Comparison of Pakistan U-19 vs India U-19

[sehsan]

2 sides with lots of potential, pundits calling them favorites of the tournament.

Can someone with more knowledge about both sides compare these 2 teams?

[Bewal Express]

Both teams will have over aged players, which will make those individuals look better than they are. In the 1990`s there was an U15 wc in the UK and the Indians had an amazing player for someone so young-his name was Sodhi. But it later transpired that he was nearer 18 rather 15.

[Pakistaniboy]

Originally Posted by kabir000 Both teams will have over aged players, which will make those individuals look better than they are. In the 1990`s there was an U15 wc in the UK and the Indians had an amazing player for someone so young-his name was Sodhi. But it later transpired that he was nearer 18 rather 15.

Wrist Tests Guys.

+/- of 6 Months or so.

Jeez, why is it so difficult for someone to understand that!

[khanz141]

Originally Posted by kabir000 Both teams will have over aged players, which will make those individuals look better than they are. In the 1990`s there was an U15 wc in the UK and the Indians had an amazing player for someone so young-his name was Sodhi. But it later transpired that he was nearer 18 rather 15.

Originally Posted by Pakistaniboy Wrist Tests Guys. +/- of 6 Months or so. Jeez, why is it so difficult for someone to understand that!

He is from the 80s, 90s so its understandable that he is still assuming they are older than their age by 3 - 4 years.

[IAJ]

Two highly talented teams and alongside SA u19s they are favourites to win the u19 WC later this year.

In Asian conditions both teams looks evenly good as we saw in the U19 Aisa Cup ealier in summer.
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India u19s played a 4-nation tournament in Australia in april this year. The other 3 teams were Australia u19s, NZ u19s and England U19s.
India lost all 3 matches in the group stages. But all teams had to play semi-finals after that and India u19s, bottom at the table med England u19s who topped the table.

And led by captain Chand India u19s beat England in the semifinal and went on to play Australia u19s who had defeated NZ u19s. Chand made 90+ against England.

In the final India decided to bowl first and bowled Australia out quite cheaply for 190+ and then chased it down, again led by Chand who scored a century.

If there were no semi-finals India would have gone home empty-handed without a single win, but when they lose 3 maches and then win the last two, they showed alot of determination and courage.

But as we have seen India depend to much on their captain Chand. If he performs they are dangerous, but if he fails there seems to be no other who can take the control of the game, though they have a very talented batsman in Zol.

Their spinner Aparajith is also handy with the bat. Sandeed Sharma is probably their best bowler. But they seems to lack a geniune allrounder.

Indian posters can tell us more about India u19 I think.
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Moving on to Pakistan, I have seen U19 WC since 2004 and to me the current team looks the strongest pakistani team since 2004.
They seem to have covered all areas and even the fielding has improved.

They played a tri nation series in SA ealier this year where they lost to SA u19s, but when the same two met in a bilateral series Pakistan u19s won the 3 match series 2-1.

Sami Aslam, the talented lefty opener was probalby our biggest star in SA. Mohammad Nawaz, an allrounder bowled well and batted well. Babar Azam batted also well in patches and so did Umar Waheed. And not to forget the the quicks, Zia ul Haq and Ehsan Adil who also bowled well there.

Skipping the matches against the british university Pakistan u19s were joint winners of Asia Cup when the final against India u19s were tied.
Sami Alsam was the biggest hero and he was also the best batsman of the tournament.

As the two matches against Australia u19s in the current series have showed, Pakistan u19s do not depend too much on Sami Aslam or Zia ul Haq. Both were average in the first match but Pakistan still won and Sami didn't do much in the second match either and Pakistan won that one also.

All in all Pakistan u19s have two very fine openers in Sami Aslam and Babar Azam. Then you have Imam Ul Haq who looks very solid. At no.4 you have Umar Waheed who is also a finisher even though he bats at no 4.

Mohammad Nawaz who takes wickets and bowls very economically is also a big hitter of the ball.
People who saw him in one of the matches in Faysal Bank T20 will agree with me.

A very fine leggie in Usman Qadir. He goes for runs but he also takes wickets and he is also handy with the bat. I have allways called him Chota Afridi (little afridi).

We all know how good Zia Ul Haq is. Ehsan Adil seems also like a good prospect and Azizullah has allways taken wickets and bowled well.
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In the end I would say that Pakistan u19s is a more talented team than the current India u19s because what we have seen so far India u19s depend to much on their highly talented captain Chand whereas Pakistan u19s have more matchwinners, if you can put it that way.

But when India and Pakistan play eachother then the team wich play better cricket on the day will go out as winners.

[Sledger]

Originally Posted by Pakistaniboy Wrist Tests Guys. +/- of 6 Months or so. Jeez, why is it so difficult for someone to understand that!

This lol.

I also facepalm whenever people talk about how it's 'easy' to get around wrist tests.

[IgnitedMind]

Unmukt Chand is our next Virat Kohli !!!!!

Chand and Vijay Zol are the one's I am looking forward...both super talented players.

but as usual..we will have good batsmens and you will have good bowlers!!!

[Pakistaniboy]

Originally Posted by navroks123 Unmukt Chand is our next Virat Kohli !!!!! Chand and Vijay Zol are the one's I am looking forward...both super talented players. but as usual..we will have good batsmens and you will have good bowlers!!!

Let him be a Sehwag or Gambhir,

But Please not another Kohli

[Justcrazy]

U / 19 and International cricket are different ball games. Its a huge jump to that level, not many have done that well. Pakistan were runner ups last time, this time they should go for the kill.

Pakistan middle order needs to be aggressive.

[Bewal Express]

Originally Posted by Pakistaniboy Wrist Tests Guys. +/- of 6 Months or so. Jeez, why is it so difficult for someone to understand that!

So people cant be paid to manipulate wrist tests?

[Bewal Express]

Originally Posted by Sledger This lol. I also facepalm whenever people talk about how it's 'easy' to get around wrist tests.

In Pakistan and Ind if you pay enough anything can be done!

[NFS]

Originally Posted by IAJ Two highly talented teams and alongside SA u19s they are favourites to win the u19 WC later this year. In Asian conditions both teams looks evenly good as we saw in the U19 Aisa Cup ealier in summer. __________________________________________________ _____ India u19s played a 4-nation tournament in Australia in april this year. The other 3 teams were Australia u19s, NZ u19s and England U19s. India lost all 3 matches in the group stages. But all teams had to play semi-finals after that and India u19s, bottom at the table med England u19s who topped the table. And led by captain Chand India u19s beat England in the semifinal and went on to play Australia u19s who had defeated NZ u19s. Chand made 90+ against England. In the final India decided to bowl first and bowled Australia out quite cheaply for 190+ and then chased it down, again led by Chand who scored a century. If there were no semi-finals India would have gone home empty-handed without a single win, but when they lose 3 maches and then win the last two, they showed alot of determination and courage. But as we have seen India depend to much on their captain Chand. If he performs they are dangerous, but if he fails there seems to be no other who can take the control of the game, though they have a very talented batsman in Zol. Their spinner Aparajith is also handy with the bat. Sandeed Sharma is probably their best bowler. But they seems to lack a geniune allrounder. Indian posters can tell us more about India u19 I think. __________________________________________________ ______ Moving on to Pakistan, I have seen U19 WC since 2004 and to me the current team looks the strongest pakistani team since 2004. They seem to have covered all areas and even the fielding has improved. They played a tri nation series in SA ealier this year where they lost to SA u19s, but when the same two met in a bilateral series Pakistan u19s won the 3 match series 2-1. Sami Aslam, the talented lefty opener was probalby our biggest star in SA. Mohammad Nawaz, an allrounder bowled well and batted well. Babar Azam batted also well in patches and so did Umar Waheed. And not to forget the the quicks, Zia ul Haq and Ehsan Adil who also bowled well there. Skipping the matches against the british university Pakistan u19s were joint winners of Asia Cup when the final against India u19s were tied. Sami Alsam was the biggest hero and he was also the best batsman of the tournament. As the two matches against Australia u19s in the current series have showed, Pakistan u19s do not depend too much on Sami Aslam or Zia ul Haq. Both were average in the first match but Pakistan still won and Sami didn't do much in the second match either and Pakistan won that one also. All in all Pakistan u19s have two very fine openers in Sami Aslam and Babar Azam. Then you have Imam Ul Haq who looks very solid. At no.4 you have Umar Waheed who is also a finisher even though he bats at no 4. Mohammad Nawaz who takes wickets and bowls very economically is also a big hitter of the ball. People who saw him in one of the matches in Faysal Bank T20 will agree with me. A very fine leggie in Usman Qadir. He goes for runs but he also takes wickets and he is also handy with the bat. I have allways called him Chota Afridi (little afridi). We all know how good Zia Ul Haq is. Ehsan Adil seems also like a good prospect and Azizullah has allways taken wickets and bowled well. __________________________________________________ ______ In the end I would say that Pakistan u19s is a more talented team than the current India u19s because what we have seen so far India u19s depend to much on their highly talented captain Chand whereas Pakistan u19s have more matchwinners, if you can put it that way. But when India and Pakistan play eachother then the team wich play better cricket on the day will go out as winners.

India U19 have 3 good batsmen in chand, zol, nath. Nath is the finisher as he bats in the middle order, from UP he has won them lots of matches playing in tight situations, as he demonstrated in the match against Pakistan. India lack an opener, and supporting middle and lower middle order. Bowling depends on quicks this time and only 1 genuine. Good spinner in Vikas mishra. They have an genuine all rounder in baba aparajith who is a off spinner and a 1st down batsman who had scored 4 consecutive centuries in one of the domestic competition, but don't have a good series in Australia, in all India are an OK team compared to Pakistan.
I won't be surprised to see England doing very well as they have some really strong players for the conditions in Australia, aneesh Kapil Adam ball, bell drummond, Overton bros. are some names, they will be a handful believe me. This guy Drummond just scored couple of 40's against south Africa, aneesh Kapil scored a half century against south Africans, Overton bros. played well in the county circuit.

[IAJ]

Originally Posted by NFS India U19 have 3 good batsmen in chand, zol, nath. Nath is the finisher as he bats in the middle order, from UP he has won them lots of matches playing in tight situations, as he demonstrated in the match against Pakistan. India lack an opener, and supporting middle and lower middle order. Bowling depends on quicks this time and only 1 genuine. Good spinner in Vikas mishra. They have an genuine all rounder in baba aparajith who is a off spinner and a 1st down batsman who had scored 4 consecutive centuries in one of the domestic competition, but don't have a good series in Australia, in all India are an OK team compared to Pakistan. I won't be surprised to see England doing very well as they have some really strong players for the conditions in Australia, aneesh Kapil Adam ball, bell drummond, Overton bros. are some names, they will be a handful believe me. This guy Drummond just scored couple of 40's against south Africa, aneesh Kapil scored a half century against south Africans, Overton bros. played well in the county circuit.

Yes wont be surprised if he ends up being the leading run getter in the WC. I think he topped the list in that 4 nation tournament in Australia earlier this year as well.

[Pakistaniboy]

Originally Posted by kabir000 So people cant be paid to manipulate wrist tests?

Can you manipulate ICC Officials?

Its not done by some Gully Doctor in Pakistan.

[Bewal Express]

Give me the source for your claim that the ICC do these tests? Please dont just make up things.

[Pakistaniboy]

Upon receipt and review of the Age Determination Forms ICC retains the right to

A) Request additional documentation.
B) Request the Player to submit to an independent Physiological Age
examination.
C) Disqualify a Player if, upon the evidence in its possession it is reasonably
satisfied that the Player is over age and/or if it is not satisfied as to the
existence, quality and/or authenticity of the relevant Player’s
Chronological Age documentary proof. A Player disqualified under this
provision would be entitled to appeal against disqualification in
accordance with Clause F below.
E. During the event

1. The Chairman of the Event Technical Committee shall be entitled to
randomly select Players to examine and review their Chronological Age
documents.

2. The Chairman of the Event Technical Committee may also examine and review
the Chronological Age documents of a specific Player if he is in receipt of a
written complaint from one of the Participating Nations about that specific Player.

2. If the Chairman of the Event Technical Committee is not satisfied as to the
existence, quality and/or authenticity of the relevant Players Chronological Age
documentary proof he shall be entitled to request that the Player submit to an
independent Physiological Age examination. A local doctor will be selected by
the Event Technical Committee for this purpose. The cost of any such
examination will be paid by the ICC from the event budget.

3. Results of any independent Physiological Age examination will be carefully
considered by the Event Technical Committee and it shall then decide if the player is, in its opinion, over age

[Pakistaniboy]

The Technical Comittee always let a player participate when they are sure that he is not over-age.

Recently an U19 Fast Bowlers was denied to play for Pakistan when its was discovered that he was over age after a Wrist Test Examination.

[Pakistaniboy]

I`ve Sent The ICC an email to recieve additonal documents and will post them here if I get them.

[Bewal Express]

What happens in reality is that the local board is trusted to do the right thing. But as we know in Pakistan and Ind it is the mighty $ that rules.

[LastLaugh_PK]

Originally Posted by kabir000 What happens in reality is that the local board is trusted to do the right thing. But as we know in Pakistan and Ind it is the mighty $ that rules.

Bro now you are just trolling..

[Pakistaniboy]

Originally Posted by LastLaugh_PK Bro now you are just trolling..

Exactly.

[Bewal Express]

Sorry guys- I apologise for saying that Bribery is a problem. We know that Pakistan doesn`t have that problem and things cant be done that way.

[jusarrived]

Indian U-19 team is crap , except for Zol and Chand

[NFS]

just came to know that india u19 lost two players due to dengue/fracture ( manan vohra & mohsin sayyed) . Now they have even less firepower. They have been replaced by ravikant singh & Hanuma Vihari Gade.

[Cryin Out Loud]

Not to the main theme of this thread but a sideline

Many, many years ago, probably before most of you lads on PP were born, I was selected to play a game for the Mount St Mary's Class V-VII team against St Columba's School Class V-VII team. Both Delhi schools.

One of their bowlers had a beard. Decades later I can still remember the absolute shock, scandal that a bowler with a frikkin' beard was part of the class V-VIII team and bowling to us. I hardly need to add that they walloped the bejesus out of us.

It's a good job that, AFAIK, the world did not, and does not, have under-15, under-13 Olympics and such like. Otherwise Indian and Pakistani U-15 and U-13 men with beards, and for all I know women with beards, would have smashed all records forever.

[Yuri]

Pakistan obviously is better... You guys always seem to have so much talent.
It's usually team selection and PCB officials who let you down, otherwise Pakistan is easily better than all other teams in this World Cup.

[Couch Cricketer]

Originally Posted by Cryin Out Loud Not to the main theme of this thread but a sideline Many, many years ago, probably before most of you lads on PP were born, I was selected to play a game for the Mount St Mary's Class V-VII team against St Columba's School Class V-VII team. Both Delhi schools. One of their bowlers had a beard. Decades later I can still remember the absolute shock, scandal that a bowler with a frikkin' beard was part of the class V-VIII team and bowling to us. I hardly need to add that they walloped the bejesus out of us. It's a good job that, AFAIK, the world did not, and does not, have under-15, under-13 Olympics and such like. Otherwise Indian and Pakistani U-15 and U-13 men with beards, and for all I know women with beards, would have smashed all records forever.

I have been shaving from class 9 and I was almost 14 at the time had to use a trimmer from class 7. Facial hair does not necessarily mean a person is older I have had to live with people thinking I am dumb in school because I looked older and people assumed I was someone that had to repeat classes.
Anyway the guy you are talking might actually be the age or might have repeated 1 or 2 years.

[LethalSami]

Originally Posted by Yuri Pakistan obviously is better... You guys always seem to have so much talent. It's usually team selection and PCB officials who let you down, otherwise Pakistan is easily better than all other teams in this World Cup.

sarcasm???

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by LethalSami sarcasm???

haha ...
Sarcasm with a bit of truth to it. Even though your national team is a bit of a disappointment, the U19 ones are true rOcKsTaRS..

[withlovefrom vizag]

aparajith,zol,chand look really good...........
But the one you never want to see is Sandeep sharma,he is crap!!!

[BoomBoomCricket]

They have both won the WC 2 times each.

They have met twice this year. Pakistan won by 1 run and the other was tied.

[Rizwan25]

Originally Posted by kabir000 What happens in reality is that the local board is trusted to do the right thing. But as we know in Pakistan and Ind it is the mighty $ that rules.

Do you ever have anything positive to say? You troll on every single thread...