The World Cup Semi Final in Mohali was "Corrupt" (Sunday Times)

[Bewal Express]

Is the match next week fixed as i can tell you now Ind will win easy as our players freeze on the big occasions against them.

[pakistani lion]

corrupt or not, i will always love pakistan

[786warrior]

Originally Posted by kabir000 Is the match next week fixed as i can tell you now Ind will win easy as our players freeze on the big occasions against them.

It's a shame their bank accounts are not frozen - might see improved performance??!!!

[shinchan]

Originally Posted by mohimran Its not always money.....sonetimes they get players by getting prostitutes to hook up with them n threaten to ruin their marriage. Yuraj has money now but maybe he got in with thes peoplr 10 years ago n they threaten to expose him unless he continues to fix Also article mentions ipl..... no pakistanis ther

u watch too many bollywood movies

[pakistani lion]

IPL is 100% corrupt and fixed, no body says anything because it is INDIA

[Krishnan]

After the amir,asif fiasco i dont think any of the pakistani players would have thought of fixing in such a big encounter where there was tremendous srcutiny.

If anyone was doing it,maybe it would have to be from one of the indians,but i doubt it,again because of the shame that would happen to the players if they were caught in such a big match

[zaid65]

Hahahaha, I was one of those who posted in length and had lot of discussion with so many people that match was fixed..I remember getting warning from Mods not to discuss the match fixing.

Let me add one more thing, the match was fixed at higher level and the money was made to distribute to the top level people.

[zaid65]

This is why I have always maintained that fixing is not limited to Aamir, Asif or Butt level, it is still going on and not limited to only Pakistan cricket.

Cricket has become WWWF.

[in_cutter]

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[sam]

Originally Posted by zaid65 Hahahaha, I was one of those who posted in length and had lot of discussion with so many people that match was fixed..I remember getting warning from Mods not to discuss the match fixing. Let me add one more thing, the match was fixed at higher level and the money was made to distribute to the top level people.

Did Afridi mastermind it all, zaid?

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by sam Did Afridi mastermind it all, zaid?

It is obvious,... because Afridi was the captain of the match, I hope people should realized why he did not take the power play in batting at crucial moment

[sam]

Originally Posted by zaid65 It is obvious,... because Afridi was the captain of the match, I hope people should realized why he did not take the power play in batting at crucial moment

Of course, sounds more "normal" now. I was wondering why there was no blame-Afridi tone in that earlier post of yours.

[Savak]

There is only one player i would suspect greatly from that infamous day, everyone knows what his name is so no need to add further.

[Runner Up]

I would rather say it was a friendly fixed between two Prime Ministers. One can assume that if Pakistan won, they would have to play in Mumbai and probably stay in the same hotel where terrorists attacked. Further, it would have been very very difficult to manage the security of our players. The body language of our players is another example where they dropped so many easy catches and the shot played by Hafeez was in my opinion was subspecies too.

p.s. it’s just my opinion and I am sure many will be disagree

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by Savak There is only one player i would suspect greatly from that infamous day, everyone knows what his name is so no need to add further.

You mean the same player who throw away his wicket to first ball in 2007 T20 final to Irfan Pathan?

[sam]

Originally Posted by zaid65 You mean the same player who throw away his wicket to first ball in 2007 T20 final to Irfan Pathan?

The player who never won an important game for Pakistan.

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by sam The player who never won an important game for Pakistan.

You mean the guy who choked in last 4 world cups in all important games?

[sam]

Originally Posted by zaid65 You mean the guy who choked in last 4 world cups in all important games?

The guy chokes in all games, world cups or not.

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by sam The guy chokes in all games, world cups or not.

You are right an average of 23 with the bat and 33 with the ball in last 16 years is considered " choking"

[Bewal Express]

The match in Mohali was not fixed, its just used as an excuse for the poor performance. Have all the performances against Ind in WC`s been fixed or that we just looked scared in WC matches. In 92 we only needed to chase around 220 and are you telling me that Miandad and Imran we in on it, or 2003 when we got marmalised by Tend where all the bowlers in on it. We have a mental blockage against Ind and until we win one we will continue to lose.
BTW it was the same for Ind in Sharjah, the more they lost the more they looked scared and the more we hammered them.

[JibranAnsari]

Or the guy who won you the only world cup in last 20 years

[sam]

Originally Posted by zaid65 You are right an average of 23 with the bat and 33 with the ball in last 16 years is considered " choking"

He doesn't bowl. Just tuks.

[Crazy_K]

Originally Posted by pakistani lion IPL is 100% corrupt and fixed, no body says anything because it is INDIA

A lot of people say its fixed, its just nobody can provide evidence for it. Actually, nobody has gone past pure speculation

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by Crazy_K A lot of people say its fixed, its just nobody can provide evidence for it. Actually, nobody has gone past pure speculation

It did not look fixed. Misbah as we know is bad with chasing calculations.

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by sam He doesn't bowl. Just tuks.

He is smart, does not like to bowl or perform only against minnows ( still bowling average in the mid 30's)

[sam]

Originally Posted by zaid65 He is smart, does not like to bowl or perform only against minnows ( still bowling average in the mid 30's)

An MBA helps.

[eradicator]

Originally Posted by JibranAnsari Or the guy who won you the only world cup in last 20 years

You sure it wasnt fixed ?

[Runner Up]

Originally Posted by JibranAnsari It did not look fixed. Misbah as we know is bad with chasing calculations.

He was talking about IPL though

[Amoeba]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal This reminds me of the MP’s expenses scandal in the UK. Got a feeling 2012 will unearth a lot of home truths with respect to fixing and Indian bookies. I’m all up for it. Bring it all down.

With 4 players having been sentenced to prison recently in the UK, and others mentioned in court under oath, we have conclusive proof that the game is crooked at both international and domestic levels. The question of course is whether these 4 players are the iceberg or merely the tip of the iceberg.

I would suggest that you would have to be extremely naive to have faith it is the former.

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by Crazy_K A lot of people say its fixed, its just nobody can provide evidence for it. Actually, nobody has gone past pure speculation

Reason there is no evidence, because everybody is getting their share of money from the IPL, not only players have been awarded the huge contracts, cricket boards have been awarded the series to play with India and make more money.

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by sam An MBA helps.

Yes this is the downside for not going to the school, even after taking the tail ender wickets ( against minnows) , you celebrated like conquered the world.

[IgnitedMind]

Astonished how some people are finding solace in the pakistan loss because its fixing. Not at all believing a bookie's statements who is trying to lure domestic english cricketer...

If India can loose all allmost all ODI's and 8 test matches in a row with out fixing just after WC..pakistan can drop 5 catches and loose with out fixing

Have some pride and respect your players before you go along with a noise...and before there is actuall evidence..

and India is a huge market..ofcourse bookies will be majority from india..its the duty of the boards and ethics of the players to not take money....India has corruption in every walk of life..so there will be bookies in India...as much as I like to see no corruption..routing out curroption from India will take lot of time and effort..easier way is educated and shield cricketers..which some domestic circles and international teams are failing in....

I personally do not think mohali was fixed..nor was India losses afterwards with out a loss....And if it is fixed I guess dishonest ethicless players did not deserve to win there anyway..

[adit_sh]

Fix in front of Indian and Pakistani PREMIERS ?? GOSH Unimaginable from any corners

Why World cup finals or QTR finals SA and NZ is not suspected?

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by JibranAnsari Or the guy who won you the only world cup in last 20 years

Not world cup but T20 masla cup

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by Runner Up He was talking about IPL though

LOL sorry

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by zaid65 Not world cup but T20 masla cup

Was a world cup ..now whatever you say!

[sam]

Originally Posted by zaid65 Yes this is the downside for not going to the school, even after taking the tail ender wickets ( against minnows) , you celebrated like conquered the world.

But he doesn't bowl. He tuks.

[sam]

Zaid,

Funny how you fault somebody for getting out in a T20 cup:

Originally Posted by zaid65 You mean the same player who throw away his wicket to first ball in 2007 T20 final to Irfan Pathan?

But refuse to give credit for winning the same. Just as here--

Originally Posted by zaid65 Not world cup but T20 masla cup

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by JibranAnsari Was a world cup ..now whatever you say!

It was ICC world T20 ( not world cup ), there is only one world cup of cricket.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/wt202009...es/335113.html

[Blade]

in the Cricinfo main article on the main page, the bookie claims he mainly pays batsman to score slowly. Just saying.

[Amoeba]

I agree fans shouldn't be finding solace in these accusations - its a Saleem Malik / Asif Iqbal kind of toss - heads we lose, tails you win. My own longheld view has been cricket is corrupt from the very top down to the bottom. This corruption can take many forms from political pressure for match fixing, gambling gangs taking advantage of spot fixing to who does and doesn't get picked.

Mohali was almost definately fixed in regards all three. The boards and therefore Governments would have been involved and countless little spot fixing scams taken place throughout the game. However the fact that we were beaten by the bookies not the opposition is nothing to cheer about - the only loser, in the short term of all this, is us cricket fans - of all nations!

[zid60]

Originally Posted by 786warrior Cricket played by a nation such as Pak which is corrupt from the roots up - and we act surprised at allegations of fixing - PLEASE GET REAL!! CORRUPTION IS PART OF THE PAK CULTURE, AND FOR MANY THEIR RELIGION!!!!! One example - the Pak vs Bengali game WC 1999 that we lost - every Bengali restaurant owner client (my father is an accountant) told my father the game is fixed well before the game started!!! THEY BLOODY KNEW IT!!!!!! That KAMI!!!! How many games?? how many dropped catches/ missed runouts/ missed stumpings?? Sorry to insult Indian fans, your team may have been playing the WC semi 2011 with the best intentions, but Misbah and Younus Khan's dropped catches?; Gul losing the plot when bowling??? Pak batting falling away (nothing new) during the chase???

What do you mean?

[sam]

Originally Posted by Blade in the Cricinfo main article on the main page, the bookie claims he mainly pays batsman to score slowly. Just saying.

I am no Misbah fan but playing slow comes naturally to him.

[Amoeba]

Originally Posted by adit_sh Fix in front of Indian and Pakistani PREMIERS ?? GOSH Unimaginable from any corners Why World cup finals or QTR finals SA and NZ is not suspected?

Are the premiers particularly hardnosed in the fight against corruption?

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by zaid65 It was ICC world T20 ( not world cup ), there is only one world cup of cricket. http://www.espncricinfo.com/wt202009...es/335113.html

As I said ''whatever you say'' . Playing with words doesn't change the fact that won us a tournament where all test playing nations + selected associates played.

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by navroks123 Astonished how some people are finding solace in the pakistan loss because its fixing. Not at all believing a bookie's statements who is trying to lure domestic english cricketer...

Let’s be fair here navroks123.

Indians found solace in the notion the SF between IND and SL in 1996 was fixed. 4 years later, Captain of India and a host of other Indian players were banned.

Let's again be brutally honest here. With so much heat in the SC with respect to fixing (post Pak trio case), bookies will find other routes, thus English domestic cricket.

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by JibranAnsari As I said ''whatever you say'' . Playing with words doesn't change the fact that won us a tournament where all test playing nations + selected associates played.

Every time you play with test nations does not mean it is world cup

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by zaid65 It is obvious,... because Afridi was the captain of the match, I hope people should realized why he did not take the power play in batting at crucial moment

Tendulkar was dropped TWICE on Afridi’s bowling in SF. Was Afridi responsible for that too?

Seriously, you need to park your dislike for Afridi for a moment and educate yourself on the science behind fixing.

While a captain might be crucial in a fix, a captain is not always essential. Think Mervyn Westfield.

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by zaid65 Every time you play with test nations does not mean it is world cup

Yes there are lots of tournaments which have all the test playing nations and selected associates...

[IgnitedMind]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal Let’s be fair here navroks123. Indians found solace in the notion the SF between IND and SL in 1996 was fixed. 4 years later, Captain of India and a host of other Indian players were banned. Let's again be brutally honest here. With so much heat in the SC with respect to fixing (post Pak trio case), bookies will find other routes, thus English domestic cricket.

And WC happened after the case... the point is bookie may be saying only to lure domestic cricketers saying it also happens in intl scene.

And No,we do not find solace in India 1996 match if it was fixed...even when kambli accused many people were against him...and loosing after sachin was our trademark back then..be it 1996 SF or 1999 chennai..

[spaceshot]

Originally Posted by zaid65 It was ICC world T20 ( not world cup ), there is only one world cup of cricket. http://www.espncricinfo.com/wt202009...es/335113.html

Define world cup then ...

Seriously, this ruse was used on the day of t20 final when India won, and til a few days later.
Its high time few people should stop the childish act. Its always called as t20 WC and is logical as well.
Champions trophy is considered as equivalent to mini wc, cuz 50-50 over's WC already exists.
There is no confusion regarding T20's only WC.

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal Tendulkar was dropped TWICE on Afridi’s bowling in SF. Was Afridi responsible for that too? Seriously, you need to park your dislike for Afridi for a moment and educate yourself on the science behind fixing. While a captain might be crucial in a fix, a captain is not always essential. Think Mervyn Westfield.

Do you have an explanation for not taking power play as a captain when he came to bat?

We did not loose the game because of drop catches, the score was quite easy to chase, it was batting and poor captaincy that cost us the game.

[Saj]

Just a word of warning to the usual people besotted with Afridi v Misbah.

Don't turn every thread into Misbah v Afridi.

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by spaceshot Define world cup then ... Seriously, this ruse was used on the day of t20 final when India won, and til a few days later. Its high time few people should stop the childish act. Its always called as t20 WC and is logical as well. Champions trophy is considered as equivalent to mini wc, cuz 50-50 over's WC already exists. There is no confusion regarding T20's only WC.

If Pakistan won T20 cup does not make it into world cup, just go and read in Wikipedia about the world cup and you will find out the difference.

According to ICC, there is only one world cup of cricket and that is 50 over cup, not 20 over cup.

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by navroks123 And No,we do not find solace in India 1996 match if it was fixed...even when kambli accused many people were against him...and loosing after sachin was our trademark back then..be it 1996 SF or 1999 chennai..

You keep telling that to yourself.

Tendulkar has nothing to do with this. No one is pointing a finger at SRT in case you are worried.

Fixing 101 lesson : it takes a few players to cost a match, not all 11.

Of all the Indian Cricket fans I have spoken to, they believe the SF in 96 was fixed.

Mohammad Azharuddin’s decision to field first sealed it.

Of course at the time Indians would not entertain the notion of fixing, again, 4 years on. Indian players were banned for fixing.

Please do not pretend Indian cricket and players alike are squeaky clean.

Pakistan vs India is not just a cricket, it's politics!

[spaceshot]

Originally Posted by zaid65 If Pakistan won T20 cup does not make it into world cup, just go and read in Wikipedia about the world cup and you will find out the difference. According to ICC, there is only one world cup of cricket and that is 50 over cup, not 20 over cup.

Zaid bhaiya bhari jawani mein pagla gaye hain.
Is waqt, jo mukhtalif kisam ka attitude ye liye baithe hain, usmein inse behesbaazi karne ka matlab apna waqt aur bandwidth zaya karna hoga.


But t20 WC is wc.. whether zaid miyan gives his nod or not

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by zaid65 Do you have an explanation for not taking power play as a captain when he came to bat?

You might as well ask why Afridi didn't hit a 6 when he came into bat!

There are countless incidences of where a team does not take a PP but leaves it till the last moment. It's called Hindsight.

Originally Posted by zaid65 We did not loose the game because of drop catches, the score was quite easy to chase, it was batting and poor captaincy that cost us the game.

What kind of a cricket fan are you? Do you even understand the basics of crickets?

Repeat after me : CATCHES WIN MATCHES!

[IgnitedMind]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal You keep telling that to yourself. Tendulkar has nothing to do with this. No one is pointing a finger at SRT in case you are worried. Fixing 101 lesson : it takes a few players to cost a match, not all 11. Of all the Indian Cricket fans I have spoken to, they believe the SF in 96 was fixed. Mohammad Azharuddin’s decision to field first sealed it. Of course at the time Indians would not entertain the notion of fixing, again, 4 years on. Indian players were banned for fixing. Please do not pretend Indian cricket and players alike are squeaky clean. Pakistan vs India is not just a cricket, it's politics!

I am not, 1996 WC can be very well be fixed..not even surprised if it is. And I am not worried abt srt..was just saying loosing after srt goes from winning position was our trademark back then..and this is also one of the matches which followed the popular script. I am not saying Indians are clean..even in the recent Cairns investigation..Dinesh mongia seems to have played a crucial role..

[cricketworm]

So, all emotions during the match was fake then. Great Acting.


btw. Sun News is full of crap.

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal You might as well ask why Afridi didn't hit a 6 when he came into bat! There are countless incidences of where a team does not take a PP but leaves it till the last moment. It's called Hindsight. What kind of a cricket fan are you? Do you even understand the basics of crickets? Repeat after me : CATCHES WIN MATCHES!

Pakistan has never been a great fielding side, that was not the first time we dropped catches.

You were expecting Indian side to score 120 runs?

Care to explain to me what was the reason for not taking power play by the captain at crucial moment?

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by zaid65 Pakistan has never been a great fielding side, that was not the first time we dropped catches. You were expecting Indian side to score 120 runs? Care to explain to me what was the reason for not taking power play by the captain at crucial moment?

Your basis on calling it a crucial moment is HINDSIGHT!

Care to explain to me why you believe Afridi was in on 'it' even though SRT was dropped TWICE off Afridi's bowling? Considering catches at any stage are always deemed crucial - HINDSIGHT not necessary!

As for Pakistan never being a great fielding side, Pakistan are known to be one of the greatest bowling sides, and had SRT been caught, the match was in the bag.

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal Your basis on calling it a crucial moment is HINDSIGHT! Care to explain to me why you believe Afridi was in on 'it' even though SRT was dropped TWICE off Afridi's bowling? Considering catches at any stage are always deemed crucial - HINDSIGHT not necessary! As for Pakistan never being a great fielding side, Pakistan are known to be one of the greatest bowling sides, and had SRT been caught, the match was in the bag.

You are making an assumption if Sachin would have caught by Pakistani fielders, match would have been in the bag based on HINDSIGHT

Yes India only had one batsman Sachin and rest of the players would have scored the same amount of runs which they scored in the scorecard of the match ( based in cricinfo scorecard) , genius assumption ( no HINDSIGHT involved what so ever)

[Stuge]

Originally Posted by Sherlock For the sake of Pakistani and Indian fans I sincerely hope the game wasn't fixed. India won it fair and square, hopefully.

Even I hope that too .:pray:

[MR__KHAN__JI]

If that match was fixed... It was done at a level over afridi or any other players head!!

[freelance_cricketer]

Oye faltu mey energy waste kr rye ho tum log, let them investigate first. If something comes out fir dekhhengey. By God

Oh ye bss hawa mey teer chala rye hain, asal mey inko pata i kuch nyi : Nissar

[shahrukh619]

match fixing or spot fixing?

I just hope no one from team Pakistan is invovled in this...

[iRfaN_LA]

My guess is that the match was fixed at a higher level and some of the players were forced into fixing.

[pakistanbest]

No point speculating but their were certain points of the match that casted doubts at the time and still do.

The trio getting jailed will ensure no player fixes in England but the same cannot be said about matches in Asia.

[MVP26]

Not surpurised at all.

[Gabbar Singh]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada Obviously it was fixed! Sachin dropped 5 times Sachin LBW DRS changed Younis and Misbah tuk tuk Powerplay was not taken Hope the match is found fixed and World Cup is taken away from India.

So in your book Misbah, Younis, and Afridi are fixers?

Why do you even bother to follow Pakistani cricket any more if you feel this way?

[DeadlyVenom]

Masala news, India won pretty much fair and square. The ICC and corruption Unit should stop speculating about past games, if they were fixed we just need to get over it and stop speculating. Its time to make sure that future games can't be targeted. Looking at past games gets us nowhere.

[Saj]

Once again, cut out the rather immature naming of individual players and turning it into Player A versus Player B thread.

The most important thing is that the ICC investigate this thoroughly and either launch proceedings against those players or make their investigations and if they cannot find anything then state that the players are clear.

[cricketworm]

Originally Posted by Saj Once again, cut out the rather immature naming of individual players and turning it into Player A versus Player B thread. The most important thing is that the ICC investigate this thoroughly and either launch proceedings against those players or make their investigations and if they cannot find anything then state that the players are clear.

Can/Should players sue Sun Times then if nothing comes out?

[Saj]

Originally Posted by cricketworm Can/Should players sue Sun Times then if nothing comes out?

They havent named any players yet though have they.

[Runner Up]

Why does HOT news come right before "Crunch Match"?

[cricketworm]

Originally Posted by Saj They havent named any players yet though have they.

And they won't either! Sun times has history of this kind of crap and they are just continuing legacy of NOTW.

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI If that match was fixed... It was done at a level over afridi or any other players head!!

Amen.

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by cricketworm And they won't either! Sun times has history of this kind of crap and they are just continuing legacy of NOTW.

Sunday Times isn't your NDTV, Hundustani Times et al. Sunday Times is more reputable and professional than Indian media can ever imagine to be.

You're just freaking out cause India are, once again, in the frame.

PS: Learn the difference between Broadsheet and Tabloid.

[iafzal]

Yea Pakistanis are involved per this statement in the article, as we know they are the main stay at the IPL...


Another bookmaker claimed that he had worked with players from most of the main cricketing nations to fix games, but that he had turned down the chance to work with New Zealand players because it was not worthwhile with more lucrative match-fixing opportunities on offer in the IPL. "I was invited to strike a deal with some New Zealanders but I didn't go," he said. "The IPL starts on April 4; then everyone will be doing it."

[cricketworm]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal Sunday Times isn't your NDTV, Hundustani Times et al. Sunday Times is more reputable and professional than Indian media can ever imagine to be. You're just freaking out cause India are, once again, in the frame. PS: Learn the difference between Broadsheet and Tabloid.

Oh Shut up! I hate cricket media overall.