[PLS READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING] Spot-fixing Trial - Sentenced on Thursday

[Eagle_Eye]

Did his sister/s get married last year?........... It would be quite damning for his defence if they did not.

[gameovais]

I remember there were a group of us last year who mentioned Wahab's suspicious and in our opinion guilty behaviour with that jecket episode.

The admin removed our comments and gave some of us warnings, I didn't but the others did.

It just comes to back to us asking when you see video footage like that why are not questioning the players?

If his jacket is alleged to have £10k and Wahab took it and wore it himself, then why wasn't he questioned then.

I don't know what happens to any other players now named, but I think every single one of us wants them to be questioned asap.

[Sherlock]

Lol, I would also look suspicious if I wore a jacket, which I knew had someone's else's money in. Doesn't mean anything, also I thought I read somewhere the jacket wasn't Wahab's, and he was only wearing it because he felt cold.

[Javelin]

To Amoeba and Stumps,

Since you're waiting to hear from me (from the various comments you two have posted about me), here goes:

1. I personally think that the trio did commit the crimes they have alleged to have done.

However

2. I do not like to find someone guilty and bury them unless the evidence is absolute and concrete.

3. I like to look at any so called 'evidence' objectively, examine it thoroughly as well look at the source of evidence/ manner it was gathered before jumping to conclusions or jumping on the bandwagon.

4. I would prefer to see a guilty individual being found not-guilty and going unpunished rather than an innocent person found guilty and punished/ tarnished for life.

5. There are too many cases one can think of where individuals have been released, after serving many years in prison, after it has been discovered that the evidence was not as strong as everyone believed.
(The Amanda Knox case is a recent example, irregardless of whether or not she really did it. There are many others such as the Brrmingham six, and Stefan Kiszko, who was accused of the murder of Lesley Molseed. He even confessed to it )

You Sirs would appear to be of the Lynchmob variety, ie shoot first and ask questions later.
You would have been at home in the Middle Ages, whereby if a woman was accused of being a witch, she was tied up and dunked in the river/lake. If she drowned she was innocent, and if she survived then she was guilty and burned at the stake !
She was dead either way.

As for carrying cash around, even though I am not a wealthy man, in the past I have personally paid cash (many thousands of pounds), when buying jewellery from Asian jewellers, for my wife/mother/sisters, mainly due to the fact that apart from my Credit/Debit cards not having such high credit limits, I did'nt trust the outlets with my Credit/Debit card details!!! (the money was totally legit, legally earned, and all taxes paid, I should add)


Once the evidence is examined and analysed, and a Jury finds them guilty, then so be it - punish them according to the Law.

Until then grow up, and try being Devil's Advocates before accepting everything at face value.

[Amoeba]

Originally Posted by Javelin To Amoeba and Stumps, Since you're waiting to hear from me (from the various comments you two have posted about me), here goes: 1. I personally think that the trio did commit the crimes they have alleged to have done. However 2. I do not like to find someone guilty and bury them unless the evidence is absolute and concrete. 3. I like to look at any so called 'evidence' objectively, examine it thoroughly as well look at the source of evidence/ manner it was gathered before jumping to conclusions or jumping on the bandwagon. 4. I would prefer to see a guilty individual being found not-guilty and going unpunished rather than an innocent person found guilty and punished/ tarnished for life. 5. There are too many cases one can think of where individuals have been released, after serving many years in prison, after it has been discovered that the evidence was not as strong as everyone believed. (The Amanda Knox case is a recent example, irregardless of whether or not she really did it. There are many others such as the Brrmingham six, and Stefan Kiszko, who was accused of the murder of Lesley Molseed. He even confessed to it ) You Sirs would appear to be of the Lynchmob variety, ie shoot first and ask questions later. You would have been at home in the Middle Ages, whereby if a woman was accused of being a witch, she was tied up and dunked in the river/lake. If she drowned she was innocent, and if she survived then she was guilty and burned at the stake ! She was dead either way. As for carrying cash around, even though I am not a wealthy man, in the past I have personally paid cash (many thousands of pounds), when buying jewellery from Asian jewellers, for my wife/mother/sisters, mainly due to the fact that apart from my Credit/Debit cards not having such high credit limits, I did'nt trust the outlets with my Credit/Debit card details!!! (the money was totally legit, legally earned, and all taxes paid, I should add) Once the evidence is examined and analysed, and a Jury finds them guilty, then so be it - punish them according to the Law. Until then grow up, and try being Devil's Advocates before accepting everything at face value.

Nice rant but you fail to understand the issue. I am certainly not of the lynchmob mindset nor am I completely unaware of miscarriages of justice. In fact the opposite and I would suggest it is you who is wholly judgemental if now you are going to accuse me of advocating bringing back witch trials or the like.

The question that some of us were raising was merely what will the defence be for a logical legal reason for carrying so much cash? Until now, when you finally give the reasonable example where you didn't trust the shops with your CC / DC details, you hadn't been able to come up with anything feasible. Some suggestions that it was "to avoid VAT m'lud" just wouldn't go down too well in court one would imagine. So for the accuseds' sake let's hope that they can come up with a better defence.

That is all......no need to get on your high horse and suggest we want to suspend Habeas Corpus!

[Borg]

I have been out of the loop on this issue in last few weeks, is there any explanation for amir not being part of trial, if he has confessed has he turned state witness ?

[The_Real_Deal]

updates: 10/10/11:

"Good morning from Southwark Crown Court for day 4 of the cricket corruption trial"

[The_Real_Deal]

"Mazhar Mahmood, the News of the World's undercover reporter, giving evidence from behind a screen to protect his identity from the public"

[The_Real_Deal]

"jury played secret audio tape of first meeting between agent Mazhar Majeed and News of the World undercover journalist"

[The_Real_Deal]

"Agent Majeed boasted of links to former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf and said Salman Butt "talks to him" regularly"

wow!! this is something BIG!! gen. p musharraf name being mentioned here, majeed having links to the former president of pakistan...

[Watsupdoc]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal "Agent Majeed boasted of links to former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf and said Salman Butt "talks to him" regularly" wow!! this is something BIG!! gen. p musharraf name being mentioned here having links to the former president of pakistan...

Surprised to see Musharraf's name coming up. But he was quite interested in cricket

[The_Real_Deal]

"Pakistan players' agent Mazhar Majeed boasted he knew "very personally" Mike Gatting, Phil Tufnell and 'Geoff' Boycott"

[The_Real_Deal]

"Majeed claimed he could get them on board for a new T20 tournament the undercover reporter was touting (as a cover story)"

[Hash]

'Pakistan players' agent Mazhar Majeed boasted he knew "very personally" Mike Gatting, Phil Tufnell and 'Geoff' Boycott'

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by Watsupdoc Surprised to see Musharraf's name coming up. But he was quite interested in cricket

true, but we need to establish what kind of 'links' majeed had with p masharraf...

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by Hash 'Pakistan players' agent Mazhar Majeed boasted he knew "very personally" Mike Gatting, Phil Tufnell and 'Geoff' Boycott'

geoff ha ha!!

knowing people personally doesnt quite tell us (and the jury) if there was anything suspicious apart from majeed was well-known in the cricketing circle...

[Amoeba]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal "Agent Majeed boasted of links to former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf and said Salman Butt "talks to him" regularly" wow!! this is something BIG!! gen. p musharraf name being mentioned here having links to the former president of pakistan...

No surprise given after all the President is head of the PCB.
What could be really interesting if there is any proof that corruption, as widely assumed, is endemic right to the very top.......!

[The_Real_Deal]

"Majeed boasted he "knows Brad Pitt very well" and also Roger Federer ... namedropping galore"

majeed confirming his identity in the celeb world too as well as the sports world...

[Hash]

'Majeed boasted he "knows Brad Pitt very well" and also Roger Federer ... namedropping galore'

This is getting quite funny

[Watsupdoc]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal "Majeed boasted he "knows Brad Pitt very well" and also Roger Federer ... namedropping galore" majeed confirming his identity in the celeb world too as well as the sports world...

Did he fix movies with Brad Pitt??

I think he was just showing off and going over the top with the names...

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by Watsupdoc Did he fix movies with Brad Pitt?? I think he was just showing off and going over the top with the names...

that would be quite hilarious!!

he's prob just confirming and informing the jury about his identity and his links so he's not a 'nobody' to celebs...

[Sherlock]

It's getting stupendously hilarious now. Can't take Mazhar Majeed serious with the President comments at all after the latest name dropping.

[The_Real_Deal]

"Majeed claimed he was 'offered' to fund Slumdog Millionnaire film, has his "fingers in many pies" and hosts a TV show"

[Sherlock]

Yep, boasting isn't helping Mazhar at all.

[MenInG]

Why is the fake sheikh's identity not being disclosed to the public?

He is not the SAS and this is not a matter of national security?

OR is it because he is states informant and there are worries about his safety?

[Hash]

Originally Posted by MenInG Why is the fake sheikh's identity not being disclosed to the public? He is not the SAS and this is not a matter of national security? OR is it because he is states informant and there are worries about his safety?

I may be mistaken but I think it is because he has been a key witness in several high profile trials and there are many people who want to kill him.

[Waq]

Originally Posted by MenInG Why is the fake sheikh's identity not being disclosed to the public? He is not the SAS and this is not a matter of national security? OR is it because he is states informant and there are worries about his safety?

I'm pretty sure there have been previous death threats against him or some kind of bounty.

With all of that relayed to the judge, it seems he has been succesful in hiding behind a screen.

Whether we like it or not, Mazhar Mahmood (NOTW not Majeed) has a status of witness and hence gets all the priviliges that come with it.

[talha3]

is this a joke? Moiez at heathrow probably knows these people better than Mazhar.

[Waq]

Originally Posted by talha.raja is this a joke? Moiez at heathrow probably knows these people better than Mazhar.

To be fair, Mazhar Majeed is on the stand for a fraud offence.

Fraudsters are notorious bu1lshitters so everything has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Any names he dropped would have been investigated by police and any lines of enquiry pursued. Musharraf is not in the dock so probably a load of hot air.

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by MenInG Why is the fake sheikh's identity not being disclosed to the public? He is not the SAS and this is not a matter of national security? OR is it because he is states informant and there are worries about his safety?

2 things:

1. mazhar mahmood and mazhar majeed are two different people. mazhar mahmood is a undercover reporter - dubbed as the "britain’s most notorious undercover reporter." who set the sting up to catch the fixer's, mazhar majeed is the 'agent' for the trio and other sports stars who is on trial for corruption...

2. because he is a undercover reporter and has done many 'stings' in the past, his identity is imperative that the public do not identify him..

for the sake of the jury not to get confused, they are both known as mahmood (undercover reporter) and majeed (agent).

[Law]

What's use of his being behind the screen when everyone knows who is he?

Sorry but I think, I am missing some trick here

[Sherlock]

Whomever hasn't seen Mazhar Majeed, will likely recognise him, thus the screen protection. Anonymity is the priority with Mazhar Mahmood.

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by Law What's use of his being behind the screen when everyone knows who is he? Sorry but I think, I am missing some trick here

read my post #271, that should clear things up a little...

[Law]

Guess no one knows how to use google images.

[Law]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal read my post #271, that should clear things up a little...

I did. I already understand that. The only point I am confused about is that people who are after him can definitely see his face over internet..

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by Law I did. I already understand that. The only point I am confused about is that people who are after him can definitely see his face over internet..

try googling him and tell me if you spot him...he's no where to be seen...

also we as the public do not know 100% that the person we think is mahmood is the correct mahmood. as far as we're aware, mahmood could be a fictitious male only acting as a 'face' to his clients. the real work could be done by someone else...

[Law]

Google his name and 6th image. Isn't he MM ?

[Namak_Halaal]

Does public doman include BBC? Just wondering since BBC links have disappeared from this thread.

[MenInG]

Depends on the comments that are being made with the link. We will protect the reputation of PakPassion where we can.

As i have said above - any questions on moderation/deleted posts go in MRR.

[malakian]

George Galloway has publicly outed the fake sheikh. It's not hard to find pictures of him.

[Amjid Javed]

Summary off events please so far! Thanks!

[Torpedo]

Originally Posted by MenInG Depends on the comments that are being made with the link. We will protect the reputation of PakPassion where we can. As i have said above - any questions on moderation/deleted posts go in MRR.

Where is the link to the MRR page?

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed Summary off events please so far! Thanks!

todays update:

1. so far mazhar mahmood (the undercover reporter) giving his statements and evidence to the jury.
2. mahmood CLAIMS to know to the celebs world and to the sports world.
3. CLAIMS to have known by brad pitt, roger fedrer, geoff boycott etc.
4. mahmood [CLAIMS to have ] links to the president of pakistan: gen. p .musharraf.

[MenInG]

MRR link

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/forumdisplay.php?f=65

[Sir.Unique]

lol I hope every single one involved is exposed is banned also jailed

[style_guru]

One thing is for sure, there is much more in this case then what meets the eye.

Now it would be interesting to see upto what level the court is ready to dig in. I am sure some people must be already feeling uncomfortable.

[Sir.Unique]

Originally Posted by style_guru One thing is for sure, there is much more in this case then what meets the eye. Now it would be interesting to see upto what level the court is ready to dig in. I am sure some people must be already feeling uncomfortable.

exactly this case isn't just about these 3 players there is much more to be discovered

[IMMY69]

So what are the odds being offered for a guilty verdict?

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by Sir.Unique exactly this case isn't just about these 3 players there is much more to be discovered

i dont think the court will be interested this aspect of mahmood.. the side which will concern them is the relationship with majeed...

[liaqat]

tweet link plz

[Gabbar Singh]

The real fun will start when Amir and Majeed give evidence against the other two. Given they've already pleaded guilty this is the logical next step and will probably allow them to get away with a suspended sentence.

[liaqat]

any1 got a tweet link????????

[TalhaSyed]

Originally Posted by liaqat any1 got a tweet link????????

http://twitter.com/#!/Cricketer_RDJ

[saeedhk]

He said that he have access to Chris Gayle, Brett Lee, Ricky Ponting, Harbhajan Singh and Yuvraj Singh.

[liaqat]

Originally Posted by TalhaSyed http://twitter.com/#!/Cricketer_RDJ

thanks

[Ahson Afzal]

Originally Posted by saeedhk He said that he have access to Chris Gayle, Brett Lee, Ricky Ponting, Harbhajan Singh and Yuvraj Singh.

Source??

[Ahson Afzal]

Agent: "it's been happening for years. Wasim, Waqar, they all did it"
James Pearce

[Ahson Afzal]

“There’s no evidence against Wahab Riaz and Akmals players and they stand clear.”Tafazzul Rizvi
Source: http://www.facebook.com/pct.pakistancricket?ref=ts

[iRfaN_LA]

The court heard Majeed explain why he did not wish to manage former Pakistan captain Shahid Afridi because "you have to kiss his **** every day". Incredibly he also revealed how he regrettably turned down the chance of involvement in the hit movie 'Slumdog Millionaire'.

[ash 68]

Originally Posted by Ahson Afzal Agent: "it's been happening for years. Wasim, Waqar, they all did it" James Pearce

If youve been watching pak cricket you would be suspecting it all along

bloody cheats

This cancer needs to be cut out, let the wounds be opened

even the old ones

[asdf0045]

Are proceedings over for today or is there a break right now?

[liaqat]

is there any proof of these other name's mentioned. or is he just tainting their names

[cricketpassion]

Originally Posted by iRfaN_LA The court heard Majeed explain why he did not wish to manage former Pakistan captain Shahid Afridi because "you have to kiss his **** every day". Incredibly he also revealed how he regrettably turned down the chance of involvement in the hit movie 'Slumdog Millionaire'.

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by Ahson Afzal “There’s no evidence against Wahab Riaz and Akmals players and they stand clear.”Tafazzul Rizvi Source: http://www.facebook.com/pct.pakistancricket?ref=ts

is this guy blind?! evidence?!

has he not seen the video's of his dropped catches and the sydney 'missed' run-out?!

[MenInG]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal is this guy blind?! evidence?! has he not seen the video's of his dropped catches and the sydney 'missed' run-out?!

How is that evidence?

The game of cricket is full of important catches being dropped and comedic run outs etc.

[MenInG]

Originally Posted by liaqat is there any proof of these other name's mentioned. or is he just tainting their names

None allegations by someone who's integrity is suspect to say the least

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by MenInG How is that evidence? The game of cricket is full of important catches being dropped and comedic run outs etc.

in the last couple of years, akmal has missed more chances and run-outs then any other keeper, co-incidence?

can you whole-heartedly say with 100% conviction that that infamous run-out chance in sydney wasn't suspicious?

[MenInG]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal in the last couple of years, akmal has missed more chances and run-outs then any other keeper, co-incidence? can you whole-heartedly say with 100% conviction that that infamous run-out chance in sydney wasn't suspicious?

Yes I can because the history of cricket is full of coincidences.

No PROOF - no allegations in my book.

Amirs no ball is a no ball - only becomes evidence when viewed with the NOTW video

[Eagle_Eye]

Originally Posted by MenInG How is that evidence? The game of cricket is full of important catches being dropped and comedic run outs etc.

The fixer himself is talking............

The question is how good was the "Integrity committee" ........

[asdf0045]

Agent: "We have one result planed in the next 3 1/2 weeks. Pakistan will lose"

Imagine what it feels like for the players who are playing the game legit. All their hard work wasted by a few fixers

[Eagle_Eye]

Originally Posted by MenInG Yes I can because the history of cricket is full of coincidences. No PROOF - no allegations in my book. Amirs no ball is a no ball - only becomes evidence when viewed with the NOTW video

If Amir himself is saying that he is guilty then what more proof is required?

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by MenInG Why is the fake sheikh's identity not being disclosed to the public? He is not the SAS and this is not a matter of national security? OR is it because he is states informant and there are worries about his safety?

[talha3]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal in the last couple of years, akmal has missed more chances and run-outs then any other keeper, co-incidence? can you whole-heartedly say with 100% conviction that that infamous run-out chance in sydney wasn't suspicious?

It's not what you know it's what you can prove in court.

South Africa, despite being consistently a top side in the rankings and starting off well in many tournament knockout matches, always lose, coincidence? Even if it's fixed no-one can prove that in court.

Kamran's missed chances and missed runouts prove nothing, just like the no balls Amir and Asif bowled proved nothing without the video and allegations against Majeed.

[Noman]

I have a feelings he is saying all those names now, to save the other players....Bacause right now only 3 players are in trouble... he want to make the court think he is stupid man to save the other players...

what do u guys think?? Why would he name Brat Pitt or Roger ..Musharraf??

[KingKhanWC]

As we knew the agent Majeed spouted all sorts of fantasies to impress the fake notw reporter. This suggests he wasn't some sort of experienced fixer but an opportunist.

Entrapment is becoming clear.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by Amoeba They realised all right. Everyone in Pakistan knew all right....journalists....administrators....politici ans. Just too damn lazy and corrupt to do anything. Had to let the foreign press do what Pakistan's police should have done years ago. This was a long time coming and its a shame its just 3 players on trial. They are all corrupt....from top to bottom...the whole stinking lot......

Corruption is endemic throughout Pakistan, I find it slightly odd that so many Pakistanis throw their hands up in horror in this thread as if they had only just realised this (not aimed at you btw, just an observation in general). Perhaps the PCB should have done more to create an umbrella to shield the Pakistan cricketers from the temptation, but then that organisation is barely credible in the first place.

If you are a Pakistan cricket fan then the best way to look at this is if the book was going to be thrown at Pakistani cricketers it might as well be now when the there isn't much cricket going on of any note and unlikely to be any until the war in Afghanistan is over.

There shouldn't be any doubt about how seriously the courts in UK will take this as there has been a strong desire to catch Pakistani cheats for decades, the sheer depth of organisation in the sting shows that. Whether the cheats get suspended sentences, jail terms or public floggings I don't really care much at this point. The sooner the media circus is over the better and they can move on to Jordan's new boyfriend size and the Tooting Taliban.

[Noman]

Originally Posted by MenInG Yes I can because the history of cricket is full of coincidences. No PROOF - no allegations in my book. Amirs no ball is a no ball - only becomes evidence when viewed with the NOTW video

LOL

[MenInG]

Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye If Amir himself is saying that he is guilty then what more proof is required?

He can say about himself and thats fine.

When a person makes an accusation about another without the other being there to deny it etc then its just a rant - cannot be take seriously

Its an attempt to create a smokescreen by saying that "hey everyone does it" - to make his own actions somehow justifiable.

We cannot in our right minds believe the Agent - all we know is that he is involved as are the people in the video - thats all we KNOW.

All the rest are his claims not backed by any hard evidence.

I know we have some personal convictions etc but we cannot condemn people on hearsay - thats just not fair IMO

[shark11]

lol at ppl still wanting evidence when the culprit has already accepted all the allegations of fixing the no balls.

[talha3]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC

This was from 5 years ago. I'm guessing he's changed his identity (look) since then. So many dangerous people want this man dead.