Zulqarnain Haider is going to disappoint thread.

[sully3]

Guys before you start having a fit and think im a fool, i have nothing against Zulqarnain. i want the team to find a better keeper then kamran Akmal more then anything.

But keep in mind Kamran is the best choice at the moment, he was easily our best batsman in ODI series against england and is a vital part of the limited overs team, it is plan stupidity to drop him from the team few months before the world cup.

Zulqarnain Haider didn't impress me at all in the test he played, we keep forgetting Ajmal even scored a 50 at the time. Zulqarnain dropped some sitters in the test. No one can prove to me that he is a better keeper then Akmal.
Zulqarnain's average of 15.70 in 61 list-A games is just plan awful. he is not the answer. we need a keeper who is better then akmal not worst.

i will go as far as saying Zulqarnain wont score a single 50 in this series.


BUMP this thread as many times as you want if im wrong.

[cricfan967]

Zoni did not drop any sitters. As I recall, the chances he dropped were actually tough and required him to dive. And how do you judge him after he's only played one test..?
Kamran is a repeated failure, tried, and tried, and tried. He's a good bat in ODIs but his drop catches make up for it. Even in that one test.. Zoni was the only Pakistani batsmen that actually fought for the team. And so what if 'even Saeed Ajmal made a 50?' He is known to being able to do a bit of batting. Do you not remember the record partnership vs NZ? I think it's a step forward, and if he does well, perhaps this maybe the end of Akmal.

[Looney]

will make sure this thread is an epic fail

[HKpak1234]

Firstly Haider scored 88 in one test innings. I'm not sure Kamran made that in the whole test series against England. Haider dropped sitters are you forgetting the many easy catches Kamran dropped. Remember Sydney.

He needs more tests to show you he's better than Akmal. How can he prove it in one test. Who cares how good his list A average is he scored 88 on debut he deserves another chance against SA.

When was the last time Akmal scored a 50 in a test match?

[sully3]

Originally Posted by cricfan967 Zoni did not drop any sitters. As I recall, the chances he dropped were actually tough and required him to dive. And how do you judge him after he's only played one test..? Kamran is a repeated failure, tried, and tried, and tried. He's a good bat in ODIs but his drop catches make up for it. I think it's a step forward.

average of 15 in 61 pakistan-A games gives me the right to judge him

[Wised up]

it is plan stupidity to drop him from the team few months before the world cup.
"The team will also be without Kamran Akmal who has just undergone an appendicitis operation. Zulqarnain Haider, who replaced Akmal for one Test in the summer against England and scored a valiant 88, has been given an opportunity to build on that first impression.
cricinfo.

[HKpak1234]

Can you please answer my question sully3? I'm sure it'll take you a while.

[sully3]

Originally Posted by HKpak1234 Firstly Haider scored 88 in one test innings. I'm not sure Kamran made that in the whole test series against England.

and ajmal scored a 50, it was probably a more hard fought innings then haider, does that mean ajmal should open the innings for pakistan?

hope that shut you up

[Gollum]

All Zoni has to do is hold his catches. No one will be expecting him to carry the batting or anything silly like that. He's a place holder for WK slot until Kami returns.

[HKpak1234]

and ajmal scored a 50, it was probably a more hard fought innings then haider, does that mean ajmal should open the innings for pakistan

What it means is that if you suceed you deserve another chance. Akmal has failed for over a year now in tests but still you think Akmal deserves another chance.

btw Akmal scored a mighty 28 runs in 6 innings against England.

[sully3]

Originally Posted by HKpak1234 What it means is that if you suceed you deserve another chance. Akmal has failed for over a year now in tests but still you think Akmal deserves another chance. btw Akmal scored a mighty 28 runs in 6 innings against England.

go back to the opening post and read how many times have i said limited overs. if you dont understand that, it means one day or t20 cricket.

and how many runs did akmal score in the odi series? im pretty sure he was our top scorer.

[HKpak1234]

go back to the opening post and read how many times have i said limited overs. if you dont understand that, it means one day or t20 cricket. and how many runs did akmal score in the odi series? im pretty sure he was our top scorer.

Well why talk about Haider and the test match but not Akaml's performances in test matches. Test matches are the most important form of the game. If you don't know this you aren't much of a cricket fan.

[Decipher]

Originally Posted by sully3 Guys before you start having a fit and think im a fool, i have nothing against Zulqarnain. i want the team to find a better keeper then kamran Akmal more then anything. But keep in mind Kamran is the best choice at the moment, he was easily our best batsman in ODI series against england and is a vital part of the limited overs team, it is plan stupidity to drop him from the team few months before the world cup. Zulqarnain Haider didn't impress me at all in the test he played, we keep forgetting Ajmal even scored a 50 at the time. Zulqarnain dropped some sitters in the test. No one can prove to me that he is a better keeper then Akmal. Zulqarnain's average of 15.70 in 61 list-A games is just plan awful. he is not the answer. we need a keeper who is better then akmal not worst. i will go as far as saying Zulqarnain wont score a single 50 in this series. BUMP this thread as many times as you want if im wrong.

This is a genuinely good observation and I am glad you didn't turn out to be one of those typical "jazbaati" fans who are like a political "Lota" without a brain.

I tend to agree with you. Zulqarnan's reflexes looked way too slow for a list A level wicket keeper (talk about the international level debutant ??), and his batting (hope I am wrong) looked like a fluke on his day.


I will be pleasantly surprised if he doesn't sink pretty soon.

Got my fingers crossed and wish him all the best.

[shaykh1985]

Originally Posted by sully3 Guys before you start having a fit and think im a fool, i have nothing against Zulqarnain. i want the team to find a better keeper then kamran Akmal more then anything. But keep in mind Kamran is the best choice at the moment, he was easily our best batsman in ODI series against england and is a vital part of the limited overs team, it is plan stupidity to drop him from the team few months before the world cup. Zulqarnain Haider didn't impress me at all in the test he played, we keep forgetting Ajmal even scored a 50 at the time. Zulqarnain dropped some sitters in the test. No one can prove to me that he is a better keeper then Akmal. Zulqarnain's average of 15.70 in 61 list-A games is just plan awful. he is not the answer. we need a keeper who is better then akmal not worst. i will go as far as saying Zulqarnain wont score a single 50 in this series. BUMP this thread as many times as you want if im wrong.

I don't think he will disappoint...but thats probably to do with me not having expectations for his batting...

Kami is by far the superior batsman in ODI cricket...hes one of the best in our side currently...and with 50 over cricket your keeping isnt exposed as much...in ODI cricket Kami is actually a top keeper batsman...

In terms of Zulqarnain's choice in the side...I'm not expecting an 88 from him every game and tbh I agree with the poster that he performances in limited overs cricket to date leave a lot to be desired...but by virtue of that 88 he deserves his place as Kami's understudy...

It would have been terribly unfair to drop him and replace him with someone else...he has earned the opportunity...

[Down2Earth]

zoni will do well with the gloves but sadly he's not a limited over cricketer. hopefully he'll prove me wrong.

[1137moiz]

Um Haider is a far better keeper...and anyway he's a one-day slogger, he'll probably come in to bat at Number 7 or 8. He had the temperament to hit that defiant 88, but he's a keeper who can bat so don't expect too much--he's our best alternative atm

[1137moiz]

Originally Posted by Down2Earth zoni will do well with the gloves but sadly he's not a limited over cricketer. hopefully he'll prove me wrong.

er the original criticism of Haider some years ago was that he was a "slogger". If anything one-days (playing at number 7 or 8 not opening like Kami) should fit right in

[Down2Earth]

Originally Posted by 1137moiz er the original criticism of Haider some years ago was that he was a "slogger". If anything one-days (playing at number 7 or 8 not opening like Kami) should fit right in

not from what i've seen

[1137moiz]

Originally Posted by Down2Earth not from what i've seen

No he's got decent technique but his basic role is as a whacker

[Decipher]

Originally Posted by shaykh1985 I don't think he will disappoint...but thats probably to do with me not having expectations for his batting... Kami is by far the superior batsman in ODI cricket...hes one of the best in our side currently...and with 50 over cricket your keeping isnt exposed as much...in ODI cricket Kami is actually a top keeper batsman... In terms of Zulqarnain's choice in the side...I'm not expecting an 88 from him every game and tbh I agree with the poster that he performances in limited overs cricket to date leave a lot to be desired...but by virtue of that 88 he deserves his place as Kami's understudy... It would have been terribly unfair to drop him and replace him with someone else...he has earned the opportunity...

That's fair enough !!

[FastBowler]

Originally Posted by Down2Earth not from what i've seen

yeah you saw him in a back against the wall innings fighting to save a match.

[MR__KHAN__JI]

The case for Kamran!

Tests

Inns Runs HS Ave 100 50
92 2648 158* 30.79 6 12


Can you name me the current batsmen with a better record than this? I am not saying he is a Mohammed Yousuf - BUT he is brilliant for No 7.

When we were chasing that low total against Australia this summer - the batsmen were falling like nine-pins feeling nervous - he was the only one that didnt look nervous!

The above shows he has some batting class.

Yes - he has had a bad year BUT form is temporary class is permanent.

Keeping - He is an up and down keeper he has good and bad spells.

What does this mean? That he cant keep - NO! Because if he couldnt - he would ALWAYS be bad.

It means that he needs some good guidance to help him work out why he has these bad spells.

Its purely mental - when he makes a mistake - everybody starts jumping on his back and then he makes more and more mistakes.

A little bit like football goalkeepers.

You dont make that much investment in a player and then throw it away.


ODIs

Only 11 Pakistani players EVER have scored more centuries than him.
Only 4 of those players (Z Abbas, Salman Butt, Saeed Anwar, and Mohammad Yousuf) have got more centuries per innings.

I'd rather have that in my team than not!

T20's

No Pakistani player has scored more T20 runs than Kamran (PS: at a strike rate of 124)
No Pakistani player has scored more T20 50's than Kamran.
Only 6 other players in the world have more T20 runs than Kamran.


FROM WORLD CLASS to THIRD CLASS

[insaftak]

He can't be worse than Ramdin of West Indies.

[aamerfan]

[farazaidi]

how about betting kawwa biryani treat if he doesnt disappoint?

[nyyankee13]

his job is to be a wicket keeper.

will he make mistakes, yes! hopefully the good things will outweigh any mistakes.

[cricking]

on one side we gave a guy so many chances despite of the fact that he dropped sitters and also failed in batting and now that he is medically unfit for the series we are showing concerns over a guy who atleast started his career on the right track. He deserves complete SA series and if ODI and T20 are going to come first then I think its highly unlikely that even if Kami gets fit for tests, he will be given any chance.
Kamran is over weight for keeper. Guy who has so much fat on his belly , how come you expect him to make that perfect posture all the day.

[iRfaN_LA]

Kamran Akmal is our best choice for T20s and ODIs, mainly due to his batting. His keeping was pretty good in the ODIs as well. I would not be surprised if Zulqurnain disappoints.

[FastBowler]

um HELLO kamran is injured

[PerfectionPersonified]

this thread would get at least 100 bumps i believe

[Acim]

Originally Posted by sully3 average of 15 in 61 pakistan-A games gives me the right to judge him

If you take in to account how many catches Kamran has dropped over the years and how many runs he has scored. Kamran will be averaging around NEGATIVE20 (-20).

We need a keeper who can hold on to his catches ATM, any runs comimg from him will be a bonus. IF Zulqarnain is not up to it as a keeper he can always be replaced. Right now he is the automatic selection.

[Acim]

Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI The case for Kamran! Tests Inns Runs HS Ave 100 50 92 2648 158* 30.79 6 12 Can you name me the current batsmen with a better record than this? I am not saying he is a Mohammed Yousuf - BUT he is brilliant for No 7. When we were chasing that low total against Australia this summer - the batsmen were falling like nine-pins feeling nervous - he was the only one that didnt look nervous! The above shows he has some batting class. Yes - he has had a bad year BUT form is temporary class is permanent. Keeping - He is an up and down keeper he has good and bad spells. What does this mean? That he cant keep - NO! Because if he couldnt - he would ALWAYS be bad. It means that he needs some good guidance to help him work out why he has these bad spells. Its purely mental - when he makes a mistake - everybody starts jumping on his back and then he makes more and more mistakes. A little bit like football goalkeepers. You dont make that much investment in a player and then throw it away. ODIs Only 11 Pakistani players EVER have scored more centuries than him. Only 4 of those players (Z Abbas, Salman Butt, Saeed Anwar, and Mohammad Yousuf) have got more centuries per innings. I'd rather have that in my team than not! T20's No Pakistani player has scored more T20 runs than Kamran (PS: at a strike rate of 124) No Pakistani player has scored more T20 50's than Kamran. Only 6 other players in the world have more T20 runs than Kamran. FROM WORLD CLASS to THIRD CLASS

If you take in to account how many crucial catches he has dropped, and how many matches he has cost us due to his keeping this will all mean almost crap.

He had a big part in ruining Kaneria's career. Yes, he is a useful batsman but his role in the team is as a keeper not a batsman who can keep.

If he is playing as a Batsman/keeper and not as a keeper/batsman even then his record as a batsman sucks.

[Noork85]

some people just dont know how to hope for the best but rather look and hope for the worst to strengthen their points/cases. tsk tsk.

[farazaidi]

How is an average of 30 considered 'brilliant'? even for a number 7?

Do you have any idea about the averages of other keepers going around? All of 'em are in 40s except for Jayawerdene.

And we are supposed to select Mr.Dentonic for his batting? Unbelievable.

[Desire]

i know where you are coming from but patience is the key. give the guy some chances. if he is not good enough another keeper will come. There is no quick fix for anything. i dont care if he didnt look pretty in those 88 runs but that was an effort that deserved more chance.

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Originally Posted by farazaidi How is an average of 30 considered 'brilliant'? even for a number 7? Do you have any idea about the averages of other keepers going around? All of 'em are in 40s except for Jayawerdene. And we are supposed to select Mr.Dentonic for his batting? Unbelievable.

For Pakistan its brilliant. When you have a top order like ours. you need all the runs you can get.

The alternatives are Haider (first class ave 13) and Sarfraz Ahmed (saw him trying to bat in one match and it was really painful viewing).

Until there is a genuine alternative. you select Kamran and give him proper coaching to reduce mistakes.

You don't cut your nose to spite your face.

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Originally Posted by Acim If you take in to account how many catches Kamran has dropped over the years and how many runs he has scored. Kamran will be averaging around NEGATIVE20 (-20). We need a keeper who can hold on to his catches ATM, any runs comimg from him will be a bonus. IF Zulqarnain is not up to it as a keeper he can always be replaced. Right now he is the automatic selection.

I think you areexaggerating here. he has played for 8 years and for most of that he has kept well. there are patches or phases he goes through when he doesn't do well.

This is a problem that could be solved in with a proper keeping coach. its when you get people being on your back constantly that causes the problem to worsen.

You do not start improving a rubbish team by

a) replacing your better players when they have a bad patch (Eng in 90,s)

b) replacing your experienced players (Eng in 90,s)

c) replacing players that have shown they can walk the walk.

d) replaciing class players for dud alternatives.

You start with the weakest element of your team. ie the top order batting line up.

And even then you do it methodically. ie don't replace the whole line up at once. don't put youngsters in all at once. You don't give people a couple of matches then turn to someone else on the merry go round.

you are perpetuating the amaterish approach to Pakistan criicket by advocating removing Kamran.


When we have a decent batting line and keeper is weakest link. Illl listen to what you have to say re keeper.

IMO.

[Acim]

Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI I think you areexaggerating here. he has played for 8 years and for most of that he has kept well. there are patches or phases he goes through when he doesn't do well. This is a problem that could be solved in with a proper keeping coach. its when you get people being on your back constantly that causes the problem to worsen. You do not start improving a rubbish team by a) replacing your better players when they have a bad patch (Eng in 90,s) b) replacing your experienced players (Eng in 90,s) c) replacing players that have shown they can walk the walk. d) replaciing class players for dud alternatives. You start with the weakest element of your team. ie the top order batting line up. And even then you do it methodically. ie don't replace the whole line up at once. don't put youngsters in all at once. You don't give people a couple of matches then turn to someone else on the merry go round. you are perpetuating the amaterish approach to Pakistan criicket by advocating removing Kamran. When we have a decent batting line and keeper is weakest link. Illl listen to what you have to say re keeper. IMO.

Kamran Akmal has been part of the team for 8 years now, and he has been keeping like this since the last England tour which makes it more than 4 years. Nothing has changed in 4 years, What makes you think it's going to change now?

I am not over exaggerating, any Pakistani who has followed Pakistani cricket during this time knows how damaging his keeping has been to the team. It does not only cost the team it effects the careers of other players aswell. Kaneria is a prime example.

If Kamran Akmal was as good a batsman as Gilchrist, then there might have been a case for him. He struggles to score outside sub continent.

Zulqarnain might not have a good record in List A cricket, but he is the automatic choice ATM, thats if he is a better keeper. If he is not, then he can always be replaced by even Kamran Akma, if he l can improve, which is highly unlikely (4 saal mein naheen hoa what makes you think kay ab hoga).

[Desire]

thats the thing. if somebody has gone out of form its not end of the world. Sort out your problems, go back to domestic cricket and perform and get selected. This is exactly what Misbah has done. More experienced you are, quicker you will be re selected. However you cant make pakistani team full of mental patients who have to be treated by physios, coaches just to perform at "required" level. This is not how sports or any institution is run. Just keep all performing, fresh players in the team without regarding how big or smal the names are. Get back to your best and only then get back in the team.

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Originally Posted by Acim Kamran Akmal has been part of the team for 8 years now, and he has been keeping like this since the last England tour which makes it more than 4 years. Nothing has changed in 4 years, What makes you think it's going to change now? I am not over exaggerating, any Pakistani who has followed Pakistani cricket during this time knows how damaging his keeping has been to the team. It does not only cost the team it effects the careers of other players aswell. Kaneria is a prime example. If Kamran Akmal was as good a batsman as Gilchrist, then there might have been a case for him. He struggles to score outside sub continent. Zulqarnain might not have a good record in List A cricket, but he is the automatic choice ATM, thats if he is a better keeper. If he is not, then he can always be replaced by even Kamran Akma, if he l can improve, which is highly unlikely (4 saal mein naheen hoa what makes you think kay ab hoga).

fair enough bro.

we will have to agree to disagree.

one of the things I most look forward to watching pak play is Kamrans beautiful cover drives. a treat to watch.

I guess we shall see what zoni has to offer...

[Usman Chadda]

Akmal is just being rested. He'll be back for the New Zealand series I am certain of that. Even our moron selectors can't possibly make the mistake of dropping one of our top ODI batsman right before the World Cup. Its the appendics operation that has cost Kami a place in the squad right now

On the other hand, wow we are gonna get smashed without him. Farhat and Hafeez opening the batting, I am lost for words at the moment

[jazba]

I Like Zoni and I hope he's going to be successful but I'm not going to be surprised if he's a total failure.

[Acim]

Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI fair enough bro. we will have to agree to disagree. one of the things I most look forward to watching pak play is Kamrans beautiful cover drives. a treat to watch. I guess we shall see what zoni has to offer...

Sure.

[muhammad saad]

He will be an epic failure , mark my words the guy is even worse than Muhammad Aamer with the bat.

[Sir john]

Zulfi can bat well, as looks like for me.
All pak guys be positive.

[1137moiz]

Let me put this straight

Kamran Akmal is a dirt-poor man's Alec Stewart

Sarfraz Ahmed is a dirt-poor man's Tatenda Taibu

Zulqarnain Haider is a dirt-poor man's Moin Khan

each a decent option, but Kamy is indisposed

[osee_bhai]

I kind of agree with this post, I think zoni won't do well with the bat in this series. I do hope he gets to play test cricket though, because that is where he looks to excel (so far). I agree with many people here I do want kami back in the odi squad when he's back from injury...but in tests you need to have a keeper who can catch..the amount of runs he cost us in england

I just hope zoni doesn't fail so badly that his test spot gets ruined, because even though that would be unfair, it is the pcb we're talking about.

[Cobra]

Lads take a chill pill!

Zulqarnain has been brought in for Kamran Akmal because of an operation.....surely at this stage he is defo done enough to be replacement, but when kamran akmal comes back he walks back into t20 and odi squad, easily the best option for the limited overs...... but for me personally its the test match wk spot which is up for grabs. i think Zoni should get the nod for a few matches and give him an extended run!

[blinding light]

Mun se achi baat na nikalna!

[BoomBoomCricket]

What a damn fool the OP is who is just showing his sheer bias. He (Sully) has just shown his lack of understanding in cricket I'm afraid to say.

Zulqarnain scored 88 under pressure and showed plenty of determiantion, guts and technical awareness to battle through the early stages of his innings and play himself in. So what if the tail ender scored 50 as well? He stuck with Zulqarnain and gave him much needed support. Zulqarnain played with experience and guided Ajmal to some extent. In Test Cricket, Zulqarnain is the man. Ideally, we would have liked Kamran for ODI and T20 cricket but now this is an opportunity for Zulqarnain to establish himself further.

Zulqarnain thoroughly deserves his place for his hard work, tough life which he battled through and his patience and application at the wicket and behind the stumps too. His keeping method is very sound and correct with the way he takes the ball and his footwork and tall reach which enables him to collect deliveries all over the place. Kamran Akmal, snatches the ball. So therefore, whenever he takes catches they are unconvincing and whenever he drops it is totally understandable as to why they have been dropped, but of course beyond acceptable undoubtedly and unarguably. Moreover, he never seems to learn from his mistakes which is signs of an incapable performer under pressure who can't adapt. My best wishes are with Zulqarnain and all civilised and educated people would and should say the same.

[AZ]

lol...

there's always someone, isn't there?

sully3 the next BoomBoomAli?

watch this space

[cricfanatic]

Pathetic thread, thread starter has no brain!!!!!!!!!!

[rhussain33]

Originally Posted by BoomBoomCricket What a damn fool the OP is who is just showing his sheer bias. He (Sully) has just shown his lack of understanding in cricket I'm afraid to say. Zulqarnain scored 88 under pressure and showed plenty of determiantion, guts and technical awareness to battle through the early stages of his innings and play himself in. So what if the tail ender scored 50 as well? He stuck with Zulqarnain and gave him much needed support. Zulqarnain played with experience and guided Ajmal to some extent. In Test Cricket, Zulqarnain is the man. Ideally, we would have liked Kamran for ODI and T20 cricket but now this is an opportunity for Zulqarnain to establish himself further. Zulqarnain thoroughly deserves his place for his hard work, tough life which he battled through and his patience and application at the wicket and behind the stumps too. His keeping method is very sound and correct with the way he takes the ball and his footwork and tall reach which enables him to collect deliveries all over the place. Kamran Akmal, snatches the ball. So therefore, whenever he takes catches they are unconvincing and whenever he drops it is totally understandable as to why they have been dropped, but of course beyond acceptable undoubtedly and unarguably. Moreover, he never seems to learn from his mistakes which is signs of an incapable performer under pressure who can't adapt. My best wishes are with Zulqarnain and all civilised and educated people would and should say the same.

Thanks dude... Zulqarnain deserved to be in the test eleven based on how he outperformed Kami and everyone else in the batting in that innings in every department. He kept well, missed a few hard chances.

So hes got a chance in ODIs and T20s now cause Kamis been operated, let him take it, if he does well thats fine if he doesnt thats fine, i dont think hell be replacing Kami in those two formats permanently in any case.

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by sully3 Guys before you start having a fit and think im a fool, i have nothing against Zulqarnain. i want the team to find a better keeper then kamran Akmal more then anything. But keep in mind Kamran is the best choice at the moment, he was easily our best batsman in ODI series against england and is a vital part of the limited overs team, it is plan stupidity to drop him from the team few months before the world cup. Zulqarnain Haider didn't impress me at all in the test he played, we keep forgetting Ajmal even scored a 50 at the time. Zulqarnain dropped some sitters in the test. No one can prove to me that he is a better keeper then Akmal. Zulqarnain's average of 15.70 in 61 list-A games is just plan awful. he is not the answer. we need a keeper who is better then akmal not worst. i will go as far as saying Zulqarnain wont score a single 50 in this series. BUMP this thread as many times as you want if im wrong.

This is has to rank in top 10 most stupid threads created in History of Pakpassion!

[sully3]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed This is has to rank in top 10 most stupid threads created in History of Pakpassion!

end of the series when haider has a whopping average of over 10 runs then we will see who is stupid.

no disrespect to you AJ

[Acim]

Originally Posted by sully3 end of the series when haider has a whopping average of over 10 runs then we will see who is stupid. no disrespect to you AJ

If he hangs on to all his catches, I personally din't care even if he averages 1 with the bat.

[Sledger]

He's more suited to test cricket but it doesn't mean he can't do a job in ODIs. He's just a shoe in for me becuase Akmal is an absolutely lethal batsman when the ball doesn't move or bounce.. or spin big. Unless his form is pathetic, he'll love the WC conditions.

Zulqarnain should just focus on taking his catches and stumpings in the ODI series and contribute with the bat. Not expecting big things from him by any means.

[mr einstein]

As John Lennon would say:

All we are saying, is give Haider a chance!

[mr einstein]

But seriously, what exactly has Akmal done to have him being dropped out of the question? I was under the impression that he'd consistently been letting Pakistan down, in all formats, with both the gloves and the bat. Why must his competition (Sarfraz and Haider) be judged under such strict standards in comparison?

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by sully3 end of the series when haider has a whopping average of over 10 runs then we will see who is stupid. no disrespect to you AJ

The Guys Played 1 Test and your ready to write his career off?

Akmal was a joke when he 1st came into the side and took ages to establish himself as a half-decent player!

He was awful in his 1st 4/5 test matches!

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by mr einstein But seriously, what exactly has Akmal done to have him being dropped out of the question? I was under the impression that he'd consistently been letting Pakistan down, in all formats, with both the gloves and the bat. Why must his competition (Sarfraz and Haider) be judged under such strict standards in comparison?

Akmal is having surgery! So thats why hes not in the sqauds.

Akmal should otherwise still play ODIs/T20s

[Rizie]

Originally Posted by sully3 Guys before you start having a fit and think im a fool, i have nothing against Zulqarnain. i want the team to find a better keeper then kamran Akmal more then anything. But keep in mind Kamran is the best choice at the moment, he was easily our best batsman in ODI series against england and is a vital part of the limited overs team, it is plan stupidity to drop him from the team few months before the world cup. Zulqarnain Haider didn't impress me at all in the test he played, we keep forgetting Ajmal even scored a 50 at the time. Zulqarnain dropped some sitters in the test. No one can prove to me that he is a better keeper then Akmal. Zulqarnain's average of 15.70 in 61 list-A games is just plan awful. he is not the answer. we need a keeper who is better then akmal not worst. i will go as far as saying Zulqarnain wont score a single 50 in this series. BUMP this thread as many times as you want if im wrong.

How the hell would you know that he woudnt score 50

ur neither from the future nor a bookie

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Originally Posted by BoomBoomCricket What a damn fool the OP is who is just showing his sheer bias. He (Sully) has just shown his lack of understanding in cricket I'm afraid to say. Zulqarnain scored 88 under pressure and showed plenty of determiantion, guts and technical awareness to battle through the early stages of his innings and play himself in. So what if the tail ender scored 50 as well? He stuck with Zulqarnain and gave him much needed support. Zulqarnain played with experience and guided Ajmal to some extent. In Test Cricket, Zulqarnain is the man. Ideally, we would have liked Kamran for ODI and T20 cricket but now this is an opportunity for Zulqarnain to establish himself further. Zulqarnain thoroughly deserves his place for his hard work, tough life which he battled through and his patience and application at the wicket and behind the stumps too. His keeping method is very sound and correct with the way he takes the ball and his footwork and tall reach which enables him to collect deliveries all over the place. Kamran Akmal, snatches the ball. So therefore, whenever he takes catches they are unconvincing and whenever he drops it is totally understandable as to why they have been dropped, but of course beyond acceptable undoubtedly and unarguably. Moreover, he never seems to learn from his mistakes which is signs of an incapable performer under pressure who can't adapt. My best wishes are with Zulqarnain and all civilised and educated people would and should say the same.

Wrong.

Kamran provides more to our team - with the right technical help, his keeping will be better.

However now that Zoni has been given a chance - lets see how he does.

[Watsupdoc]

I think Zoni will do well in Tests, not too sure about the limited overs format though :akmal

[BoomBoomCricket]

In Test Cricket you would rather have a better WK then a better batsmen

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Sully, you are srewed buddy. People like you like to see our team embarrassed and humiliated by having an incapable club level keeper standing behind the stumps.

[mhraja]

I don’t know but I have the same feeling that he will fail miserably in limited overs cricket. I hope he prove me wrong, best wishes with him.

[Xohaib]

I want to him play very well in the test matches.He is not a slogger.
kamran can even play as a batsman in pakistan team.

[zoi321]

kamran is the best choice atm he shud pass tips to zoni why not try homayun farhat ( imrans brother)

[Ismailtoca]

HE did not drop sitters

[iZeeshan]

Kamran will be sorely missed in the limited overs. He usually bats really well and his keeping is decent too.

But I'm all for Haider in the test arena.

[sully3]

oh yes so the majority of people pro haider are saying we rather see him take all the catch's then score any run & also a keeper is more important then a batsman in tests then surely Sarfraz Ahmed should take haider place.
he has a better technique and is miles better keeper then Akmal and Haider.

[Sledger]

No he's not, Sarfraz looked average at best keeping at international level.

[James]

nowadays every team needs a batsman who can keep, not a keeper who can maybe hold a bat. it is just too much of a batsman's game these days - you need a guy at number 6, 7 or 8 who can score a century, who averages 40. compare England's results with the keepers Read, Foster and Ambrose to England's results with the batsmen G.Jones and Prior. Prior is one of our most important players and best batsmen, and G.Jones was a lovely contributor down the order until he fell away in 2006. both are/were key factors in successful England teams because they were half-decent batsmen.

[Poison]

lol same guy who rates Kaneria

[Wristy_Shuffler]

Ajmals fifty was the result of off Haider seeing off the swing period during the early stage of his innings which flustered the English bowlers, thereby causing them to bowl easy-to-predict lemons. :p Stop using that as an excuse to underrate Haiders innings.

It wasn't all that bad you know, just looked a little uncomfortable against the spinners. Also, remember that the guy played no warm up matches whatsoever and was drafted with almost everyone expecting him to fail. That pressure was only doubled after getting that duck. And if you're talking about breathtaking moments behind the stumps then Zulq had his aswell, granted only one sticks out in my mind, it was one heck of a take - Asif's ball down legside, Haider snatched it from right behind the stumps.

[FastBowler]

Haider shouldn't be expected to bat as well as he did in his first Test, that's not his kind of innings. He's an ODI player actually, and an average of 20 is what I'd expect. Its his keeping I'm hoping is good though, I don't care about the batting. OP is stupid.

[sully3]

Bump

a massive contribution today by haider

seriously need akmal back

[NiCe]

Kamran Akmal is best option for T20 and ODI.. but we are missing him today... it will be good to call him for 3 ODIs to open the innings...

[MC]

Oops wrong thread.

Mods please delete this.

[Kray_jackson7]

Originally Posted by sully3 Bump a massive contribution today by haider seriously need akmal back

Im sure alot of people have said that for T20 and ODIs zulqi shouldnt be playing but in tests he is a far better option then akmal (or atleast deserves a chance).