IRAN !!! Everything about It

[Qelic]

@saeedhk ..... Thanks for appreciation !!! keep visiting the thread for more






Old people in Urban Iran sit in Parks in eve with Chess boards ... like challenging anyone walking by

[Qelic]

Wind turbines , Manjil - Gilan


Solar Panels in Ghazvin .... Every village of Iran is right now being given Solar panels

Solar Street Light in Esfahan


Wind Power turbine manufacture plant in Khorramshahr

[Qelic]

Wind Power turbine installation








Solar energy plant in Shiraz , Biggest in Middle East and Central Asia ..... Iran will be producing additional 5000 MW from renewable sources in 2015

[Qelic]

More wind turbines being installed in Tabriz




More pics from Shiraz Solar Energy Plant

[Bashira_taeli]

Not good enough....Iran needs to be liberated.

[Qelic]

^ just like rest of liberated region ... but hey we r so evil that even sanctions and drones do not work against us

[Gattuso]

Some of those locations/apartments are scenic and quite stunning !

[Qelic]

Thanks Gattuso .... Keep on checking the thread for pics....i m little busy these days though

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Little glimpse of Iran aviation industry

HESA 90-01 MP .... Maritime Petrol Aircraft


FLIR Infrared Thermal Imager

Construction at HESA HQ


Production of Electroptial EO , Laser Designators LD , Thermal Imagine IR devices by IEI


SAHA Toloue 4 Turbojet ... used on Cruise Missiles of Iran and Karrar UCAV drone


Reverse Engineered AH-1 Cobra



Assembly line

[mithun_minhas]

One good thing going for Iran is that they do not have the huge population menace that cripple countries like India, Pak, Bangladesh.

Iran is a huge country and very less population. In fact, Uttar Pradesh after breaking into 3 pieces still has more people than Iran

Iran looks beautiful. Beautiful Women, Beautiful Country and Beautiful Infrastructure.

I still do not support the Islamic Fundamentalists sitting in the driving seat there. They are always like a ticking time bomb. Not good in the long run.

Nevertheless, Great Pics by Qelic.

[Qelic]

Thanks !

I think standing at around 70-80 Million ppl we r fine globally ... but as u said , considering the large area of Iran , its less ... Mass Migrations and Diaspora , Wars , Losing lands (18th -19th century ) all contribute to that ... The current Iranian State doesnt represent the whole Iranian population .

as for govt. ... its not an easy thing to understand ... so agree to disagree ..


and keep visiting the thread ...

[Qelic]

Some random pics related to industry ....

Irani cars in Russia



Some Iran Khodro Output





Surface to air missile ( Manpad Misagh Production )



Noor cruise Missile ...


APC Sarir ... ugly



Bull pup Assault rifle Khybar KH2002 ...


Iran arak , one of the local made cargo liners ...

[Qelic]

Water channel "Wave" laboratory ... Largest in whole Middle east and Central Asia ... 150 + m long and 8 m wide

( Recently inaugurated )

[Qelic]

IRICO Wagon production facilities






Iran runner ... reverse engineered copy of eurorunner


Guys resembles Misbah Ul haq ...


Pars wagon production facility

[Gattuso]

What is the general perception of Ahmedinejad in Iran ? Majority love him ?
He seems like a nice guy leading a humble life quite unlike the politicians in our country.
{ Ignoring the Israel rhetoric of wiping it off from the map..**

[LethalSami]

Sanctions might be a blessing in disguise for Iran..

really..... they have the resources (energy and educated folx)

thats y sanctions ain't working against Iran as the West wanted em to

[Qelic]

Safire Omid Satellite launching vehicle "SLV"



Omid telecommunication Satellite



launched .... proud moment for every scientist involved in the project ... I am sure had not we sanctioned , embargoed , none of this would have happened ...

[Qelic]

Originally Posted by Gattuso What is the general perception of Ahmedinejad in Iran ? Majority love him ? He seems like a nice guy leading a humble life quite unlike the politicians in our country. { Ignoring the Israel rhetoric of wiping it off from the map..**

Politics in iran is not abt faces .... its abt system ... Ahamadinejad is just a face who came , served the system or ideology he believed in and he is going back to his old professor job in few months ... he will be replaced by someone .. representing same system that Ahamadinejad Served ... so ppl dont support or oppose individuals ... There are Conservatives , neoconservatives ( ICP , ISE ) , Reformers & Democrats ( DCR , Greens , NTP ,) , Socialists (Labor Coalition) , Progressive populists ... ppl vote on basis of the ideology . I have seen a very wrong practice in pakistan that ppl support faces that too in name of ethnicity , caste system , area or even social standing ... nobody cares for the what ideology they r gonna vote for ...

Iranian Model is a very complex ideology itself .... It is a mix of theocracy , ultra nationalism , neo conservatism and even leftist tendencies ( political only ) ... all started with 1953 28 Mordad coup / Mosadegh crisis that laid the foundations ... funny that most ppl do not even know that first Anti shah slogan came from Secular , leftist camp and post revolution anti US rhetoric , kidnapping of US Embassy , hostages etc all were done by them .... anyways ...

As for ahamadinejad himself .... He was loved as the selfless mayor of tehran before becoming the Jingoist president he is today ... never had the political support in urban areas after he joined the Abadgarans in mid early 2000s ... he lost ground again recently courtesy his relation and friendship with then Vice president Esfandyar Mashaei ( a shady character ) ..... This tension put Ahamadi in direct confrontation with Shura , IRGC and Khamanei himself .... All of it weakened Ahmadinejad's position and space was filled by larijani , Adel haddad etc ... His own support group failed in recent parliamentary elections ... I dont think he even would take part in politics after leaving the office ...

and u r correct , he lives life of a common man ... i will post stuff abt him ... pics from his life .. but majority politicians of iran are like him ... most of the current group has military backgrounds .... they live simple and among common ppl but r jingos ... very much like mid era Soviet politicians ...

Originally Posted by LethalSami Sanctions might be a blessing in disguise for Iran.. really..... they have the resources (energy and educated folx) thats y sanctions ain't working against Iran as the West wanted em to

yeah ... sanctions only work upon dependent countries ... by dependent i mean , in terms of national resources , politics , industry etc .... for rational regimes like iran its different ... sanctions will stay there for 5-6 years max ... but it will make iran stronger because regime is not backing off ... they r coming with physical responses ... projects , progress , mobilizations etc ... so when sanctions will be gone or let say regime itsellf changes face in next 5 years let say ( it has evolved with time and is still evolving ) ... Iran would have the platform for everything ...

as for now , iran needs sanctions for atleast 4-5 years more ... the projects that govt. opened 2-3 years ago need to be completed under strict authority of govt. .....

[Alam_dar]

Originally Posted by Qelic Two questions : how are the "Iranic" populations of Pakistan (namely the Pashtuns and the Baloch) perceived by the "average" Persian ? Is there a sense of belonging to a same group of peoples ? First of all What is an Average Persian ? ... Persian is an ethnicity that merely represents 30 % of Iran ( by blood ) ... Language wise , around 45 % of Iranians claim Persian language as their mother tongue , well that includes those non Persian iranians who settled in Persian areas centuries ago ... If you are asking abt how that 30 % thinks of Balush or Pashtun then its illogical ... however There is alot of sentiment in Sistan and balush astaan for balush of pakistan .... Similarly Khorsanis have sympathies for Tajiks , hazaras , Uzbeghs of Afghanistan .... Most of such sentiments rose after civil war in Afghanistan and ethnic violence started in Pakistan ... Iranian Govt. used those excuses pretty well to stir up sense of nationalism in Iran ... Today nationalist minded Iranians feel responsible for Shiites and Iranic ethncities of whole world ... very similar to How israelis feel for jews all over the world ... like they r the saviors for everyone of their kind . Whole Ideology of Todays iranian Govt. is to project power and influence outside Iran and they use Shiaism where it suits and Iranic nationalism where it works ... Well at-least the suppressed ppl outside iran have someone to look to ... From outside its something else but inside its another thing ... Nobody in Iran can claim to be persian or turk or mongol , kord alone ... Every one has some part of this and that ... My mother is Persian , father is non iranian turk , his mother ( my grandmother ) was some other kind and religion from outside Iran , My wife is of another race ... Though I in particular may be too odd , but most of the iranians in urban areas have these kind of mixings .... The people you are talking abt r mostly western settled critics ... mostly Secular ... remark of persian Zoroastrian identity is very illogical ... u seem to be misinformed by the western born cyber soldiers of Cyrus the great who were informed by thier parents one night that they actually r from iran ... ... for last 1000 years Iran has always been ruled by Turks ... Seljuk , Timurid , Khawarzimi , Saffavid , Qajari etc all were turk dynasties . Even The Pahlavis had ayrum turk roots ( they hid it well during their rule )... In todays iran ... Syed Ali Khamanei is turk , Shariatmadari was turk , Mir husain Musavi is turk , Syed Ali jafari ( IRGC commander ) is turk , DF is khorsani turk , FM is arab , Possible Next president is Caucasian Taylushi ... hell even I am a Mix of 5-6 ethncities ... The Islamic govt. after revolution was cristcised heavily by Abroad settled minority when Turk , Kord , Kafkaasi , Lur , Armini , Aceri iranians migrated in masses to Tehran and Esfahan , Shiraz etc ... I dont blame them , Reza Shah pahlavi tried to revive the Parsi identity of Iran so badly that ppl born in his times esp in last 2 decades of pahlavi rule were deluded by Persian Supremacy theory that Pahlavi govt. was propagating , ironically Neither Shah nor his turk wife were Persians ... When some of these secular minded and pahlavi fed ppl ran from iran after revolution they started criticizing the govt. because the new and more practical govt. put a ban to those delusional theories that these ppl used to fancy ... and to be honest in todays iran nobody cares actually ....

Thanks for clearing this up.

I feel you Truthfully answered the questions (political or religious or history).

[Alam_dar]

Qelic,
Please also tell us about yourself.
How come you have so much command upon PAKISTANI Politics?
Do you also know Urdu Language?

[Alam_dar]

Iranian Dishes (Khana)
Many people from my family visited Iran.

All of them are unanimous that Iranian eat the SIMPLEST things in whole region. (Normally my relatives make complete tour of Iran, Iraq, and Syria).

We Pakistanies need Shorba (Gravy) and many many spices .... but you will see Iranians eating only Dry Bread too, or bread with little cheese.

There also kababs in Iran, but they are not so much Chatooray like we Pakistanies.

There are also other dishes in Iran, but they are not so much spicy but relatively healthy.

That is why Iran got strong people like Hussain Rezazadeh (Qalif should post his phots or better Videos). During the competition, I heard a British commentator who was praising Rezazadeh so much that I was surprised.

[Qelic]

Originally Posted by Alam_dar Thanks for clearing this up. I feel you Truthfully answered the questions (political or religious or history).

Thanks ....

Originally Posted by Alam_dar Qelic, Please also tell us about yourself. How come you have so much command upon PAKISTANI Politics? Do you also know Urdu Language?

... i know the place very well ...

fan of pak cricket team .... though my majority favorite players are retired now ...

Originally Posted by Alam_dar [B][SIZE="4"]you will see Iranians eating only Dry Bread too, or bread with little cheese.

nan o paneer ..... sobhaneh ... (bread and cheese breakfast) ....




... and rezazadeh do deserve a place in this thread ...

[Qelic]

IRGC set up Carbon Fiber Plant ( recently inaugurated ) .... Iran could not import it due to sanctions before ... now Iran is one of the dozen countries in the whole world to produce Precision carbon Fiber .... due to an expanding Space program , aviation industry and automotive industry etc Iran needed local production anyways ... not to mention export opportunities in future ...

[Qelic]

Some pics from National Space Conference

Simorgh SLV


Satellites (left to right) .... Navid , Toloue , Mesbah 2 ... Navid is already launched months ago as Navide Elmo Sanat Imaging satellite on Safir II SLV ( pics can be found on previous page ) ... Mesbah 2 launch is due in july ...


Navid ....


Satellite design from Khawaja Nasir Toosi Unversity ....



Omid Satellite ( already launched ) ...


Mock up of Kavoshgar SLV BioLoad that were used to launch Animals into space ... so far Turtles , worms , monkeys have been launch ... though Monkeys died , they will be launch again later this year .

[the Great Khan]

great stuff again janaab. could you tell me what

health care
education is like in Iran? what is your national curriculum like? etc..

[Aly]

Qelic I believe that you live in Pakistan (like many of the iranian families who are enjoying the comparatively free lifestyle here since decades) why are you feeling shy to accept it ?

I even believe that you're 2nd, 3rd generation irani living in Pakistan who are as Pakistani as they come.

Come on man, just that flag gives away all your secrets, Accept it now !

[HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR]

Originally Posted by Aly Qelic I believe that you live in Pakistan (like many of the iranian families who are enjoying the comparatively free lifestyle here since decades) why are you feeling shy to accept it ? I even believe that you're 2nd, 3rd generation irani living in Pakistan who are as Pakistani as they come. Come on man, just that flag gives away all your secrets, Accept it now !

is he irani??

i thought he lives in iran and is pakistani

[Aly]

Originally Posted by HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR is he irani?? i thought he lives in iran and is pakistani

Most probably settled in Pakistan with his loyalties/fascination/ chauvinism still inclined heavily towards Iran.

Like any U.S/U.K desi !

Btw where did you get this impression that he is a pakistani settled in Iran?..Did he mention it anywhere in the thread ?(haven't gone through all the posts in the thread...just basing the judgement on my gut feeling )

[saadibaba]

I apologize in advance if I sound rude here but this thread has to be one of the most hyper-patritotic and ego-massaging threads I have ever come acoss on PP. I appreciate the enthusiasm and love Qelic has for his home country but do we really need to see pictures of every single factory, hotel, buliding, park, etc. I think we get the point, Iran is a great country with a rich culture and is quite developed and independent. I just do not see the point of this picture show which is now on its 5th page. I hope PP servers are able to sustain this thread which is turning into a collection of every single picture available on Iran.

My sincere advice to Qelic will be to turn this thread into more of a discussion thread with specific topics being discussed one at a time.

[HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR]

Originally Posted by Aly Btw where did you get this impression that he is a pakistani settled in Iran?..Did he mention it anywhere in the thread ?(haven't gone through all the posts in the thread...just basing the judgement on my gut feeling )

because i know pakistani people living in iran

but i didnt know there are iranis in pakistan

[HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR]

Originally Posted by saadibaba I apologize in advance if I sound rude here but this thread has to be one of the most hyper-patritotic and ego-massaging threads I have ever come acoss on PP. I appreciate the enthusiasm and love Qelic has for his home country but do we really need to see pictures of every single factory, hotel, buliding, park, etc. I think we get the point, Iran is a great country with a rich culture and is quite developed and independent. I just do not see the point of this picture show which is now on its 5th page. I hope PP servers are able to sustain this thread which is turning into a collection of every single picture available on Iran. My sincere advice to Qelic will be to turn this thread into more of a discussion thread with specific topics being discussed one at a time.

maybe qelic can prove important to popularise cricket in iran

[Aly]

Originally Posted by saadibaba I apologize in advance if I sound rude here but this thread has to be one of the most hyper-patritotic and ego-massaging threads I have ever come acoss on PP. I appreciate the enthusiasm and love Qelic has for his home country but do we really need to see pictures of every single factory, hotel, buliding, park, etc. I think we get the point, Iran is a great country with a rich culture and is quite developed and independent. I just do not see the point of this picture show which is now on its 5th page. I hope PP servers are able to sustain this thread which is turning into a collection of every single picture available on Iran. My sincere advice to Qelic will be to turn this thread into more of a discussion thread with specific topics being discussed one at a time.

chill out mate. Itni talkhi aur bayrukhi bhi achi nahi. If a guy finds a Pakistani forum/ people important enough to show/tell them about the positive picture of his country then what's the harm in it?

Also you should understand the exceptional case of Iran as well. Generally they are so isolated and negatively portrayed in the media that (I don't know about you but) if it weren't for these images I would've always considered them like some moderately educated yet rich state of gulf who are just dependent on oil/ foreigners for the development in their country. (As many of the posters have already mentioned & which is so not the case )

& Btw if you're still hell bent on getting this thread removed then let me tell you that a similar sort of thread also exists on Karachi

[Aly]

Originally Posted by HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR because i know pakistani people living in iran but i didnt know there are iranis in pakistan

get out of here . They've been living here since ages (many of them in karachi/ quetta). Btw I live in Faisalabad and even here there are many Irani families which I know of (& btw they're not even shia muslims..In fact they are Zoroastrian, the guys who worship fire and stuff )

hell, where do you think all these parsis came from in India and Pak

Btw, I doubt it if the number of Pakistanis living permanently in Iran (not that illegal lot) is significant enough, is it?

[HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR]

Originally Posted by Aly get out of here . They've been living here since ages (many of them in karachi/ quetta). Btw I live in Faisalabad and even here there are many Irani families which I know of (& btw they're not even shia muslims..In fact they are Zoroastrian, the guys who worship fire and stuff ) hell, where do you think all these parsis came from in India and Pak Btw, I doubt it if the number of Pakistanis living permanently in Iran (not that illegal lot) is significant enough, is it?

bhai they are parsi log, and they are living here for hundreds or maybe thousands of years so not third generation but many generations

lots of pakistani shias also have iranian brotherhood so maybe he is shia

[mithun_minhas]

Originally Posted by Aly get out of here . They've been living here since ages (many of them in karachi/ quetta). Btw I live in Faisalabad and even here there are many Irani families which I know of (& btw they're not even shia muslims..In fact they are Zoroastrian, the guys who worship fire and stuff ) hell, where do you think all these parsis came from in India and Pak Btw, I doubt it if the number of Pakistanis living permanently in Iran (not that illegal lot) is significant enough, is it?

There are lots of Parsi people in India in cities like Mumbai/Delhi/Ahmedabad etc.

They ran away from Iran centuries ago when Islam arrived there.

Most of them can trace their roots to Iran. But some of them seem to have mixed with Indians. They worship fire and some of their Fire rituals look like Hindu Fire Ritual (Yagna).

[Aly]

Originally Posted by HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR bhai they are parsi log, and they are living here for hundreds or maybe thousands of years so not third generation but many generations lots of pakistani shias also have iranian brotherhood so maybe he is shia

I know who Parsis are. They are just one particular sect of Zoroastrianism. The ones I am talking about are different from the mainstream parsis.
Btw another difference is that while Parsis speak gujrati, these guys speak pure farsi.

Also there are so many Hazara kind of looking shias living in karachi and quetta who actually migrated from Iran. The guys with changayzie et al surnames

[Thees_Mar_Khan]

It will be interesting to know how Sunni Muslims are treated in Iran. Do they enjoy the same freedom as Shias in Pakistan to practice religion?

[Aly]

Originally Posted by Thees_Mar_Khan It will be interesting to know how Sunni Muslims are treated in Iran. Do they enjoy the same freedom as Shias in Pakistan to practice religion?

1- they are a very small minority

2-I was watching a documentary in which they said that they do have to carry out their religious rituals in a certain way which has already been chalked out for them.

[HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR]

Originally Posted by Aly 1- they are a very small minority 2-I was watching a documentary in which they said that they do have to carry out their religious rituals in a certain way which has already been chalked out for them.

like what??

[saadibaba]

Originally Posted by Aly chill out mate. Itni talkhi aur bayrukhi bhi achi nahi. If a guy finds a Pakistani forum/ people important enough to show/tell them about the positive picture of his country then what's the harm in it? Also you should understand the exceptional case of Iran as well. Generally they are so isolated and negatively portrayed in the media that (I don't know about you but) if it weren't for these images I would've always considered them like some moderately educated yet rich state of gulf who are just dependent on oil/ foreigners for the development in their country. (As many of the posters have already mentioned & which is so not the case ) & Btw if you're still hell bent on getting this thread removed then let me tell you that a similar sort of thread also exists on Karachi

Im chill. Just thought I express some opinions I had of this thread, it is an open forum. I don't want this thread to be removed, not sure from where you got that. I do appreciate Iran's progress and development but I feel that point has been made and now all these images seem redundant to me, unless someone just want them here so they can make a collection. To be honest, not sure what the big deal is all about. I always thought of Iran as a developed country. As far as thread on Karachi goes, not sure if its this long and has this many pics, but if it does than that needs to be checked too.

[Aly]

Originally Posted by HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR like what??

The Persecution of Sunnis in Iran and Who Would They Vote for?

There are various types of persecution practiced against Sunnis, the most continuous and severe of which is the one arising from the theory upon which the Iranian political system is based. Those who do not believe in the Guardianship of the Jurist theory are not allowed to assume any political or governmental position or to be part of the intellectual elite in Iran.

And since the Guardianship of the Jurist theory is a product Shiite thought, it is unlikely that any Sunni embraces it. As a result, since the Islamic Revolution, there has been an obstacle in the way of the integration of the Sunni minority in the Iranian society.

Such political persecution is stated explicitly in the constitution of the Islamic Republic, which states that the president must be a Shiite Iranian who believes in the Guardianship of the Jurist theory. Consequently, throughout the past 30 years, Iran has witnessed neither a Sunni candidate running for president, nor a single Sunni minister. Moreover, no Sunni has been appointed as a governor of any of the governorates with Sunni majorities.

Thus, the persecution of Sunnis in Iran has been associated with the articles of the constitution.

The persecution of the Sunni minority in Iran can be found at the heart of Shiite rituals; Sunnis are weekly humiliated during what is known as Shiite prayers that are recited in collective rituals. These prayers contain curses of both contemporary and ancient Sunnis. Such explicit expression of hatred has put the Sunni minority in Iran in an inferior status.

Sunnis constitute around 20 percent of Iran’s 70 million residents, and they belong to different ethnic groups, such as Kurds, Balushis, Turkemans, Arabs, and Talishis.

Iran’s Sunni minority has faced systematic oppression; its leaders, such Ahmed Mufti Zadeh and Sheikh Ali Dahwary, were jailed and assassinated. Also, the authorities have demolished a number of Sunni mosques as a form of collective punishment.

Sunni religious schools do not receive an official recognition, local TV stations in governorates with Sunni majorities are forced to air Shiite missionary programs, and Sunni azan (call for prayer) is not allowed to be made.

The abovementioned facts about the persecution of the Sunni minority in Iran is a systematic process that has been going on since the establishment of the Islamic Republic, but still it can be understood in the Middle Eastern context, in which most majorities oppress minorities.

However, the question that poses itself now is about the increasing importance of the Sunni vote in Iran.



Mehdi Karroubi’s attempts to appeal to Sunni voters have urged other candidates to follow the same path. Mirhossein Mousavi visited the Kurdish city of Mahabad, declaring that the first thing he would do if elected is proposing a bill to the parliament to increase the powers of local councils.

Yet, what distinguishes Mousavi from Karoubi is that the former makes only the promises he can make. All the pledges Iran’s former prime minister has made are part of his general electoral program, such as the public housing project and eliminating corruption.

Significantly, Mousavi has undertaken to build the first big mosque for Iranian Sunnis, who make the Friday prayer in foreign embassies.

After visiting Mahabad, he went to Sistan and met with Molavi Abdul-Hamid, who has become a magnet for presidential candidates who aspire to Sunni votes. Since Mousavi’s visit, rumors haven going around about Abdul-Hamid abandoning Karroubi and supporting Mousavi in the upcoming election.

It is totally improbable that Sunnis vote for Ahmadinejad, who started his tenure with a sense of bitterment about their support for his competitors. And his intelligence background has dominated his approach towards them; under Ahmadinejad, oppression against the Sunnis of Baluchistan heightened.

After Karroubi and Mousavi’s visits to Sunni areas, Mujtabi Thamara Hashemi, head of Ahmadinejad’s electoral committee, went to Zahedan to meet with Abdul-Hamid, who refused to see him at the beginning. After the meeting, Molavi announced that he would not support Ahmadinejad.

Ahmadinejad has failed at appeasing Sunnis during his last year in office by creating the position of the Advisor for Sunni Affairs because it was too late already to contain the Sunni anger against him.

On the other hand, Mohsen Rezaei has not made any effort whatsoever to attract Sunni voters because he knows that this would be wasted effort; it is illogical that Sunnis vote for him after what they experienced with a former Revolutionary Guards officer.

Thus, most of the Sunni votes in Iran will go to Mirhossein Mousavi and a small portion of them will go to Karroubi. And if a second round is held between Karroubi and another Conservative candidate, they will vote for Karroubi.

All in all, Sunnis in Iran have managed to pass the weakness period they have lived for 30 years, and they have come to have their civil society organizations that are politically active. Despite all the constraints, Sunni voters have become able to unify their stance, forming an electoral weight that cannot be ignored. Molavi Abdul-Hamid has become a significant leader of the Iranian Sunni minority, who is capable of striking a balance between the different candidates in Iran’s upcoming election.

[Qelic]

Originally Posted by the Great Khan great stuff again janaab. could you tell me what health care education is like in Iran? what is your national curriculum like? etc..

health ministry was run by idiots during khatami times , the % GDP they used to spend on health sector was same as being spent now ... only difference is the better planning & management and decentralized policy of distributing funds ... khatami administration dint know a bit of anything outside big urban centers ...

things are improving at fast pace now , Govt. is spending heavily in health care sector while this area is equally lucrative for private investors , Medical schools and Hospitals are being created everywhere ... if i m not mistaken , universities r getting special grants to increase the no. of seats , there are over 1 million medical or related students in iran with a big % of females ... there are around 400 medical or medical related research centers in iran ... Tehran University of medical sciences itself has some close to 40 ... Iran currently stands at 19th in global medical research output , in next 10 years it will break in top 10 with major research output is in fields like hematology, bone marrow transplantation etc , a french survey reported that Iran medical research publication and output was increased by some 350% in over 2 decades ... Shariati centre Tehran is a globally famous bone marrow transplantation .. There are similar transplantation centers in shiraz , Esfahan and tabriz .... few years back a report was published on stats of transplantation surgeries in Iran , i can not find it now otherwise wiki page uses its data ... as soon as i find it , i will post it here ....

75-80 % population has health care coverage now , compared to 30-40 % in 1980s , there are free vaccination programs ( mobile medical teams knock ur doors in middle of the day )... in just last 10 years life expectancy has increased by 2 years ... I wish , current setup goes on like that ... we still need to expand this area to edges of iran ... ministry is trying to implement national medical database covering entire populations medical history . Problem is that current minister Dr. marzieh will go soon , we dont know what new admin would do , i hope not someone like khatamis idiots....

education is a broader topic to discuss ... planning to write something on it separately ...

Originally Posted by Aly Qelic I believe that you live in Pakistan (like many of the iranian families who are enjoying the comparatively free lifestyle here since decades) why are you feeling shy to accept it ? I m not some iranian spy that i have to hide myself ... i guess u r new hew here otherwise most of the old members know me pretty well including my name ... reason i dont want to write abt myself is that it will be hell boring , esp to those who already know alot abt me ... secondly , it doesnt suit me professionally since u and another gentleman above have raised the issue .... so here we go once again for the 100th time .... I work in pak ... a teacher , currently doing my PhD research , thats one big reason i cant leave pakistan completely , i think i posted a whole thread abt it once ... karachi , quetta are my spots when i m in pak ... and Hyderabad . I have even taught a semester in Punjab (i posted a thread abt that too ) ... other main reason i have to spend time in pakistan ... my maternal family members one after each other since mid 1970s have been coming to Pakistan ( and leaving regularly) , reason is that we have property in Pakistan , alot of land including Agricultural ... we keep physical presence in pakistan considering its size and worth and will keep on doing it until …. Issue is resolved … ... since "when" and "how" do we have this much property in pak is another story which i cant share on internet , sorry ... anyways , before me , my uncles were here , one of them attended pakistan naval academy , another attended Pakistan air force CAE , they were not alone btw iran was not this developed before so alot of iranians were sent or came to pakistan for education and military training in 1970s-80s ... i was born in iran .... first came to pak as a mid-late teenager , got my education , job , everything in pak ... and as soon as this PhD is over , I m going back to from where i came from , leaving Pakistan completely , considering that my future is not in Pak ... not to mention that I come from a very weird family of my own ... my father is non iranian ...so I m only half … I was born in iran during very depressed times so I feel connected to it more than my father’s very secular country ... Also , my knowledge regarding Pakistan is way more than most Pakistanis themselves considering how much effort I had to put in adjusting into the place , dealing with ppl and traveling during my time in pak ... I even believe that you're 2nd, 3rd generation irani living in Pakistan who are as Pakistani as they come. i am afraid i cant help u with that .... u can believe what u suits u ... its internet … u can believe i am actually from nepal , i can believe u r from somalia , 3rd guy would believe something else and it will go on and on .... mere wastage of time which i cant afford . Come on man, just that flag gives away all your secrets, Accept it now ! iranian flag appears too small to even recognize , i kept it for a long period of time , days when i used to argue here alot lol .... besides whats the point in keeping an iranian flag on a Pakistani Sports forum ??? ... esp when i myself am a big fan of pak cricket team ...

Originally Posted by saadibaba I apologize in advance if I sound rude here but this thread has to be one of the most hyper-patritotic and ego-massaging threads I have ever come acoss on PP. I appreciate the enthusiasm and love Qelic has for his home country but do we really need to see pictures of every single factory, hotel, buliding, park, etc. I think we get the point, Iran is a great country with a rich culture and is quite developed and independent. I just do not see the point of this picture show which is now on its 5th page. I hope PP servers are able to sustain this thread which is turning into a collection of every single picture available on Iran. My sincere advice to Qelic will be to turn this thread into more of a discussion thread with specific topics being discussed one at a time.

best advise i have for u is that u shud complain to Mods ... lets see what they come up with ...

Originally Posted by HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR maybe qelic can prove important to popularise cricket in iran

Iranian national cricket team captain is a Pakistani University graduate ... Iranian cricket board employs Indian , Pakistani , English cricket coaches ...

Originally Posted by Aly chill out mate. Itni talkhi aur bayrukhi bhi achi nahi. If a guy finds a Pakistani forum/ people important enough to show/tell them about the positive picture of his country then what's the harm in it? Also you should understand the exceptional case of Iran as well. Generally they are so isolated and negatively portrayed in the media that (I don't know about you but) if it weren't for these images I would've always considered them like some moderately educated yet rich state of gulf who are just dependent on oil/ foreigners for the development in their country. (As many of the posters have already mentioned & which is so not the case ) & Btw if you're still hell bent on getting this thread removed then let me tell you that a similar sort of thread also exists on Karachi

good point !

... btw karachi thread is excellent , there was another one abt lahor , Now we have iran thread .... to me its all good considering that most of the of members on PP are western based and havnt been to this side of world ... i dont see any harm ...

Originally Posted by HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR lots of pakistani shias also have iranian brotherhood so maybe he is shia

I am not a shia considering that i follow hanafism ( u have to follow one way anyway ) ... though none of that shia sunni crap matters to me , u can call me shia or sunni both cause to me it means nothing , Prophet SAW was none of the two ... sectarian ppl are filthy parasites esp common ppl who practice it ... sectarianism at govt. level is a political tool so thats another issue ...

[Qelic]

i request everyone to please do not start the shia-sunni thing in this thread ... I made it quite clear in the OP ... this thread is not for sectarianism .

[the Great Khan]

Originally Posted by saadibaba I apologize in advance if I sound rude here but this thread has to be one of the most hyper-patritotic and ego-massaging threads I have ever come acoss on PP. I appreciate the enthusiasm and love Qelic has for his home country but do we really need to see pictures of every single factory, hotel, buliding, park, etc. I think we get the point, Iran is a great country with a rich culture and is quite developed and independent. I just do not see the point of this picture show which is now on its 5th page. I hope PP servers are able to sustain this thread which is turning into a collection of every single picture available on Iran. My sincere advice to Qelic will be to turn this thread into more of a discussion thread with specific topics being discussed one at a time.

if you thinkas above what are you doing here? dont post here and you wont feel as you do above. I find your lack of tolerance disturbing but not surprising!

[Alam_dar]

Iran and Pakistan are neighbors.

But , I find Pakistan and Iran does not have such Big relations as there should have been and they are not close to each other as they should have been.

Culturally we are closer to India than Iran. People of both sides don't know much about each other, don't know about the Cinema or Dramas of each other, don't know how marriage ceremonies take place in both countries.

I also believe, Iranian people know much more about Indian culture than Pakistani one due to the Indian Movies.

[Alam_dar]

Education needs a new post from Qelic.
But also tell us if it is possible for Pakistani Students of Science and Medical to get Education in Iranian Universities along with monthly WAZIFA?

How expensive is living in Iran`?

[Qelic]

My apologies for the late reply ... I am very busy these days ... wont be able to post anything soon .

Originally Posted by Alam_dar Iran and Pakistan are neighbors. But , I find Pakistan and Iran does not have such Big relations as there should have been and they are not close to each other as they should have been. "Islamic republic" of Iran and Pakistan cant have good relations ... iran is an anti west shiite theocracy ... pakistan is heavily influenced by west and anti shiite arab sheikhdoms ... its quite logical to understand that there cant be good relations ... however in recent years after pakistan has grown closer to iran a little , pakistan is buying electricity , HC , from iran .... 170 million ppl means alot of opportunities for iran in pakistan .... small level cooperation do exist also in education e.g. i can tell u abt a certain Science & tech. Project Besharat involving ISA of Iran and Suparco of pak ... things will remain same for at-least 5-6 years more unless situation in ME and CA stabilizes ... problem everyone has with iran is that iranian intentions are never clear even for some of their own allies , recent example is Assad of suriye ... anyways for starters Pakistan can ask iran to end support and supply for certain groups in balushstan and recently in Sindh where UK and Iran both have some common interests .... Iran can ask pak in return to take actions against Arabi backed sectarian groups based in pakistan .... but thats just talk i dont think anything will change soon ... as soon as US leaves afghanistan , Arabs vs Iran clash would start again like 1980s dividing the whole region .... but this time things r at 180 degree contrast to what iran was in 1980s ... and btw , iran and pak are not just neighbors , pakistani state propagated nationalism has its big part based or driven from the idea of Muslim invasions and rule over india ... all those warlords coming from iranic lands r considered heroes in Pakistan , be it Nader shah , Mahmud of Ghazni , Zaher al din babur or even great man Emir Teymur ... relations between iran and pak might not be superb but they never have been bad either ... even during toughest times ... Culturally we are closer to India than Iran. thats a very wrong perception ... half of pakistan , its western side is ethnically and and linguistically iranic , pashto and balush both r iranic languages so r the ethnicities ... thick % of muhajer ppl are also very close to urban Persian culture ... In my opinion pakistan is a divide between indic and iranic culture I also believe, Iranian people know much more about Indian culture than Pakistani one due to the Indian Movies. ????

Originally Posted by Alam_dar Education needs a new post from Qelic. But also tell us if it is possible for Pakistani Students of Science and Medical to get Education in Iranian Universities along with monthly WAZIFA? How expensive is living in Iran`?

there are many pakistani and indian students in iran ... Mashad , Tehran , Qom , Esfahan ... Tehran medical university , Sharif institute , Khawaja Naseer toosi , Amirkabir , University of Tehran , Shahid Beheshti , Malek Ashter ( top engineering universities of iran ) etc etc all have foreign students seats ... u will find many pakistani balush and hazara students in zahedan university , similarly many religious pakistani students in mashad , qom ... nationalities of some foreign students in iran can really shock and surprise the outside world .....

.... irans ministries of science and health offer scholarships for foreign students annually , forms are available at iranian embassy and consulate general office ..... the admissions start at the start of odd semester each year .... Ur application would be sent to scholarship council for assessment ... scholarships start from 120 $ minimum to 1700 $ max (health coverage , accommodation for family if married) for different stages and cases ......




Ppl in iran predict that Iran would be the regional educational hub in next 10 years considering the Research output and science & tech growth it has achieved in last decade ... in contrast there exists another opinion that because iranian engineering universities r heavily taking part in national defense projects and R&D ... so the influx of foreign students will be tightened a little ... age limit of 30 years has now been imposed for PhD i think which is pretty ridiculous in my eyes ...

expenses depends upon what kind of life u want in iran and more importantly where ? ... Tehran is most expensive in iran which is quite understandable ... for a single person, student .... 1500 $ a month is enough ... major expense is rent for accommodation (500-800 $ for a single person in mid class areas) depending upon how far u live from central , bigger apartment for single person can cost around 1200 $ a month ... then there are many complex issues in finding residence on ur own ... not many landowners will accept the tenant without the safety deposit called "rahan" ... which is usually taken as 1/10 of overall estimated worth of property portion u r gonna occupy ... otherwise that amount is compensated in the monthly rent payments ... accommodation is expensive in iran and esp tehran in comparison to transport ( metro and buses) , food , electricity etc which are all very cheap , all combined , they wont exceed 400 $ a month for a single person ...i m only talking abt expenses for a common visitor , not Students ... they their hostels and residential blocks near and inside universities just like everywhere in the world ...

[Alam_dar]

Thanks a lot brother. You are really knowledgeable about Iran.

The cost of living is too much in Iran. I have not imagined it to be so high. It is almost equal to Europe.

In Pakistan, students are living much much cheaply.

Secondly, Iran should also open some universities in English Language too. Even European Universities are not offering a lot of courses in English languages, specially the scientific ones.

If Iran has English universities, then it will increase the number of foreign students many times. Even Iran could earn the hard currency cash through such student programs.