NBA 2011/2012 Thread

[Inswinger]

Simple tweet from CP3

@CP3 Chris Paul WoW

[MVP26]

Honestly lakers are better of now. CP3 knees are not in good condition.

[SAF]

oh well. Lakers should just go for D Howard and a decent pg. That should get Kobe his 6th ring.

[MVP26]

Cavs owner wanted trade blocked

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...s_trade_120811

Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert called the New Orleans Hornets’ proposed trade of Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers a “travesty,” and urged NBA commissioner David Stern to put the deal to vote of the league’s 29 owners in an email obtained by Yahoo! Sports. Gilbert sent the email to Stern, deputy commissioner Adam Silver and a handful of Gilbert’s ownership peers on Thursday. The following is the email in its entirety: Commissioner, It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed. This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets. Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing. I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player). I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen. I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do. When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals? Please advise…. Dan G. An NBA spokesman said owners “didn’t kill the deal,” instead citing “basketball reasons,” for why the league office blocked the trade.

still sour about lebron leaving

[kingusama92]

I gotta admit, that was a sick deal for the Lakers.

Could have gone after Howard to complete the trio. What were the Rockets smoking to get involved for Gasol and gut their team?!

Competitive balance is nice, but it's always nice wondering what Kobe + Paul would lead to in terms of on court performance.

[SAF]

Originally Posted by MVP26 Cavs owner wanted trade blocked http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...s_trade_120811 still sour about lebron leaving

read the email again. he never mentions Lebron or the heat.

[Inswinger]

Originally Posted by SAF read the email again. he never mentions Lebron or the heat.

Really? He has to write the words "Lebron" or "Heat" for us to understand where he's coming from?

[MVP26]

Chris Broussard saying Howard to Nets is a done deal.

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by MVP26 Chris Broussard saying Howard to Nets is a done deal.

Really?

Nets would become sick with Deron and Dwight.

[MVP26]

Nets accused of tampering by the magic. Crazy day for nba

[Inswinger]

Disgraceful stuff by the Nets.

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by Inswinger Disgraceful stuff by the Nets.

Agreed.

Very poor. Same goes for Dwight Howard, show some respect for your current team.

This is not even a matter of loyalty, it's a matter of respecting a fan base that's loved you, respecting a team that's made you their leader.

Allegations of tampering are more than valid. Disappointing from Howard and the Nets.

[MVP26]

League sources saying it is false accusation.

[MVP26]

Lakers, Hornets, and Rockets rengage in trade talks

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by MVP26 Lakers, Hornets, and Rockets rengage in trade talks

Will be interesting to see how they restructure it.

[SAF]

Vince carter joins the Mavs.

don't think the Mavs will repeat this year. lost butler, barea, and Chandler..

[MVP26]

Lakers looking really weak right now unless mitch kupchuk pulls of a miracle.

[Inswinger]

Lakers might be looking weak but the Mavericks are looking weak as well. Lakers will still come out on top .

[MVP26]

cp3 is a clipper.

[Inswinger]

Clips might have given up a bit too much. But they get him for 2 years guaranteed. CP3 tossing alley-oops to Griffin and Jordan will be some sight.

Changing of the guard in LA?

[MVP26]

stern raped the clippers especially if the minny pock turns into 1st pick.

[Inswinger]

Clipps should have tried to hold onto one of Gordon or the Minny pick. Should have insisted on giving up Bledsoe instead.

[Saqs]

Was Westbrook traded?

[kingusama92]

Hornets did very well for the situation they were in.

Can't believe they got the pick AND Gordon. Well done, Stern.

Still, CP3 + Griffin + Jordan will be some sight.

[MVP26]

It would be funny if hornets end up with the first pick

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by MVP26 It would be funny if hornets end up with the first pick

As long as Stern is commish, they WILL get first pick.

[MVP26]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 As long as Stern is commish, they WILL get first pick.

Yep and the hornets also are gonna tank this season and end up with drummond/ davis frontcourt.

[SAF]

Clippers gave way too much for Paul.

Who else do the Clippers have besides Griffen and CP3? Nobody..

Still think Mavs are going to repeat as of now (or atleast make the finals again..)

J Kidd/Terry/D West
V Carter/Stevenson/D West
Marion/Odom
Odom
Dirk/Haywood

[Inswinger]

Originally Posted by SAF Clippers gave way too much for Paul. Who else do the Clippers have besides Griffen and CP3? Nobody.. Still think Mavs are going to repeat as of now (or atleast make the finals again..) J Kidd/Terry/D West V Carter/Stevenson/D West Marion/Odom Odom Dirk/Haywood

Mavs are not going to repeat. Won't even make it to the finals. Probably won't even make it to the Western finals.

Clippers have CP3 and a front line of Griffin and Jordan. Not bad. If Billups stays healthy and shoots like he can, they will become a great team.

[SAF]

Originally Posted by Inswinger Mavs are not going to repeat. Won't even make it to the finals. Probably won't even make it to the Western finals. Clippers have CP3 and a front line of Griffin and Jordan. Not bad. If Billups stays healthy and shoots like he can, they will become a great team.

lol Jordan who? so you're saying clippers have a better team than the Mavs? I just don't see how can a team consisting of just 2 good players make it to the finals..yes they have Caron Butler but he is a injury prone and Billups is past hisprime.
the only team close to the Mavs right now is the thunders in the West..

[MVP26]

Clippers have no shooting guard and no depth plus they have vinny del negro as their coach.

Mavs look good but they are gonna miss the defense of chandler. Looking more and more like Hat gonna win it all this year unless Lakers land Howard.

[kingusama92]

It's a shortened season, we might see a surprise team pop up and make a run.

Never know.

Heat and Bulls looking good for a meeting in the ECF. Knicks could push them along with Nets (if they get Howard).

[MVP26]

Bulls are overrated. They only did good last year because they caught teams by surprise now everyone is going to be gunning for them and also derrick rose is not a good point guard. It would be better if he is moved over to the 2 guard spot.

[SAF]

Originally Posted by MVP26 Bulls are overrated. They only did good last year because they caught teams by surprise now everyone is going to be gunning for them and also derrick rose is not a good point guard. It would be better if he is moved over to the 2 guard spot.

How are they overrated exactly? They were one of the best teams last year and nobody talked about them..it was all about the Heat and the Lakers..if anything, they were underrated, not overrated.

Derrick Rose is one of the best PGs in the NBA, idk what player have you been watching..

[SAF]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 It's a shortened season, we might see a surprise team pop up and make a run. Never know. Heat and Bulls looking good for a meeting in the ECF. Knicks could push them along with Nets (if they get Howard).

It'll be Mavs/Heat final again I think..atleast right now..

Nets wont make any noise at all, even with Howard..

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by MVP26 Bulls are overrated. They only did good last year because they caught teams by surprise now everyone is going to be gunning for them and also derrick rose is not a good point guard. It would be better if he is moved over to the 2 guard spot.

I disagree.

Bulls are not overrated.

They have a strong lineup. Boozer, Rose, Noah, Deng. Very strong core of players.

Derrick Rose is a very good point guard. I know where you are coming from, you are simply looking at his assists total and making judgements. However, he makes up for that with his pure scoring ability.

Even then his assists totals are not 'bad' by any means. Still very respectable with almost 8 assists a game to along with 25+ points.

[Inswinger]

Originally Posted by SAF It'll be Mavs/Heat final again I think..atleast right now.. Nets wont make any noise at all, even with Howard..

Mavs are a team loaded with players who are past their prime. They lost some players and replaced them with lesser talent.

The Nets would become instant contender with D-Will and Howard.

[Inswinger]

The balance of power has definitely shifted to the East. I remember when the East was a laughing stock.

[SAF]

Originally Posted by Inswinger Mavs are a team loaded with players who are past their prime. They lost some players and replaced them with lesser talent. The Nets would become instant contender with D-Will and Howard.

the only good player they lost is Tyson, and replaced him with Lamar who had a great year last year (sixth man). they got Delonte west who is also a decent player to come of the bench (not to mention his defense). Vince carter knows this is his last chance so let's see how he does. they are getting Haywood and Terry back and I think kidd can still play for 2 more years.

right now west is all about Mavs and Thunder..Clips will be like last years Knicks, it will take some time for them to gel.

[SAF]

Originally Posted by Inswinger The balance of power has definitely shifted to the East. I remember when the East was a laughing stock.

it all depends on where Howard lands..

[MVP26]

Originally Posted by SAF the only good player they lost is Tyson, and replaced him with Lamar who had a great year last year (sixth man). they got Delonte west who is also a decent player to come of the bench (not to mention his defense). Vince carter knows this is his last chance so let's see how he does. they are getting Haywood and Terry back and I think kidd can still play for 2 more years. right now west is all about Mavs and Thunder..Clips will be like last years Knicks, it will take some time for them to gel.

U serious bro.

Are you comparing chandlers defensive impact to odom

Cuban is trying to clear cap space for dwight and deron. He knows they are not winning this year.

[SAF]

Originally Posted by MVP26 U serious bro. Are you comparing chandlers defensive impact to odom Cuban is trying to clear cap space for dwight and deron. He knows they are not winning this year.

no, I said Odom is still a good enough player. that's all.

[MVP26]

Jeff Green out of the season with heart problems. Celtics have no bench scorer.

[MVP26]

Lakers vs Clippers preseason game coming up soon.

[MVP26]

Interesting to see how cp3 fits in with clippers and also how is kobe's knee.

[MVP26]

Best game of the preseason so far

[MVP26]

Blake Griffen getting pwned by Gasol and then whining to the refs. Looks like another Lebron to me.

[MVP26]

Lakers getting killed by the Clippers. They have no depth whatsoever and now they have mike brown as their coach.

[SAF]

That was just a preseason game. People who are ignoring the Lakers are fools.

Right now they have a HEALTHY Kobe, still have Gasol, Bynum, Artest, and just added Troy Murphy. I also dont think Lakers are done making moves.. (theyll either get Howard by the deadline, or just add more role players like Murphy)

Plus, they will become a MUCH better defensive team with Mike Brown as the coach.

[MVP26]

Originally Posted by SAF That was just a preseason game. People who are ignoring the Lakers are fools. Right now they have a HEALTHY Kobe, still have Gasol, Bynum, Artest, and just added Troy Murphy. I also dont think Lakers are done making moves.. (theyll either get Howard by the deadline, or just add more role players like Murphy) Plus, they will become a MUCH better defensive team with Mike Brown as the coach.

Lol at Troy Murphy and Metta World Peace being factors

Kobe is slow as hell and Bynum is too injury prone. The lakers made a big mistake by trading odom for nothing. They have no decent pg or sf while their bench is warmed by bunch of white guys

[SAF]

Originally Posted by MVP26 Lol at Troy Murphy and Metta World Peace being factors Kobe is slow as hell and Bynum is too injury prone. The lakers made a big mistake by trading odom for nothing. They have no decent pg or sf while their bench is warmed by bunch of white guys

You dont watch too much of Basketball do you? Artest is one of the best defensive players in the league and with Mike Brown (a known defensive coach, and Artest's former coach from Pacers), he will fit right in..unless he gets traded.

Murphy is another good role player that can give you 12+ pts and 10+ rbds every game, which is needed since Lakers bench is not all that good.

lol. Kobe is slow? Was he not one of the leading MVP candidates last year?

and he himself recently said that the treatment he had over the summer did wonders for him and that he is 90% healthier than last year.

As far is Bynum is concerned, this is a shortned season so we'll see how he does this year. Plus there is still a chance that he (along with others) get traded for Howard..


Everyone is just hoping on the Clippers like they just won the West while completely forgetting the Mavs and the Thunder lol. Lakers might be the worst of the top teams in the NBA, but I wouldnt wanna bet against Kobe.

5 rings, 2 0f them came with Gasol, Bynum and Artest...Just sayin'

[MVP26]

Originally Posted by SAF You dont watch too much of Basketball do you? Artest is one of the best defensive players in the league and with Mike Brown (a known defensive coach, and Artest's former coach from Pacers), he will fit right in..unless he gets traded. Murphy is another good role player that can give you 12+ pts and 10+ rbds every game, which is needed since Lakers bench is not all that good. lol. Kobe is slow? Was he not one of the leading MVP candidates last year? and he himself recently said that the treatment he had over the summer did wonders for him and that he is 90% healthier than last year. As far is Bynum is concerned, this is a shortned season so we'll see how he does this year. Plus there is still a chance that he (along with others) get traded for Howard.. Everyone is just hoping on the Clippers like they just won the West while completely forgetting the Mavs and the Thunder lol. Lakers might be the worst of the top teams in the NBA, but I wouldnt wanna bet against Kobe. 5 rings, 2 0f them came with Gasol, Bynum and Artest...Just sayin'

I think you are the one who does not watch any games. Did you watch artest last season,.the guy completly fotgot how to play basketball? Lol.at kobe being leading mvp candidate last season. It was his worst year season since 2000. The guy is clearly on the decline.

As for lakers getting dwight thats a big no. Orlando already rejected Bynum and Gasol and Lakers have no cap room to sign him in the offseason. Dwight said Nets that nets are his preferred team.

Well the clippers are now a top team in the west along with mavs and thunder. Thunder match up well with them because of Perkins and Ibaka. But the.clippers have the best player CP3.

[Inswinger]

Artest was nothing above average last year. Murphy couldn't fit in with the Celtics and I don't see him being a big piece for the Lakers.

[SAF]

Originally Posted by MVP26 I think you are the one who does not watch any games. Did you watch artest last season,.the guy completly fotgot how to play basketball? Lol.at kobe being leading mvp candidate last season. It was his worst year season since 2000. The guy is clearly on the decline. As for lakers getting dwight thats a big no. Orlando already rejected Bynum and Gasol and Lakers have no cap room to sign him in the offseason. Dwight said Nets that nets are his preferred team. Well the clippers are now a top team in the west along with mavs and thunder. Thunder match up well with them because of Perkins and Ibaka. But the.clippers have the best player CP3.

Artest had one bad year. But have you forgotten how IMPORTANT he was for them the year before, especially in the FINALS!?!?!!?

Kobe, if I remember correctly was in the top 5 of MVP ratings..

And just because Clips have CP3 doesnt make them a clear cut favorite to win the West. Have you forgotten about the Spurs? they had the best record last year in the West, if I remember correctly. Parker is still in his prime and can take over games, Manu and Duncan are going to be MUCH healthier this year (just like Kobe)..

dude whatever. You are just one of those fans who like to hop on the bandwagons. Im not surprised.

[SAF]

Originally Posted by Inswinger Artest was nothing above average last year. Murphy couldn't fit in with the Celtics and I don't see him being a big piece for the Lakers.

He only played like 10 games with Celtics..plus I dont think Doc Rivers used his bench the right way...other than that, he avgd a double double with the Pacers.

[Inswinger]

Originally Posted by SAF He only played like 10 games with Celtics..plus I dont think Doc Rivers used his bench the right way...other than that, he avgd a double double with the Pacers.

Double double are highly overrated. The Mavs and Lakers are a weaker team than last year. Clippers have improved and the Thunder are the cream of the crop.

[SAF]

Originally Posted by Inswinger Double double are highly overrated. The Mavs and Lakers are a weaker team than last year. Clippers have improved and the Thunder are the cream of the crop.

How exactly is a Double Double overrated??

Clippers have improved, I'll give you that.
And Lakers have NOT improved, I'll also give you that.

But how does that make Clippers a top team in the West? We dont even know if Billups and Butler can stay healthy for a full season..

I still dont trust the Thunder with Westbrook. As long as he's there, Thunder wont win the West, and if they do make the finals, they'll most likely get swept by the Heat anyway..

Mavs improvement is debatable. Ive seen D West play in alot of games and I know he will be valuable to them, Odom was 6th man of the year, and V Carter has one last shot at the title=motivation, Haywood is coming back and J Kidd still has it. Dirk will be Dirk. But thats just my opinion...

and you also forgot about the Spurs, lol. I'll take Spurs over the Clips anyday. (most well coached team, and has the best bench!)

[Inswinger]

I think your stuck in the past.

There are countless role players that can get you double doubles. Eddy Curry, one of the biggest busts, was a double double. David Lee gets double doubles but how does that help the team win. Double doubles are overrated.

Mavs are not pushing for a title this year. They want to gets as much cap space as possible to have a chance at Howard and D-Will if they hit the market. They wil be a good team, top 4, but have taken a step back. So have the Lakers.

[SAF]

Originally Posted by Inswinger I think your stuck in the past. There are countless role players that can get you double doubles. Eddy Curry, one of the biggest busts, was a double double. David Lee gets double doubles but how does that help the team win. Double doubles are overrated. Mavs are not pushing for a title this year. They want to gets as much cap space as possible to have a chance at Howard and D-Will if they hit the market. They wil be a good team, top 4, but have taken a step back. So have the Lakers.

lol why are you comparing crappy knicks players to Troy Murphy. If you saw the Pacers play, he was actually pretty decent for them.

I still dont see how double double=overrated. If it helps the team win, then I would take them.

West right now is weaker than the East. And Mavs right now have a good chance to win the West. thats all I'm saying..forget about next season.

Plus I never said Lakers will be the champs next year, its just that people are hopping on the Clipper bandwagon for no solid reason.

[MVP26]

No one is saying that clippers are winning the cha,pionship. The heat are still the favorites followed by knicks,bulls and thunder. All the other teams are either to old or dont have enough pieces.

[MVP26]

Originally Posted by SAF Artest had one bad year. But have you forgotten how IMPORTANT he was for them the year before, especially in the FINALS!?!?!!? Kobe, if I remember correctly was in the top 5 of MVP ratings.. And just because Clips have CP3 doesnt make them a clear cut favorite to win the West. Have you forgotten about the Spurs? they had the best record last year in the West, if I remember correctly. Parker is still in his prime and can take over games, Manu and Duncan are going to be MUCH healthier this year (just like Kobe).. dude whatever. You are just one of those fans who like to hop on the bandwagons. Im not surprised.

The spurs were healthy last year and still got pwned by the grizzlies. They need a defensive big man as duncan has really slowed down.

And lol at lakers fan.calling someone a bandwagonner.

[SAF]

Originally Posted by MVP26 The spurs were healthy last year and still got pwned by the grizzlies. They need a defensive big man as duncan has really slowed down. And lol at lakers fan.calling someone a bandwagonner.

Who said I'm a Lakers fan?? Cavs fan for life

And the point is, the season is shortened, so all the good 'old' teams have a decent chance at the title. Plus, Spurs and Bulls were still the best regular season teams last year..

[MVP26]

Just watched the heat magic and lakers clippers game and was shocked by the horrible officiating. Clippers and heat were flopping around like a bunch of divas. Blake Griffin is becoming the new lebron. Guy like he is the greatest thing since slice bread. He couldnt fo s*** against Gasol and Bynum. I really wish someone would just knock this guy out.

[Inswinger]

Lopez is out 6 weeks. Lakers now the favorites for Dwight?

[SAF]

Originally Posted by Inswinger Lopez is out 6 weeks. Lakers now the favorites for Dwight?

Nets got Okur.. so probably yea. I hope Howard ends up in LA somehow..

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by Inswinger Lopez is out 6 weeks. Lakers now the favorites for Dwight?

Seems like it.

[MVP26]

I dont think orlando is gonna trade dwight to lakers. The ownership is still mad over shaq. There is a great chance that dwight and deron go to dallas.

[Inswinger]

If Dwight is not dealt to the Nets, they (Nets) will have to trade D-Will so they can get something back.

[MVP26]

Great game between celtics and knicks. Shame that Joe Crawford determined he game on his whistle.

[iHammad]

Knicks beat Celtics..whatta game! Carmelo Anthony 37 pts and 8 Rebounds!

Kevin Garnett pissed at the end

[iHammad]

Miami 105 - Dallas 94

James 37 pts, Wade 26

[Inswinger]

Good to see the Bulls pull it off at the end. The East is the better conference.

[Gotham Cronie]

Don't really watch the NBA but I do follow how the 76ers are doing.

What's their outlook for this season?

[MVP26]

All the teams I was supporting yesterday lost

[Amir]

Originally Posted by MVP26 All the teams I was supporting yesterday lost

Funny. All those I support won.

[SAF]

heat look good, definitely better than last year. Lebron still the same and its still Wades team. they'll go as far as wade carries them. knicks need time, celtics are doing well even without Pierce, and bulls have potential. in the west, thunders look great, lakers are a different team defense wise and Kobe already looks much fresher than last year but they need a another scorer. clips still need work and we all know how the spurs played them..Mavs look
old and slow but I think they'll be fine as the season goes along..

[MVP26]

Celtics of to 0-3 start. In both their losses to NYK anf MIA the officiating played a big part in determining the final score. Still good to see their gritty performance without pierce. They need a good starting center in order to beat miami in the playoffs.

[MVP26]

Originally Posted by SAF heat look good, definitely better than last year. Lebron still the same and its still Wades team. they'll go as far as wade carries them. knicks need time, celtics are doing well even without Pierce, and bulls have potential. in the west, thunders look great, lakers are a different team defense wise and Kobe already looks much fresher than last year but they need a another scorer. clips still need work and we all know how the spurs played them..Mavs look old and slow but I think they'll be fine as the season goes along..

Lebron looks way better than last year. I am liking his new jumper and improved game in the elbow.

[SAF]

Originally Posted by MVP26 Lebron looks way better than last year. I am liking his new jumper and improved game in the elbow.

well thats because he's not jacking up bricks from the 3pt line.
Didnt see the bobcats game, but if it wasnt for Cole in the last game, heat would have lost...

[SAF]

Kyrie Irving looks good. If he can get a little bigger, he can be like CP3 in a few years. Cavs have a good young team. They should follow OKC's footsteps by building through the draft and make a team around KI, Triten Thompson, and Verajao..that would be sweet.