Younis Khan - Highest Test Batting Average in the world since 2005

[Sameer20]

Originally Posted by ethan hunt because that was his comeback year danny devito fan that series against india in india was when he resurected his career , now stop crying , those stats are better than any indian bat , live with it , and he is a match winner too as an added bonus

ooohhh the touchy mr. hunt is back, n becomes the hunted this time

[Sameer20]

Originally Posted by ethan hunt younis khan has the highest batting average since he resurrected his career in 2005 , he has always performed both at home and away against all opposition , he is neither a flat track bully who gets a pair in england , nor is he a choker , if you are still jelly of his acheivements than all i can tell you is, have a big heart

choker ??

30 march 2011 says hi

[Ironcat]

Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI I think you are missing the point! Scoring in the first or second innings IS more important! Personally I value those a bit more! HOWEVER! In hindsight in a match which is drawn.... I do not value runs scored in the 1st 2nd innings very much because the odds are that it was a FLAT FLAT track! In drawn games the 4 th innings is valued much much more because more often than not, the pitch would have deteriorated once the other batsman had feasted on the flat track. To analyse appropriately you have to split the won/loss games from the drawn ones!!!!

Too much speculation in here to be of use.

Let's see some evidence that a "FLAT FLAT" track deteriorated to a level where you had to bat for your life to "save the test".

And it was a flat track for both teams, so the only way you found yourself in a hole was that you didn't take advantage of its flatness as much as the other team did - e.g.. you conceded a lead.

As for the W/L split, see the post above.

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by W63L35 Yes I was.... and that talk was for big league players not club players... but then again.... if you insist;

I do not see SL in the list...

SS...kya yehi merit hay?

[Looney]

OP maiN bhagwaan ka apmaan ?

[Statsman]

Originally Posted by intothevoid Nothing angers me about Butt's tenor more than the fact that he kept YK out of the team in a period where we toured Aus, NZ and Eng. Those results could have been very different with the legendary YK at number 3/4.

Not only the results but YK's average would also have been very different.

None the less, great job. My favourite Pakistani player and by a distance.

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail So BZ bhai has made an entry in a YK thread. Suraj maghrib se talooh hua hai kya.

Title was interesting so I came to see...

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI here you go.... runs scored in 4th innings of drawn matches.... after others have FEASTED on days 1-4... no names mentioned.... Attachment 21194

Please also provide the links so we can further tweak the query.
(would save us few steps)

[Mobashir]

Younis Khan has been good in tests, but I will not go by these stats has he was not there when he was the most needed : in NZ, Aus and England. On very difficult tracks.
Most of this scores are on very flat tracks.
Highest average is diffrent to better batsman, for exxample, Samaraweera has a better average than Kevin Pietersen, but we all know that KP is a far better batsman.

[hafeezrocks]

Why do Indians get insecure whenever there is a thread dedicated to contribution of a Pakistani Batsman ? The OP only presented a simple fact that Younis averages the highest in last 6-7 years so from where does Sachin come in between ?

Slightest appreciation of any other player makes the Indians insecure that people are taking digs at there own ftb/htm legends

[Poison]

Every time I come in a YK thread there's always some haters.

I don't understand these people ... how can you hate YK? He's the most likeable cricketer of all time, so happy all the time

[Inziquicksingle]

Originally Posted by W63L35 Yes I was.... and that talk was for big league players not club players... but then again.... if you insist;

LMAO pwned as usual.

[intothevoid]

As I said - some posters are really showing their true colours here. The numbers really speak for themselves and i've sliced them about 4-5 different ways and shown YK to be in the top 3 since 2005 whichever way you look at it.

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Originally Posted by Ironcat Too much speculation in here to be of use. Let's see some evidence that a "FLAT FLAT" track deteriorated to a level where you had to bat for your life to "save the test". And it was a flat track for both teams, so the only way you found yourself in a hole was that you didn't take advantage of its flatness as much as the other team did - e.g.. you conceded a lead. As for the W/L split, see the post above.

Speculation.... I think the below shows how rare it is to score runs in the 4th innings of a drawn test.

Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI here you go.... runs scored in 4th innings of drawn matches.... after others have FEASTED on days 1-4... no names mentioned.... yk4.JPG

Yes - if it was a flat pitch for both sides - doesnt stop it from being a flat pitch.

Like I said.

A flat pitch that result in a draw means that its too flat from me to care about the 1-3 innings scores.

I totally buy your W/L thoery - but only relevant in pitches that result in results. ie in matches won and lost, all innings are equal with the first/second innings slightly more so.

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI Speculation.... I think the below shows how rare it is to score runs in the 4th innings of a drawn test. Yes - if it was a flat pitch for both sides - doesnt stop it from being a flat pitch. Like I said. A flat pitch that result in a draw means that its too flat from me to care about the 1-3 innings scores. I totally buy your W/L thoery - but only relevant in pitches that result in results. ie in matches won and lost, all innings are equal with the first/second innings slightly more so.

Younis having played just 8 innings here, is it hard to look at the scorecards (when you didn't have watch the game) to see if the pitch was in fact hard to bat on, or was it FLAT or even FLATER than in the first two innings.

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Originally Posted by Black Zero Please also provide the links so we can further tweak the query. (would save us few steps)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

[Ironcat]

Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI Speculation.... I think the below shows how rare it is to score runs in the 4th innings of a drawn test. Yes - if it was a flat pitch for both sides - doesnt stop it from being a flat pitch. Like I said. A flat pitch that result in a draw means that its too flat from me to care about the 1-3 innings scores. I totally buy your W/L thoery - but only relevant in pitches that result in results. ie in matches won and lost, all innings are equal with the first/second innings slightly more so.

I don't quite get your query above. What exactly is it trying to say or prove? There are more names on both the 4th-inning "won" and "lost" lists:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

In any case, I'm looking for evidence that a flat pitch all of a sudden become a miinefield in the 4th inning.

Even if I take that statement at face value, it just goes on to prove how much more valuable it is to score runs in the first/second inning. The longer you wait, the higher your chances of losing.

[bad boy]

stats matter if a pakistani player is on top and they dont , when players like sachin, dravid and sehwag sitting on top of the pyramid ...

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

So MR_Khan_JI, have you looked the scorecards of Younis's 8 innings he batted in the query you presented us?
If yes, do you think that Younis batted well on difficult pitches or he batted well on flat pitches?

[90MPH]

Originally Posted by hafeezrocks Why do Indians get insecure whenever there is a thread dedicated to contribution of a Pakistani Batsman ? The OP only presented a simple fact that Younis averages the highest in last 6-7 years so from where does Sachin come in between ? Slightest appreciation of any other player makes the Indians insecure that people are taking digs at there own ftb/htm legends

Noticed that too.

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by Black Zero Title was interesting so I came to see...

...and yet you don't say anything about the OP!

Originally Posted by Black Zero I do not see SL in the list... SS...kya yehi merit hay?

You are the one who has been bashing SL lately are undermining Misbah's teams performances vs SL....and now you want SL included for that one-team-only-can-play-in-Ind/PAk-player?

You are the one whose merit qualification changes with or without MaliK!

Here is what you said....

Originally Posted by Black Zero i have to agree thats it's the most satisfying thing to beat the mighty zim/sl/bd.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...postcount=5231
... and now you want SL included?

Going in circles again.

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Originally Posted by Ironcat I don't quite get your query above. What exactly is it trying to say or prove? There are more names on both the 4th-inning "won" and "lost" lists: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting In any case, I'm looking for evidence that a flat pitch all of a sudden become a miinefield in the 4th inning. Even if I take that statement at face value, it just goes on to prove how much more valuable it is to score runs in the first/second inning. The longer you wait, the higher your chances of losing.

Its more likely to have become a minefield in the last day of of drawn match.

just like its more likely that a drawn game was a flat track.

You may get a situation that it was rained off after 3 days.

As with ALL STATS... they are just STATS!

PS: trying to analysie 4th innings in won matches wont show much.. as there is comparitively less differnece between the innings in a completed match.

usually in drawn games... the pitches are really flat in the first 3-4 days and then the pitches deteriorate. Hence you get a bigger disparity between the value of runs between 4th innings and other innings.

[saeedhk]

Well done khan saab

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Originally Posted by Mobashir Younis Khan has been good in tests, but I will not go by these stats has he was not there when he was the most needed : in NZ, Aus and England. On very difficult tracks. Most of this scores are on very flat tracks. Highest average is diffrent to better batsman, for exxample, Samaraweera has a better average than Kevin Pietersen, but we all know that KP is a far better batsman.

Many of samaraweera runs have come in drawn games... Ie flat tracks.

Hence why no one remembers.


Re yk. It's a fact that he wasn't around in those difficult pitches. It is what it is. But he can't control that.

Also if you look at the stats when he has played in difficult conditions he has done alright.

[intothevoid]

Thank you Khan Ji for your well thought out and articulated posts

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Originally Posted by intothevoid Thank you Khan Ji for your well thought out and articulated posts

Thank you for highlighting the informative OP.

[intothevoid]

Most welcome

[shaaan]

Great Job YK!!!

I am not sure why some here are arguing about his average. Well, its all part and parcel of the game, some time you get a bowling friednly wicket and some time you get a flat wicket. Earlier in his career he did play on bowling friedly tracks (i.e. Aus, SA, Eng,) and his average is pretty high in those conditions. In later part of the career he has played mostly in Asia and once in NZ (again his average is pretty consistent). So I don't get the argument that his average is not representative since he missed Aus and Eng tour of 2010. If you look at one of stats the W posted earlier his average in bowling friednly conditions is quite high and the number of games he played there is quite compareable to other pakistan greats.

[akheR]

That 267 under pressure, which eventually led to a Test win for Pakistan, epitomizes Younis Khan's comeback, and that's why the 2005 year:


Younus Khan 267 v India 2005 par Cornered-Tiger

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64127.html

[IMMY69]

Another stat that backs up YK's performances on different wickets are his firstclass performances in Pakistan, England and Australia...

[s2k]

So we take a 7 year period of a players career out of which in 4 years he didnt play a test match outside Asia.played only 2 top 5 teams during that period.

Most other top batsman of every other team played played all most all other top 5 teams both home and away during the same period.

Past performances do not mean repetition of the same at present.And if YK didnt get to play for Pakistan because of whatever reason is his problem,i would rate all players from Kallis Smith Cook Trott SRT Dravid Sehwag or even MoYo over YK during this period.Over their Careers YK may be the better Batsman then Mo Yo

[intothevoid]

Good for you.

You love talking but have no stats to back your talk up - i've done my bit, now either back up what you say with hard numbers or gracefully bow out of this argument

[Zaz]

Originally Posted by Statsman Not only the results but YK's average would also have been very different. None the less, great job. My favourite Pakistani player and by a distance.

Yes it wouldve been higher

[Statsman]

Originally Posted by Zaz Yes it wouldve been higher

Yeah, you might be right. Just checked, great numbers (barring in SA).

[Blitz]

Originally Posted by Statsman Yeah, you might be right. Just checked, great numbers (barring in SA).

Considering, his lowest average, in the one of the worst places to bat on the planet is still better then most of the Pakistani batsmen in the last decade, just shows his class.

Even I didn't think his all round record was so impressive. But it is, everywhere. Statistically, better then Moyo and Inzi.


But, still, He's not quite attained the legendary status of the above two, and that may be because of his ODI performances.

[cricketworm]

Please continue this form against Poms!! Pak. will need it so badly there.

[NJamal]

Younis is very underrated. Well done to the Khan from Mardan. Great servant of Pakistan Cricket.

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by Statsman Yeah, you might be right. Just checked, great numbers (barring in SA).

How many Asian batsmen have really great numbers in SA?

[Statsman]

Originally Posted by W63L35 How many Asian batsmen have really great numbers in SA?

Yeah, you know its bad when Dhoni is in the list.

[Statsman]

Originally Posted by Blitz Considering, his lowest average, in the one of the worst places to bat on the planet is still better then most of the Pakistani batsmen in the last decade, just shows his class. Even I didn't think his all round record was so impressive. But it is, everywhere. Statistically, better then Moyo and Inzi. But, still, He's not quite attained the legendary status of the above two, and that may be because of his ODI performances.

Yeah, surprisingly poor at ODI. But the test performances are the ones remembered in the long run. Should go the Laxman way, save himself from the embarrassment of ODIs, and prolong his test career as much as he can. Till 38-39.

[Monsee]

Oh the wall is below 30.00 what a chump...poor poor batsman; don't know why Indians rate him so much!

Indian pick so much on Inzi's poor record in SA...as if their so called legends average 100 there...not even one averages 50.00 there

[GOAT]

Originally Posted by Monsee Oh phaa jee choosni gawaach gayi jeh tuhaadi...assi khreed dayi tuhanuun nawin aaali? Seriously, Oh Mr. S2K, you have shared your narrow and jealous views with all others, in this thread, a good dozen times...can you just shut up now? Go get a life as most are not arguing with you or against you...YK, did not himself got to choose who to play against; there is a thing called fate, he could not fight that as PCB was not selecting him any more! You don't agree, either don't post or just get a move on...we will filter the results to our choosing and probably why this site is called Pakpassion. P.S. Where do we send you pacifier at...kindly share you address but only once would be enough. Thanks

I love everything about this post

[Monsee]

^^^POTW nominations anyone

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by Monsee Oh phaa jee choosni gawaach gayi jeh tuhaadi...assi khreed dayi tuhanuun nawin aaali? P.S. Where do we send you pacifier at...kindly share you address but only once would be enough. Thanks

Monsee..... do you honestly think ..... a simple plain old fashion choosni will be able to cure the chronic condition we are talking about here?

[Monsee]

^^^Yes, when 10 year old bachoongraay's are involved...as clearly is the case here with S(-2) K

[GOAT]

Originally Posted by Monsee ^^^POTW nominations anyone

Too controversial my man, too controversial.

[Ironcat]

Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI Its more likely to have become a minefield in the last day of of drawn match. just like its more likely that a drawn game was a flat track. You may get a situation that it was rained off after 3 days. As with ALL STATS... they are just STATS! PS: trying to analysie 4th innings in won matches wont show much.. as there is comparitively less differnece between the innings in a completed match. usually in drawn games... the pitches are really flat in the first 3-4 days and then the pitches deteriorate. Hence you get a bigger disparity between the value of runs between 4th innings and other innings.

I've got to say this is a very far-fetched proof. I see what you are trying to say, but unfortunately the numbers don't agree. For example, several matches in your "draw" query were mostly played on flat pitches where the pitches grew progressively flatter (SA series last year in UAE). And several of the "won" matches entered the 5th day no problemo.

[saeed-sohail]

Ye kiya choosni business ho riya ithay. Sanoon vi daso.

Btw there is another trade booming off late. Bathakh business(BZ will confirm)

[zubair007]

Great achievement by Younis. Some people don't take the limelight yet keep performing well behind the shadows. Give credit where it is due. Why is there a need to undermine a good performance by anyone, even if it is not your own team?
It's very easy to criticize and find faults in anyone's achievements, nobody is perfect and there is always something that some people will talk about. In my experience, these people are the jealous kinds who themselves have not achieved much in life and always tend to find the shortcomings than appreciate the achievements .. oh well ...

[James]

Top quality test batsman, arguably in Pakistan's top five to date.

[hafeezrocks]

Originally Posted by W63L35 How many Asian batsmen have really great numbers in SA?

Wow .

Inzamam better than Dravid in SA .

[zubair007]

Yeah, and Taufeeq Umar and Azhar Mahmood are better than Tendulkar :-)

[osee_bhai]

Great stuff, we don't give YK enough credit!

[gangstathe13th]

This is great news! I must say this is very impressive. Feel sad that Younis missed a year or two in the middle.

[ethan hunt]

Originally Posted by Sameer20 ooohhh the touchy mr. hunt is back, n becomes the hunted this time

exactly the kind of post one expects from.......

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[Awesome_Username]

Originally Posted by Ironcat I didn't miss the point. I thought I addressed it but it looks like I haven't. I have bolded above the part which is the underlying premise of this argument. You are speculating that the runs scored in the fourth inning at the expense of those in the first (or second) will automatically mean that you will win. I disagree. If I was given the choice of scoring 50 runs in the first or second inning versus in the fourth inning, I must choose to score them in the first or second. To illustrate, say, my team bats second, and I score 40 in the first inning and 40 in the fourth. Now, someone tells me I can magically add 20 runs to my score , and I have three options: (1) Add 20 to second (2) Add 20 to fourth (3) Add 10 to second and 10 to fourth If I choose any of (2) or (3), my team is more likely to lose than if I choose (1). Why? History. History gives us the stats. I'll post those stats below, but common sense would tell you that if I'm batting in the fourth inning by conceding, say, a lead earlier, I'm playing into the game by my opposition. My opposition is controlling the pieces - they can choose to declare if they want to win or choose to bat a bit longer to rule out a loss. I'm at their mercy. So, my broader point is, score as much as you want in the 4th inning, but all you are trying to do in that case is probably just saving the match. I want you to score in the first/second inning - score in the fourth is a bonus.

The thing is, no one is denying the importance of 1/2 innings runs. We are (or at least I am) not saying that a batsman should make NO impact in the first innings. But what you're discounting is that all batsmen bat in the fourth innings on far fewer occasions than in, say, the first. I'd say it would be around two thirds or three fourths for most batsmen. Their fourth innings average would have much less of an impact on their overall average than their first innings efforts.

So if a batsman wants to have a good average overall, he'll still need to be very good in the first/second innings. Just having a good fourth innings average won't do. And, invariably, no matter how well a team has been doing, there will come times when a good fourth innings innings effort will be required. It's happened to the best of sides. In this scenario, the guy who can survive the pressure will get you the result you want. You don't want your guy to be an absolute bunny under pressure on a wearing wicket.

[Ironcat]

Originally Posted by Awesome_Username The thing is, no one is denying the importance of 1/2 innings runs. We are (or at least I am) not saying that a batsman should make NO impact in the first innings. But what you're discounting is that all batsmen bat in the fourth innings on far fewer occasions than in, say, the first. I'd say it would be around two thirds or three fourths for most batsmen. Their fourth innings average would have much less of an impact on their overall average than their first innings efforts. So if a batsman wants to have a good average overall, he'll still need to be very good in the first/second innings. Just having a good fourth innings average won't do. And, invariably, no matter how well a team has been doing, there will come times when a good fourth innings innings effort will be required. It's happened to the best of sides. In this scenario, the guy who can survive the pressure will get you the result you want. You don't want your guy to be an absolute bunny under pressure on a wearing wicket.

We are going in circles here. My post is not about averages. Averages is not what teams are after. Teams are after wins. This is exactly what's wrong with Younis Khan's 4th inning averages - they didn't mean much when it came to winning the game. If a player scored 100 in the second inning and 0 in the fourth, versus another player who scored 50 in each of those two innings, I'd have the first player in my team all day long.

Now, if you are saying that we should have both players in the team because cricket is a team sport, then I have no problem with that statement. But, that's not how the original argument was put forth (by someone else). What was presented was a list of 4th-inning averages to show how Younis was a better player than the others. Which was a bit OTT.

[Awesome_Username]

Originally Posted by Ironcat We are going in circles here. My post is not about averages. Averages is not what teams are after. Teams are after wins. This is exactly what's wrong with Younis Khan's 4th inning averages - they didn't mean much when it came to winning the game. If a player scored 100 in the second inning and 0 in the fourth, versus another player who scored 50 in each of those two innings, I'd have the first player in my team all day long. Now, if you are saying that we should have both players in the team because cricket is a team sport, then I have no problem with that statement. But, that's not how the original argument was put forth (by someone else). What was presented was a list of 4th-inning averages to show how Younis was a better player than the others. Which was a bit OTT.

I agree, it definitely is not an indicator of a better/worse player. Just a rarer ability that makes certain players stand out.

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by Monsee Oh phaa jee choosni gawaach gayi jeh tuhaadi...assi khreed dayi tuhanuun nawin aaali? Seriously, Oh Mr. S2K, you have shared your narrow and jealous views with all others, in this thread, a good dozen times...can you just shut up now? Go get a life as most are not arguing with you or against you...YK, did not himself got to choose who to play against; there is a thing called fate, he could not fight that as PCB was not selecting him any more! You don't agree, either don't post or just get a move on...we will filter the results to our choosing and probably why this site is called Pakpassion. P.S. Where do we send you pacifier at...kindly share you address but only once would be enough. Thanks

This kind of a post by somone who wanted Afridi to fail against Sri Lanka? Pakpassion...

[ShehryarK]

Originally Posted by Mobashir This kind of a post by somone who wanted Afridi to fail against Sri Lanka? Pakpassion...

I highly doubt Monsee would ever want a Pakistani player to fail to the detriment of the team.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Mobashir This kind of a post by somone who wanted Afridi to fail against Sri Lanka? Pakpassion...

Then you don't know me at all...hence, no need to even point fingers

Go read that thread again and see my reasoning...now that he has his mouth shut and performing consistently, I have no issues

But if his ego/persona/antics/childish shennanigans etc. start effecting the team again...I will have no issues saying the same stuff again!

No one is bigger than the team!

[s2k]

I post positive what i think is positive,dont do it for the sake of it.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by s2k I post positive what i think is positive,dont do it for the sake of it.

That sums it up...even you can't find anything positive to say about Pak despite being dared

We know, we know...the love is just flowing in your veins!

[CORNERED-TIGER]

Younus Khan ROCKS

[Buffet]

Originally Posted by Monsee Oh the wall is below 30.00 what a chump...poor poor batsman; don't know why Indians rate him so much! Indian pick so much on Inzi's poor record in SA...as if their so called legends average 100 there...not even one averages 50.00 there

Forget about anyone picking on Inzzi.

If it was only poor record in SA , I don't think it will matter much. Ponting has poor record against India in India. Inzzi poor record against SA & Aus in SA, AUS and Pakistan. Against top two teams, home and away in total 27 matches , he has an average of 30-33.

I am huge fan of him and in my opinion he should have done better against them. He had the gift of timing the ball better than most but for some reason his performance against SA/Aus was below his regular standards irrespective of where the game was played.

[AZulfi]

Originally Posted by intothevoid Not sure if many are aware of this stat: So proud of YK - been my favourite Pak Batsmen since the famous 267 against India Since his comeback last year, his average has been about 80! Here's to him achieving his goal of 100 tests and Inshallah becoming Pak's highest ever run getter

Great stats

Younis has missed 10 odd tests thru PCB politics over the past 7 years but look at the number of tests (70 odd) played by Pietersen, Cook, Ponting, Dravid and Sachin (even though he's missed a few series) in the same period. Pak players are clearly at a disadvantage compared with their counterparts from England Australia, and India when it comes to breaking records in test cricket i.e. Pak players do not get to play as many tests during their peak years as players from certain countries

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Buffet Forget about anyone picking on Inzzi. If it was only poor record in SA , I don't think it will matter much. Ponting has poor record against India in India. Inzzi poor record against SA & Aus in SA, AUS and Pakistan. Against top two teams, home and away in total 27 matches , he has an average of 30-33. I am huge fan of him and in my opinion he should have done better against them. He had the gift of timing the ball better than most but for some reason his performance against SA/Aus was below his regular standards irrespective of where the game was played.

Every player has fared poorly against one or more of the top teams...even players who seem to have well rounded stats have some weakness in their record e.g. Dravid in SA, Teenda against Pak (who now averages better but used to have an average in the 30's when Pak had a strong bowling attack), etc.

One thing, and this is just my opinion, which went against Inzi when playing SA/Australia...was the fact that Pak did not play both those teams on a regular basis. If inzi had more exposure to the two teams on a regular basis, he would have fared better. Again, that is just my own opinion!

All I remember about Inzi was the fact that as long as he was still out there, fans always had the feeling all is not lost and we can still win/save the game, even if 5-6-7-8-9 wickets were down. He just had that aura that made us all believe!

Any sets of stats could, no matter how bad, could end that feeling of security!

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by ShehryarK I highly doubt Monsee would ever want a Pakistani player to fail to the detriment of the team.

I don't know Monsee personnaly, but like you I was surprised that someone with so many posts want a pakistan player to fail.

Here is the ling for you ShehryarK, I think you were absent from PP these days...

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...d.php?t=139383

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI Many of samaraweera runs have come in drawn games... Ie flat tracks. Hence why no one remembers. Re yk. It's a fact that he wasn't around in those difficult pitches. It is what it is. But he can't control that. Also if you look at the stats when he has played in difficult conditions he has done alright.

MR_Khan_JI, it's all very good to post interesting statistics but it well be nice from you to awnser when someone question these stats.

Your theory was : As most tracks detoriorate over the days, stats in the 4th innings of draw matches are important.
You went on by posting those stats over the last 5-6 years, and Younis came on top.

So I asked, as this occured only on a few (8innings for YK) occasions, it is hard to look at the scorecard of these 8 matches and see if your theory is actually right or is wrong?

What I found, is that most of those rund by Younis Khan came on ultra flat pitches, and most of the pitches were even flatter in the 3rd and 4 innings.
Every time the pitch detoriorated, like you said, he failed to impress.

[Buffet]

Originally Posted by Monsee Every player has fared poorly against one or more of the top teams...even players who seem to have well rounded stats have some weakness in their record e.g. Dravid in SA, Teenda against Pak (who now averages better but used to have an average in the 30's when Pak had a strong bowling attack), etc. One thing, and this is just my opinion, which went against Inzi when playing SA/Australia...was the fact that Pak did not play both those teams on a regular basis. If inzi had more exposure to the two teams on a regular basis, he would have fared better. Again, that is just my own opinion! All I remember about Inzi was the fact that as long as he was still out there, fans always had the feeling all is not lost and we can still win/save the game, even if 5-6-7-8-9 wickets were down. He just had that aura that made us all believe! Any sets of stats could, no matter how bad, could end that feeling of security!

That was so true.

[Zaz]

Originally Posted by Mobashir MR_Khan_JI, it's all very good to post interesting statistics but it well be nice from you to awnser when someone question these stats. Your theory was : As most tracks detoriorate over the days, stats in the 4th innings of draw matches are important. You went on by posting those stats over the last 5-6 years, and Younis came on top. So I asked, as this occured only on a few (8innings for YK) occasions, it is hard to look at the scorecard of these 8 matches and see if your theory is actually right or is wrong? What I found, is that most of those rund by Younis Khan came on ultra flat pitches, and most of the pitches were even flatter in the 3rd and 4 innings. Every time the pitch detoriorated, like you said, he failed to impress.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/299004.html

Here u go A 4th innings 100 against a quality attack where younus was only century maker from his team in the match

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/238217.html

And check out this matchwinning 4th innings unbeaten half century in a low scoring seaming wkt where most batsmen failed (and if you think this is a flat pitch, make a note of sri lankas 2nd innings score)

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/250666.html

and another

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by Zaz http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/299004.html Here u go A 4th innings 100 against a quality attack where younus was only century maker from his team in the match http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/238217.html And check out this matchwinning 4th innings unbeaten half century in a low scoring seaming wkt where most batsmen failed (and if you think this is a flat pitch, make a note of sri lankas 2nd innings score) http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/250666.html and another

These are very good innings, especially 1 and 3.
The number too is not so grat, is was easy batting when pakistan chased down the target.

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by Zaz http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/299004.html Here u go A 4th innings 100 against a quality attack where younus was only century maker from his team in the match http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/238217.html And check out this matchwinning 4th innings unbeaten half century in a low scoring seaming wkt where most batsmen failed (and if you think this is a flat pitch, make a note of sri lankas 2nd innings score) http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/250666.html and another

If you would have red my post better, and the contest of the thread, Mr_KHAN_JI was talking about 4th innings in draw matches. Is any of the three matches you posted a draw? I don't think so...

[shahrukh619]

HIGHEST AVG BY A PAKISTANI BATSMEN IN TEST CRICKET & 23rd OVERALL