambition for next season is to win 'major trophies', isn't that what you want? We signed Podolski, a proven top class player... Isn't he the type of player you'd want at Arsenal? Gazidis said he held 'good discussion with RVP', isn't that positive? RVP himself doesn't want to discussion his future AFTER the euro's, there's NOTHING... Arsenal can do about that. Anyways, like Gazidis said - there will be more players added after the Euros. I'm expecting to see Giroud arrive and possibly M'villa. Right now, Wenger's focus is to sell the want away players like Chamakh, Vela, Denilson and Park etc then focus on bringing in more additions. Financially we're doing excellent - not in debt compared to other big clubs who right now regret being in such state - I mean just look at Portsmouth and Rangers, is that where you want Arsenal to be? AJ, take a chill pill dude. Seriously.
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Wow, youve read Gazdis interview on ARsenal.com
Hes come out with usual non-answers as usual! wait till the AST meeting tonight when he gets a real grilling from the fans. Most Arsenal fans are fed up with wishy washy answers he gives! "Financially we're doing excellent" - wow bravo! i didnt realize you were an arsenal board member! The club should be trying to sign world class players to win the title. Not trying to make profits by selling best players all the time. The so called do the transfer buisness early was a load of BS as per usual. One signing more then likely a replacement for RVP isnt a sign of Intent! |
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Gazadis and Richard Law are the two guys responsible for players contracts, making player bids etc.... So why is it continously are best players are being allowed to run down their contracts without them being renewed earlier? These are same people making cheap bids for players like Juan Mata etc... and we end up missing out on top players.... Gazadis is a corporate puppet for the penny pinching board! We have to billionare owners who pretty much have 95% of the stake in the club, yet the board dont want usmanov on board, because then the club might actually have to spend money. Stan kronke has no interest in investing into Arsenal to make a sucess and nor do the board want any of there profits being used either! I hope Usmanov takes over and we start to compete in the Transfer market. If you think the current sqaud plus one/two more signings is going to win PL or CL your deluding yourself big time. City will get stronger, United will improve and chelsea have already shown there intent with 2 signings and many more to come... Only way to compete with that is to make big signings aswell... Something which aint going to happen! Also with RVP situation, Gazadis said earlier in season Arsenal would wait till end of season before dicussions. Thats pretty foolish to do when a player is likely to have to go to a Euro training camp 3/4 days after season ends. Gazadis/Wenger were both banking on RVP turning and saying wheres my new contract, Plain and simple Like Cesc, Nasri and a whole host of other players that have left RVP wants to see top players being signed so club can compete! something we didnt do last season! our season and so called title challenge was over by mid september! The way things are that aint going to change any time soon! Last edited by Amjid Javed; 6th June 2012 at 09:43. |
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I share your frustrations with not extending RVP's contract during the period when the season was on going, I mean which stupid club waits till Summer to offer their best player a contract? However... Perhaps RVP also wanted to sort out the contract issue once the season ended? Who knows? Anyways, it doesn't matter now because if it did, then RVP would have signed the contract now - despite Gazidis saying 'good discussions' were held.
We are doing financially well - in terms of not being in debt compared to other bigger clubs, it shall benefit us for the long term - you'll hate the statement but it's a fact and it's for the best, and you know it. Regarding Usmanov - he's even willing to offer funds to Arsenal however would you want a member like him who has cases filed against him and is nothing but corruped? I wouldn't. We've tried to sign big players in the past but failed, such as Alonso, Reina, Jones, Samba and Mata - but that doesn't matter now. What Arsenal need to do is keep the current crop of players, including RVP. And add 2-3 proven top class players.
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I don't really blame Arsenal for the RVP situation
I agree letting a player only have 12 months left on his contract is not wise BUT think back to last summer and you could understand the reluctance of offering him a lucrative and lengthy contract. RVP is a class player BUT he has had injury problems, it just so happens that this season he remained clear from injuries and played every game If RVP had an injury disrupted campaign as one would have expected then no doubt it would have been RVP clamouring for a new contract, as it is he now holds all the cards Regardless of what RVP decides Arsenal do need to buy a few top players if they want to compete BUT majority of the top players are at the Euro's so it is a case of being patient |
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i was reading about this Gazadis interview, off camera he gave some interesting stuff.
1) apparently United have asked about RVP availability and Arsenal told them no chance 2) apparently Mata was ready to sign for Arsenal but the board refused to pay the £6 million deal fee his agent wanted, Wenger was furious and hours later he signed with Chelsea.
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Only 2 new signings. still have all the dead wood at the club! we still need a play maker, DM, Defender and back up keeper. The skipper wants to leave, wont be shock of walcott (The useless ****) goes as well.
Alex song i doubt now will sign a new contract. Wilshire still injured! Once again a mess created by wenger and board an they should have the balls and deceny to resign. |
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Guess Vermaelen will be the next one to go as he's the primary candidate for the captain's armband.
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Can't really fault RVP if he wants to play for a big club like Spurs.
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You need to look at the activity of other clubs to realise Arsenal are not being pathetic, it is just normal, most clubs will do the bulk of their transfer work in the coming weeks. We have made just 1 signing, that too a freebie yet we are not going mental |
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Alisher Usmanov and Farhad Moshiri have hit out at the Arsenal board in the wake of Robin van Persie's decision not to extend his contract.
Usmanov and Moshiri are major shareholders in the Gunners via their Red & White Securities investment vehicle, and have written a letter to the club's hierarchy in the wake of the events of the past 24 hours. Red & White Securities hold around 30 per cent of shares in the Gunners' parent company, which was the subject of a takeover in 2011 by American tycoon Stan Kroenke. Van Persie announced on Wednesday afternoon that he would not remain at Emirates Stadium beyond the final 12 months of his contracts following discussions with manager Arsene Wenger and chief executive Ivan Gazidis. The Gunners captain, who bagged 30 goals in the Premier League last season to secure the Golden Boot, admitted that he could not find a common ground with the club over their future plans and ambitions for silverware. Cheaper replacements Usmanov and Moshiri believe Wenger's hands are being tied by the stance of the club's board and they fear the club's best players will continue to depart unless changes are made. "It is down to our manager and not the shareholders to have to deal with the club's tight finances, carry the burden of repaying the stadium debt by selling his best players and having to continue to find cheaper replacements," the duo wrote. "All of that, naturally, comes at the expense of performance on the pitch. "This policy is leading to the loss of our best players, often to our main competitors, and even causes the players themselves to question their future at the club and the club's ambitions. "The situation with our captain and outstanding performer from last season, Robin van Persie, sums this up. Great manager "Yet again we are faced with losing our true marquee player at the club because we cannot assure him of the future direction and give confidence that we can win trophies. "Where are the safeguards to ensure that this doesn't happen again and again in the future? "As a top club we should, at the very least, match if not beat the offers that other clubs make to try and lure our very best players away, and also provide a more compelling vision of the future. "You can try and put a good face on a bad game for as long as you want, pontificating about the merits of this model, but it will not hide the obvious fact that it just does not allow our great manager to fully realise his managerial talent and deliver success for the fans who are paying the highest prices in the land." |
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Alisher Usmanov and Farhad Moshiri have hit out at the Arsenal board in the wake of Robin van Persie's decision not to extend his contract.
Usmanov and Moshiri are major shareholders in the Gunners via their Red & White Securities investment vehicle, and have written a letter to the club's hierarchy in the wake of the events of the past 24 hours. Red & White Securities hold around 30 per cent of shares in the Gunners' parent company, which was the subject of a takeover in 2011 by American tycoon Stan Kroenke. Van Persie announced on Wednesday afternoon that he would not remain at Emirates Stadium beyond the final 12 months of his contracts following discussions with manager Arsene Wenger and chief executive Ivan Gazidis. The Gunners captain, who bagged 30 goals in the Premier League last season to secure the Golden Boot, admitted that he could not find a common ground with the club over their future plans and ambitions for silverware. Cheaper replacements Usmanov and Moshiri believe Wenger's hands are being tied by the stance of the club's board and they fear the club's best players will continue to depart unless changes are made. "It is down to our manager and not the shareholders to have to deal with the club's tight finances, carry the burden of repaying the stadium debt by selling his best players and having to continue to find cheaper replacements," the duo wrote. "All of that, naturally, comes at the expense of performance on the pitch. "This policy is leading to the loss of our best players, often to our main competitors, and even causes the players themselves to question their future at the club and the club's ambitions. "The situation with our captain and outstanding performer from last season, Robin van Persie, sums this up. Great manager "Yet again we are faced with losing our true marquee player at the club because we cannot assure him of the future direction and give confidence that we can win trophies. "Where are the safeguards to ensure that this doesn't happen again and again in the future? "As a top club we should, at the very least, match if not beat the offers that other clubs make to try and lure our very best players away, and also provide a more compelling vision of the future. "You can try and put a good face on a bad game for as long as you want, pontificating about the merits of this model, but it will not hide the obvious fact that it just does not allow our great manager to fully realise his managerial talent and deliver success for the fans who are paying the highest prices in the land." |
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sell wenger are you actually an arsenal fan? he has constantly gotten arsenal into the top 4 with whatever resources he has had, including the sale of his best players year after year. he is competing with clubs who have millions to spill out like toilet paper and yet still finishes near enough then in the league he signed giroud and podolski this year and rvp has let him down after all the times he has stood by him. sick of ungrateful arsenal fans like you who dont see reason would you rather be happy we spent year after year like spurs and liverpool and still ended up mid table? yeah i thought so i do agree however that gazidis and kroenke need to go
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however, time and time again since wenger has made stupid mistakes where pretty much the team has thrown away titles due to his stuborness. At times weve just need to sign another defender or striker etc.. to cover shortfalls in sqaud and we would have gone on to probably win title a few more times. Instead wengers show blind faith to the sqaud and chose to penny pinch! as those lost oppurtunities have gone the gap between chelsea/man united and even now city and arsenal has widened every season as other clubs have been proactive to change and arsene has just stood buy and watched the team and club decline and took no real action to solve it. Whilst all the blame doesnt sit with wenger, (The board is as much to blame as well). Why are there so many useless players on high wages at club? Wenger want players on smiliar wages so that it would build good team bonding, well guess what there is team bonding, And the **** players are now hard to budge both other clubs wont pay stupid wages for players who arent worth it. Why all last season did arsene **** around with nasri/Cesc saga and then only last minute when season had already been pretty much written off then go make some panic buys off which one was only ever a decent player? For all the dislike i have for Man united and managers like mourinho, the once difference between fergie/mourinho and wenger is the 1st two also make mistakes but have learn to adapt to change and still gain sucsess. wenger has had his head stuck in sand for last 4/5 season while team slowly rots! No id rather not be like spurs and liverpool. However i expect alot more from arsenal, no one is asking wenger to go and spend 50 M on one player! however, wenger at times has refused to spend 5-10M on players when its been needed! A few season ago we were top of league going into 2nd half of the season and had injuries galore at the back! all that was needed was for wenger to go buy a new CB or even two defenders. instead he decided on getting cheap past there sell by date rejects into the club and title challenge fell apart! when ever some how ever great or good they were start to make simple and stupid mistakes all the time, then its time for them to go. Time for a new board and managers, New ideas and new direction for the club! the club wants self-sustaining model and wants some profit! heres an idea! build a team which can win some trophies and that itself generates cash in return! |
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