Spot-Fixing Trial DAY 6 - News & Discussion Thread

[shaykh1985]

February 5th ***...

[bladerunner]

what is the deadline to announce the 15 man squad for the WC?

[ballack13]

just saw Butt walking out smiling!

they can't get life bans look at them can someone look like that if he was going to be banned for the rest of his life.

[Sheikh_Ji]

5th Feb...Thats a fair bit away! Seems like a deliberate effort to make sure none of them play at the World Cup.
A month's delay will just leave the space open for incessant media speculation!!

[ballack13]

Originally Posted by bladerunner what is the deadline to announce the 15 man squad for the WC?

19th Jan.

tomorrow will be the NZ tour squad so basically we will see the shape of WC11 sqaud tbh.

[crazul]

Originally Posted by Newton_fan What the hell ??? Verdict is Decided but will be announced on Feb 5.

Nah


richard_conway Beloff confirms that players will learn fate on Feb 5th at hearing in Doha. Panel will consider verdicts until then.

[Mian Hassan]

feb 5 woowowowowow

[Cricrazy]

Originally Posted by Newton_fan What the hell ??? Verdict is Decided but will be announced on Feb 5.

richard_conway: Beloff confirms that players will learn fate on Feb 5th at hearing in Doha. Panel will consider verdicts until then.

[Sherlock]

I thought they withdrew all the charges for the Oval Test, what's so special about the 1 charge?

[ballack13]

amir is throwing sweets in the air and catching it!

kia ho ra hai we are more depressed and worried then they are.

[Pak4Ev3r]

Originally Posted by Mian Hassan It was the match we won innit???

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-...ch/426416.html

[imshally81]

who told u that they withdrawal the charges of the Oval test ????????

[Mian Hassan]

GUYS which match did we win the Lords on or the OVAL on????

I am sure the Lords one right

[Mian Hassan]

The no Balls were bowled in the match we won!!!!!! so that is the oval one!!!!1

[Pak4Ev3r]

No we won the match at the oval http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-...ch/426416.html

[Mian Hassan]

So does that mean aamir and asif are clear of this then????

[Cricrazy]

We lost the lords one by 225 runs

[ballack13]

Amir Sohail: ICC would have banned them it isn't rocket science they haven't got enough evidence against player or all.

[Mian Hassan]

Originally Posted by Pak4Ev3r No we won the match at the oval http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-...ch/426416.html

Yes we won the OVal one and that is the one where the No balls were bowled

So if they say that the oval one is clear so that mean aamir ans asif are clear???

[Mobashir]

no balls were bowled in the one we lost na?????????

[Cricrazy]

NO balls were bowled at lords the one we lost

[Pak4Ev3r]

Am sure the no balls were bowled at Lords

[Mian Hassan]

Oh ok

[Pak4Ev3r]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-...ch/426416.html
this is the match where no bowls were bowled last one of the series

[Cricrazy]

LORDS is where we bowled the no balls... and thats the one we lost.... BUTT accused the english team of fixing as well cos of the way they lost that match (oval)...

[ahsan88]

, people don't even know when the no-balls were bowled.

[ballack13]

If players are now banned or anything daft like that happens they should go to CAS.

It is clear that its just a conspiracy. why would you take almost 6 months and 6 continues days of investigation and still not be able to give a verdict.

Of course they have to ask Lorgat shb and Pawar if they are happy with the verdict given.

Salman should now come out and say im going to Switzerland because this isn't a fair trial or even PCB should step up for the sake of these three!

Who the hell cares if they did spot fixing they ALL do it1 ban them all as well if our players are going to go down.

[Afridi14]

Originally Posted by sultanator 5th Feb? 3 WEEKS?? Plenty of time for Haroon Lota to pull his strings.

I agree mate. I would have preferred the decision today,,,, the 3 man panel will be turned to a 4 man panel and logat will have the last say... what a disgrace! They dont have evidence on them so decide to take out 2 weeks,,, now they will serach for teeny weeny bit of evidence and use this as an excuse for a long term ban....

ICC shame on you... dont know about you lot, but I see this as a pakistani victory!!!!! Logat is a dog, that was always going to get his way!!! least we cant be certain that amir and asif have done nothing wrong - nothing that can be proved anyways....

ICC = SHAMBLES!!!!

[Pak4Ev3r]

Originally Posted by Cricrazy LORDS is where we bowled the no balls... and thats the one we lost.... BUTT accused the english team of fixing as well cos of the way they lost that match...

What are yo on about england won that match
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-...ch/426416.html

[SuperSportsCom]

Originally Posted by crazul Nah richard_conway Beloff confirms that players will learn fate on Feb 5th at hearing in Doha. Panel will consider verdicts until then.

Yep. Thought so. Why not wait until after the next World cup before giving the verdicts.

We knew all along , it has been a delay tactic.

[ballack13]

Originally Posted by Cricrazy LORDS is where we bowled the no balls... and thats the one we lost.... BUTT accused the english team of fixing as well cos of the way they lost that match...

Butt made things worse for our players tbh.

im hearing from bookie cirlces blah blah.

[IMMY69]

Originally Posted by Mian Hassan Oh ok

Lords....

[Pak4Ev3r]

If players are not banned and are cleared than truly this delay means only one thing they don;t want the players to play in Worldcup

[Cricrazy]

Originally Posted by Pak4Ev3r What are yo on about england won that match http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-...ch/426416.html

yeah and when I say we... I mean we as in Pakistan... im ****.... we lost at lords....

[Rana]

What a waste of time, i woke up all happy that its going to end today!

[Cricrazy]

richard_conway: As told to you first by Sky News earlier today - decision deferred, charges dropped for Oval Test and verdict later after consideration.

[Sherlock]

Guys the Lords Test is the main game, the biggest charges relate to that Test, not the Oval one.

[imshally81]

Originally Posted by Sherlock Guys the Lords Test is the main game, the biggest charges relate to that Test, not the Oval one.

oopz

[Mobashir]

enough is enough guys.
this is the first time in my life that i'am seeing something like this.
now everyone has given his point of view so why is there such a long delay.
icc is anti-pakistani for sureeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Cricrazy]

richard_conway: And of course, Lords are the most serious allegations. [via Twitter]
Tuesday January 11, 2011 3:06 richard_conway
3:05 richard_conway: Minor charges at Oval relate to allegations from NoTW in their testimony to court that fix was on at that game. [via Twitter]

richard_conway: All those charges, bar one against Butt, now withdrawn and players acquited. Lords allegations remain. [via Twitter]
Tuesday January 11, 2011 3:06

[Cricrazy]

richard_conway: Players still facing very serious charges and now face a wait until Feb 5th back at Doha. [via Twitter]

[Mobashir]

come on big butt little butt aamir and asif now is the time.
counter attack icc now.
for now on i'am supporting the trio with my whole heart.
THEY ARE INNOCENT.

[Desi_Joker]

Amir's lawyer asked them to defer the decision... so that's exactly what they did. Now people see consipiracies in that...

[bablu_2010]

ICC wants to give themselves more time to find more evidence lols. It is clear that ICC do not have enough evidence.
I have this feeling that ICC will do whatever it takes to ban the players

[Abidi110]

The players are innocent, atleast Butt isn't, however ICC is completely incompetent,not sure why pl keep whining about PCb when the head body ICC is a joke itself.

[Rana]

If ICC are delaying the dicisio its mainly because they havnt heard what they needed to hear to floor all 3 of them.

Patience, ease is on its way!

[Proud To Be A Pakistani]

All those charges, bar one against Butt, now withdrawn and players acquited. Lords allegations remain


Players still facing very serious charges and now face a wait until Feb 5th back at Doha.

[UmarAkmals-fan]

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by Desi_Joker Amir's lawyer asked them to defer the decision... so that's exactly what they did. Now people see consipiracies in that...

looooooooool you don't defer a court decision just because a lawyer of the guilty party asked for it

[shaykh1985]

During the Oval Test the NOTW alleged that fixing was going on but none of Majeed's predictions came true right which is why those charges have been withdrawn...

In theory Majeed's reliability should be an important factor in charging the trio...if hes got plenty of predictions wrong which he has such as the Sydney Test and for the Oval Test then this should damage the case...

People keep throwing around the odds of something happening but if Majeed made predictions about everything the fact that many didnt come true should count for something...

[shaykh1985]

Originally Posted by Desi_Joker Amir's lawyer asked them to defer the decision... so that's exactly what they did. Now people see consipiracies in that...

No he didnt...

"We have requested the judges to look at the case carefully and properly and with due consideration before they announce the verdict," Karim told Geo TV. "This is up to them, and if they have looked at it with thought and consideration, then after we finish they'll tell us if the verdict is announced today or at a later date.

[Cricrazy]

richard_conway: Reason for delay? Chairman says 45 hours testimony over 6 days, thousands of documents. Complex case that requires careful consideration. [via Twitter]

[iRfaN_LA]

Originally Posted by Afridi14 I agree mate. I would have preferred the decision today,,,, the 3 man panel will be turned to a 4 man panel and logat will have the last say... what a disgrace! They dont have evidence on them so decide to take out 2 weeks,,, now they will serach for teeny weeny bit of evidence and use this as an excuse for a long term ban.... ICC shame on you... dont know about you lot, but I see this as a pakistani victory!!!!! Logat is a dog, that was always going to get his way!!! least we cant be certain that amir and asif have done nothing wrong - nothing that can be proved anyways.... ICC = SHAMBLES!!!!

However, all over the media, it is being portrayed as Amir's lawyer asked for a delay in verdict !! Who takes 3 WEEKS to consider a verdict? Surely there is a back-door BS going on.

[Desi_Joker]

Originally Posted by Mobashir looooooooool you don't defer a court decision just because a lawyer of the guilty party asked for it

And you have a masters in Law, I believe?

A lot has happened in the last week or so. They have a lot of things to take into account.

[Savak]

If there is so much overwhelming evidence against the players then the case should be simple and straight forward. There is no plausible reason to delay the verdict by another 3 weeks.

I think the following scenarios are possible

1) ICC doesnt have as much evidence as the media had previously been reporting

2) Maybe the stakeholders like the PCB, BCCI, ICC, ECB are having intense backroom negotiations over the sentences, make no mistake Mohd Aamir and Asif (greentop bully) are world class bowlers

3) The ICC could be looking to dig deeper into the whole thing and asking the players to name all the other cricketers who are involved in this and offering them a deal in the process

[PakPassionate]

ICC does not have enough prof to make them guilty.

[Desi_Joker]

4) PP has fallen into the "Pakistani = victim" mentality again.

[iRfaN_LA]

Originally Posted by shaykh1985 No he didnt... "We have requested the judges to look at the case carefully and properly and with due consideration before they announce the verdict," Karim told Geo TV. "This is up to them, and if they have looked at it with thought and consideration, then after we finish they'll tell us if the verdict is announced today or at a later date.

Stupid cricinfo tweaked the headline saying "Amir asks for deferred decision"

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by Desi_Joker And you have a masters in Law, I believe? A lot has happened in the last week or so. They have a lot of things to take into account.

you know you don't become a lawyer with a master in law and yes i have got a master in law and one in economics too but that don't make me an advocate and i don't want to be one

[LegCutter]

Or maybe it could be because Amir's lawyer requested a delay in the verdict?

[tahir_dj]

Originally Posted by ballack13 19th Jan. tomorrow will be the NZ tour squad so basically we will see the shape of WC11 sqaud tbh.

Dont worry if they are clear than some one in PAK team gona get injured and they will be rushed into the team the way Razzaq was rushed in t20 worldcup and who els was it cant remmber?.

their is still a way

[Dr. Khan]

Maybe we all should send an invoice to the ICC for being glued to the forums and not able to get any work done today.

I do not know about the rest but I have had 4 hrs of no work done today.

[Dr. Khan]

Originally Posted by tahir_dj Dont worry if they are clear than some one in PAK team gona get injured and they will be rushed into the team the way Razzaq was rushed in t20 worldcup and who els was it cant remmber?. their is still a way

There is always a provision for people with special considerations to be added to the squad. Since the world cup does not begin till the end of Feb there is enough time to add them to the list. That is if there are no more back door politics between the PCB and the ICC

[Shahrukh Khan]

They don't want to destroy world cup. Players will go to International Court of Law after ban and Stay Order will be issued against ICC to suspend the World Cup proceedings

[Sherazkhalid]

Originally Posted by Shahrukh Khan They don't want to destroy world cup. Players will go to International Court of Law after ban and Stay Order will be issued against ICC to suspend the World Cup proceedings

Anyways they can still ask for the damages if the decision is overturned and the players feel they are purposely sidelined.

[Prince_Pathan]

its kinda annoying

[PakFan2010]

So if Amir gets a 1 year ban, Does the time of the suspension count towards that?

[KingKhanWC]

lol. People staying up all night for the non-verdict.

Good signs for the players or at least one or two of them.

[QuarterBack]

For all the flak some people are giving the ICC for deferring the verdict, could it just be because one of the three players under investigation REQUESTED such a deferral? Surely that has something to do with rather than the "anti-Pakistani" ICC...

[Faisalabadimunda]

richard_conway Richard Conway
Understand Pakistan players will receive verdict and any potential punishment (if found guilty) on Feb 5th in Doha.(Via Twitter)
16 minutes ago

[Lunchdog]

Hi all

New on here so be kind!

Can't believe delay on decision - longest British trial jury deliberations are 24 days for a case that lasted months and 12 people had to agree on.

Time for ICC Tribunal to make a decision on the fate of three cricketers - 24 days! 45 hours of testimony

It's a disgrace, for cricket and fans alike to drag this out.

Can only think Beloff and CO are working on an hourly rate from the ICC!

[Desi_Joker]

Originally Posted by LegCutter Or maybe it could be because Amir's lawyer requested a delay in the verdict?

No, it's a conspiracy. I have heard from the bookie circles.

[KingKhanWC]

They have delayed it because they have very little evidence to convict them. You don't take 3 weeks to decide on something which is clear and the proof is strong.

Majeed and the NOTW allegations have all been proven to be false apart from the 3 no balls at Lords. I'm sure at least one of the judges will not support convictions here.

[QuarterBack]

Jeez, seriously... Amir requested the verdict be deferred for a couple of weeks. Had the ICC announced a guilty verdict, most of the people blaming the biased ICC would then be crying about how it did not listen to the person under inquiry. Now they accepted Amir's request and are deliberating on the verdict and still some ppl want to cry about it... Wow...

[Lunchdog]

Nobody's crying, it is just ridiculous that it will take the same amount of time as the longest jury deliberation in British Legal History!

You really don't agree with that?

[cricket_fan_1]

why pull BCCI into this...

again victim mentality

[talha3]

As they have now been cleared of the minor charges, they now face verdicts on the most serious charges involving the Lords test.
This is a quote from BBC:

Michael Beloff QC, Justice Albie Sachs and Sharad Rao have heard six days of evidence since Thursday. The most serious charges they are considering would attract bans ranging from five years to life.

So am I right in thinking that either the players will be fully cleared or subject to 5 years minimum ban, which effectively ends Butt and Asif's careers.

[BoomBoomAfridi]

Originally Posted by QuarterBack Jeez, seriously... Amir requested the verdict be deferred for a couple of weeks. Had the ICC announced a guilty verdict, most of the people blaming the biased ICC would then be crying about how it did not listen to the person under inquiry. Now they accepted Amir's request and are deliberating on the verdict and still some ppl want to cry about it... Wow...

Let's be honest here, if the judges felt these players are guilty then they would have banned them for proper.

The fact they have delayed the verdict is for one reason only in my opinion and that is they hoping some concrete evidence against the players will surface from somewhere in the next few weeks.

Right now I'm sure the verdict is not guilty

[alberto]

the icc may not have enough evidence currently

[cricket_fan_1]

even aamer's career...you cannot expect him to walk into the team after 5 years of lay off...