World War 3

[Daniyal99]

I hear it will be between Iran vs Israel. causing World War 3, if Iran attacks Israel, the USA, and then Russia, China will protect Iran, I don't know about how true this could be but how much do you think it will become a reality? Plus what side would you fight for? What side would Pakistan be on and I think Turkey might be included I'm not sure?

Im still looking into this but if you such up World War 3 or Iran vs Israel you should find some pages.

[Pakistaniboy]

Its good that you are interested in international affairs considering your age!

[Namak_Halaal]

World War 3 is happening right now - Currency War.

Got Gold?

[Daniyal99]

I'm planning on joining the Army when I'm older, RAF or Navy.

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by Daniyal99 I'm planning on joining the Army when I'm older, RAF or Navy.

As long as you can handle racism, occupying others, killing innocent and willing to die for no reason you will be fine. Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with joining the army of your nation but not when it is doing the bidding of Zionists. The British armed forces are not involved in protecting the nation at present.

As for WW3 it depends on how you define a world war? If you mean a full blown conventional warfare between two sets of allied states then it hasn't arrived.

If you mean a battle to change the balance of power in the world, we have been in a world war for a while now.

[freelance_cricketer]

People have been talking about WW3 for half a century. It wont happen.

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer People have been talking about WW3 for half a century. It wont happen.

Why do you think it won't(ever) happen?

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer People have been talking about WW3 for half a century. It wont happen.

We've come pretty close.

Cuban missile crisis just one example.

[LethalSami]

why do u wanna join the Royal air Force or Navy ?? feel like helpin' spreading that democratic goodness in backward countries like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, Eh!

only thing u'd be doing is helping relieve hundreds of thousands to millions of people of their miserable and oppressed lives and natural resources


you're just 13, don't worry about WW3...........and if it does happen, it suggest u run and hide (Antarctica/NorthPole) and let all these other idiots kill eachother

[James]

Cuban Missile Crisis isn't even the best example.

This man prevented World War 3 by a few minutes two decades later -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov

Petrov has never received the recognition he has deserved, because neither the Union nor the States wishes to acknowledge how close humankind could be to Armageddon at any time.

The Oko Incident is one of the reasons why the Western World is still covered by early warning systems -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAVE_PAWS

Many historical theorists believe that war is a human behaviour that is wired to rear its ugly head now and again.

WW3 will happen one day, and nobody will be safe.

[Daniyal99]

I have read about the Army things and to kill innocent people ain't my thing, but there is even an Iman sort of guy in the british army, I saw a video of it

[Daniyal99]

Trust me guys, everybody has emotions, but seriously, my father wants me to join the army if I could, but my mother hates the idea, they say I should do something in I.T and why not?

[James]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer People have been talking about WW3 for half a century. It wont happen.

Human beings have been around for hundreds of thousands of years.

Half a century is not a long time for WW3 not to happen! There will be human beings for a very long time after we have died.

Either way. If WW3 happens in our lifetimes, do not be surprised.

Many people who visit PakPassion live in the UK, US and Canada. They will probably be safer than most. But everyone will be at risk to some degree! That is the nature of a World War.

Around 50 million military and civilian deaths between 1939 and 1945. And that's a war when, at the beginning, people were still struggling to mass-produce decent tanks. 6 years later we had intercontinental rocket technology and atomic bombs.

Frightening!

Rest assured, World War 3 will result in more deaths than the other two put together.

[freelance_cricketer]

Hiroshima-Nagasaki attacks have changed things forever. We are not going to see a war of that level again, all the major countries are aware of the consequences. Just have to protect the nukes though. They coming in hands of non state actors is the big worry.

Apart from that we are only going to see influential countries picking up on weak ones.

[Daniyal99]

I got one question guys, if Pakistan got into a war, who would back them up first, and what countries are good friends with them?

[freelance_cricketer]

Originally Posted by Daniyal99 I got one question guys, if Pakistan got into a war, who would back them up first, and what countries are good friends with them?

None. Not even China. You better stay non-violent, nobody has come to rescue you from the drone attacks and nobody will save you in future either. Same for India. We are all on our own and we better mind it.

[Daniyal99]

Originally Posted by LethalSami why do u wanna join the Royal air Force or Navy ?? feel like helpin' spreading that democratic goodness in backward countries like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, Eh! only thing u'd be doing is helping relieve hundreds of thousands to millions of people of their miserable and oppressed lives and natural resources you're just 13, don't worry about WW3...........and if it does happen, it suggest u run and hide (Antarctica/NorthPole) and let all these other idiots kill eachother

Haha, i'm not worried just interested. As for your point it is an interesting one I guess.

[James]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer Hiroshima-Nagasaki attacks have changed things forever. We are not going to see a war of that level again, all the major countries are aware of the consequences. Just have to protect the nukes though. They coming in hands of non state actors is the big worry. Apart from that we are only going to see influential countries picking up on weak ones.

The Oko Incident.

All it takes is one trigger-happy individual or digital malfunction.

Even with the NPT and the continued disposal of nuclear weapons, there are at least seven countries which, between them, could in theory destroy civilisation.

[Daniyal99]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer None. Not even China. You better stay non-violent, nobody has come to rescue you from the drone attacks and nobody will save you in future either. Same for India. We are all on our own and we better mind it.

Hmm so why don't Pakistan and India have protect each other. Ok I know we don't have the best relationships, but any where else in the World Pakistani and Indians are brothers, my dad's best friend is Indian and my mother has loads of Indian friends. Yes I know about the relationship between our countries...

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer Hiroshima-Nagasaki attacks have changed things forever. We are not going to see a war of that level again, all the major countries are aware of the consequences. Just have to protect the nukes though. They coming in hands of non state actors is the big worry. Apart from that we are only going to see influential countries picking up on weak ones.

You are correct, gone are the days of fighting wars with bullets and swords.

Using Nuclear weapons, WW3 will not even last 24 hrs.

[James]

I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
- Albert Einstein

[freelance_cricketer]

Originally Posted by James Around 50 million military and civilian deaths between 1939 and 1945. And that's a war when, at the beginning, people were still struggling to mass-produce decent tanks. 6 years later we had intercontinental rocket technology and atomic bombs. .

That's the whole point. Every country knows wars can do so much harm thats why we don't see many these days. What USA is doing right now is not a war, its just bullying. They can because they can, nobody is gonna stop'em. If China, Russia, UK etc could oppose them, they wouldn't be doing it. In future these countries will indeed find balls to stop'em Yank War mongers and the planet will be a lot more peaceful having a multi polar set-up involving complex diplomacy between different blocs.

India-Pakistan had 4 wars till 1999 and none after that when there was so much tension involving an attack on the heart of our democracy i.e the parliament and then the 26/11. If it was still old school, we would have seen a war but things have changed. Nukes are here. Pakistan doesn't match upto India's military strength but the number of nukes they have procured are enough to take millions of Indian lives. It's been said many times that we would in return wipe them off from the map itself but the truth is we'd rather not. Wars are just bad.
This is only India-Pakistan. We are talking about a World War here. I don't see much participation.

[IgnitedMind]

Please let me know if I should kill anybody..

Kthnxbye

[James]

Deterrence is a great theory until it goes wrong.

[freelance_cricketer]

Facebook > Nukes

Social networking keeps us united.

[Daniyal99]

Wait I was talking about Iran and Israel, if such a thing does ever happen who's side are you on? Me I'm hide in a cave or under a rock.

[IgnitedMind]

Non-Alignment Movement :nehru

[Daniyal99]

Originally Posted by navroks123 Non-Alignment Movement :nehru

Sounds interesting, would you mind to explain?

[freelance_cricketer]

Originally Posted by Daniyal99 Wait I was talking about Iran and Israel, if such a thing does ever happen who's side are you on? Me I'm hide in a cave or under a rock.

That's exactly what the rest of countries will do once USA intervenes with its gang of puppets. Even The Ummah (no desrespect)

[KingKhanWC]

It's naive to think humans will not eventually use weapons of mass destruction against each other. It will happen one day, it could be in a year or a hundred years. The first world war which led to the second was sparked off after an assassination, a false flag.

Governments have underground deep bunkers against nuclear warfare. Hilariously after 911 the US had a shadow government living in such bunkers for six months. The US has over 40 of these bunkers. Other nations would have similar measures in place.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002....matthewengel1

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer That's the whole point. Every country knows wars can do so much harm thats why we don't see many these days. What USA is doing right now is not a war, its just bullying. They can because they can, nobody is gonna stop'em. If China, Russia, UK etc could oppose them, they wouldn't be doing it. In future these countries will indeed find balls to stop'em Yank War mongers and the planet will be a lot more peaceful having a multi polar set-up involving complex diplomacy between different blocs. India-Pakistan had 4 wars till 1999 and none after that when there was so much tension involving an attack on the heart of our democracy i.e the parliament and then the 26/11. If it was still old school, we would have seen a war but things have changed. Nukes are here. Pakistan doesn't match upto India's military strength but the number of nukes they have procured are enough to take millions of Indian lives. It's been said many times that we would in return wipe them off from the map itself but the truth is we'd rather not. Wars are just bad. This is only India-Pakistan. We are talking about a World War here. I don't see much participation.

If this is how people are going to boast about their military strength then WW3 won't take long.

On another note, the Gulf countries are probably the ones most protected, not only do they have themselves but Britain, US and even Canada to some extent are allies.

IMO, Israel will probably be involved in starting the war, either as a victim or an aggressor.

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC It's naive to think humans will not eventually use weapons of mass destruction against each other. It will happen one day, it could be in a year or a hundred years. The first world war which led to the second was sparked off after an assassination, a false flag. Governments have underground deep bunkers against nuclear warfare. Hilariously after 911 the US had a shadow government living in such bunkers for six months. The US has over 40 of these bunkers. Other nations would have similar measures in place. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002....matthewengel1

This could get messy, will we see "equality" being established in a situation like this, too?

[wasi90lk]

i have a feeling it will happen in my lifetime.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Daniyal99 I hear it will be between Iran vs Israel. causing World War 3, if Iran attacks Israel, the USA, and then Russia, China will protect Iran, I don't know about how true this could be but how much do you think it will become a reality? Plus what side would you fight for? What side would Pakistan be on and I think Turkey might be included I'm not sure?

Pakistan will arguably side with China. Turkey is part of NATO.

It seems more likely to me that a limited exchange will take place between Israel and Iran at some point, rather than Nuclear Armageddon.

[Qelic]

not sure abt the OP .... but imo , age of crazy warfare is over ....... countries know that there could be severe retaliation from the other side and thats why they fear attacking each-other physically , be it India , Pak , US , Iran , Israel , China or whoever ... Doesnt mean that hostility is gone ... insurgencies , proxy wars , political rivalries will go on ... but we wont see a major war between two capable states ....

[Badsha]

War is more economical now.

Hopefully a world war three of armed forces will never happen

[Patriot]

Both the Iranians and the Israelis are not stupid enough to launch Ballistic missiles at each other. If there is going to be aggression between the two it would be conventional and most likely air strikes on the part of Israel, since they have strike capability. Hence why Iran is trying to procure SAMs from the Russians.

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Originally Posted by Robert Pakistan will arguably side with China. Turkey is part of NATO. It seems more likely to me that a limited exchange will take place between Israel and Iran at some point, rather than Nuclear Armageddon.

agree, i see israel knocking out the Iran nuclear facilities and then Iran attempting to blockade the strait of Hormuz and use Hezbollah to retaliate.


And just about politics in general, countries dont have friends they have interests

[pakistanalltheway]

Originally Posted by Daniyal99 I'm planning on joining the Army when I'm older, RAF or Navy.

i was like this till i met an inspirational teacher . He showed me how it was the working class that came back in body bags and not the rich kids who sit 30 miles behind enemy lines . Plus why would would i give my life to imperialism .

[zzebie]

Originally Posted by Daniyal99 I'm planning on joining the Army when I'm older, RAF or Navy.

Wish you luck. Always wanted to join the armed forces, Indian though. Couldn't join due to health reasons.

[Markhor]

Originally Posted by Qelic not sure abt the OP .... but imo , age of crazy warfare is over ....... countries know that there could be severe retaliation from the other side and thats why they fear attacking each-other physically , be it India , Pak , US , Iran , Israel , China or whoever ... Doesnt mean that hostility is gone ... insurgencies , proxy wars , political rivalries will go on ... but we wont see a major war between two capable states ....

Agreed in the 21st century it is proxy wars, assassinations, funding insurgencies that are being used by the major states. Don't think a World War 3/Armageddon is likely. Infact why even use your army when you can fund organisations to do your bidding ?

[ElRaja]

Originally Posted by Daniyal99 I'm planning on joining the Army when I'm older, RAF or Navy.

the RAF is really hard to get into, especially if you want to become a fighter pilot. if you are serious, do ur research early and talk to people who know what is required.

your young so you have plenty of time to think about it, but if you really want to get into the RAF you should have decided by the time you are 15ish.

the competition to be a fighter pilot is immense, you need outstanding academics to be considered officer material, minimum 5 As at gcse, and very apparent proof of athletic prowess.

i knew one guy through a friend who joined and absolutely loved it, not sure but he had 4 A's at A level. if you can get into the RAF its an immense career as far as job satisfaction goes, good luck bro.

but remember with cuts and all, the competition is more immense than ever, have a back up because even some really good people dont make the cut.

[freelance_cricketer]

Today you can't change international borders for fun like in old times.

[Hasnain_786]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal We've come pretty close. Cuban missile crisis just one example.

Learnt all about that in peace walker

[Hasnain_786]

What is the point on wasting money on nukes if you are not going to use them?

[King_Rizzy]

Originally Posted by James Cuban Missile Crisis isn't even the best example. This man prevented World War 3 by a few minutes two decades later - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov Petrov has never received the recognition he has deserved, because neither the Union nor the States wishes to acknowledge how close humankind could be to Armageddon at any time. The Oko Incident is one of the reasons why the Western World is still covered by early warning systems - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAVE_PAWS Many historical theorists believe that war is a human behaviour that is wired to rear its ugly head now and again. WW3 will happen one day, and nobody will be safe.

Spoken like someone out of a Terminator movie

[freelance_cricketer]

^Its like you keeping a gun for self defense while living in an unsafe neighbourhood. Would you put your gun to use without any necessity? Say you just fired at one of the gangsters, would that be any good for you?

Its so obvious. Nukes are the weapons of weaker nations and they wont use them until they are under a major threat.

[James]

Originally Posted by King_Rizzy Spoken like someone out of a Terminator movie

I wish it was that farfetched. Unfortunately it is merely what has happened.

[Daniyal99]

Originally Posted by ElRaja the RAF is really hard to get into, especially if you want to become a fighter pilot. if you are serious, do ur research early and talk to people who know what is required. your young so you have plenty of time to think about it, but if you really want to get into the RAF you should have decided by the time you are 15ish. the competition to be a fighter pilot is immense, you need outstanding academics to be considered officer material, minimum 5 As at gcse, and very apparent proof of athletic prowess. i knew one guy through a friend who joined and absolutely loved it, not sure but he had 4 A's at A level. if you can get into the RAF its an immense career as far as job satisfaction goes, good luck bro. but remember with cuts and all, the competition is more immense than ever, have a back up because even some really good people dont make the cut.

I'm not getting in then. Anyways yeah I probably do have time but my GCSE are coming up, having normal Asian Parents they want me to become a Doctor. Haha I'm not that good in Science. I prefer, History, English, R.E That kind of stuff, do you know any jobs which might interest me?

[ElRaja]

Originally Posted by Daniyal99 I'm not getting in then. Anyways yeah I probably do have time but my GCSE are coming up, having normal Asian Parents they want me to become a Doctor. Haha I'm not that good in Science. I prefer, History, English, R.E That kind of stuff, do you know any jobs which might interest me?

my parents were like yours, until i went to coll and chose maths and physics based subjects for a levs, then they realised, putar doctor nahin banai ga. lols.

im no expert, but your preferred subjects, imo lead me to think either an academic profession, maybe journalism, or something similar.

choose A levels of your choice but have maths in there, that way when it comes to going to uni you will have a very wide choice of subjects you can study.

at A/S level i chose chemistry because i got an A in chem GCSE even though i hated the subject, i was also forced into taking an english a/s by the college, needless to say i didnt enjoy either subject and i barely passed both.

dropped them and focused on my three a levels in second year, and life was easier cos i liked the remaining subjects.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Daniyal99 Haha I'm not that good in Science. I prefer, History, English, R.E That kind of stuff, do you know any jobs which might interest me?

Vicar?

[Daniyal99]

Haha thanks guys, I don't want to work in a GP but I'd like to work in a Hospital if that gives you any sense.

[Hasnain_786]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer ^Its like you keeping a gun for self defense while living in an unsafe neighbourhood. Would you put your gun to use without any necessity? Say you just fired at one of the gangsters, would that be any good for you? Its so obvious. Nukes are the weapons of weaker nations and they wont use them until they are under a major threat.

But why spend so much money instead of helping the world's poverty?

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by Hasnain_786 But why spend so much money instead of helping the world's poverty?

No one cares about the world anymore, it's just personal interests. Countries that produce weapons need wars to make a profit out of them, Peace = Bad economy for them.

[Stewie]

The US think tank has been working on avoiding WW3 since the second world war ended. Their whole new world order is based around globalization. They want their way of living and their flavor of freedom and democracy everywhere in the world so we are all alike, we all eat at the same mcdonald and we all buy stuff from the same walmart and we all wear the same gap clothes. So we are all alike and there are no differences and boundaries and conflicts. The only conflict is the one right now, between their way of thinking and the others who are trying to fight it off.
That, my friend is the World War 3 and we are all living and breathing it at the moment.
Slowly but surely, they plan to assimilate us all. Arab Spring, wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and major global corporations spreading out their arms in the world are all part of it and are all trying to achieve it.

WW3 is not about nuclear or convetional weapons, its socio economic warfare.

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by Stewie The US think tank has been working on avoiding WW3 since the second world war ended. Their whole new world order is based around globalization. They want their way of living and their flavor of freedom and democracy everywhere in the world so we are all alike, we all eat at the same mcdonald and we all buy stuff from the same walmart and we all wear the same gap clothes. So we are all alike and there are no differences and boundaries and conflicts. The only conflict is the one right now, between their way of thinking and the others who are trying to fight it off. That, my friend is the World War 3 and we are all living and breathing it at the moment. Slowly but surely, they plan to assimilate us all. Arab Spring, wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and major global corporations spreading out their arms in the world are all part of it and are all trying to achieve it. WW3 is not about nuclear or convetional weapons, its socio economic warfare.

Kinda makes sense. The Arab spring however is not in any way a negative thing.

[Stewie]

Arab spring would not have been possible without the support of the Western world.

And I never said any of that is a negative thing. I am just saying its a war between their way of living and the rest of the world's way of living. Its capitalism vs socialism, communism, dictatorship, martial law, and all the other modes of governance.

I myself live in a capitalist state so I wont say they are evil. I make a living this way myself.

Regarding Arab Spring, I think it got to a point where the Western Think Tank felt their puppets as heads of states in those countries had outlived their usefulness. They wanted to avoid another Iraq so they supported the anti establlishment movements in those countries that have always been there but nobody heard about them. Throw in some money and logistic and media support and watch it turn into a revolution. Also acts as warning to others, Play ball or you will be dethroned. As long as the the new democratically elected governments are the yes man of their big bosses in the west, ALL IS GOOD!

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by Stewie Arab spring would not have been possible without the support of the Western world. And I never said any of that is a negative thing. I am just saying its a war between their way of living and the rest of the world's way of living. Its capitalism vs socialism, communism, dictatorship, martial law, and all the other modes of governance. I myself live in a capitalist state so I wont say they are evil. I make a living this way myself. Regarding Arab Spring, I think it got to a point where the Western Think Tank felt their puppets as heads of states in those countries had outlived their usefulness. They wanted to avoid another Iraq so they supported the anti establlishment movements in those countries that have always been there but nobody heard about them. Throw in some money and logistic and media support and watch it turn into a revolution. Also acts as warning to others, Play ball or you will be dethroned. As long as the the new democratically elected governments are the yes man of their big bosses in the west, ALL IS GOOD!

Interesting analysis. Scary is it turns out true, would have to see the state of the middle-east in around five years to find out if it is.

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by Stewie The US think tank has been working on avoiding WW3 since the second world war ended. Their whole new world order is based around globalization. They want their way of living and their flavor of freedom and democracy everywhere in the world so we are all alike, we all eat at the same mcdonald and we all buy stuff from the same walmart and we all wear the same gap clothes. So we are all alike and there are no differences and boundaries and conflicts. The only conflict is the one right now, between their way of thinking and the others who are trying to fight it off. That, my friend is the World War 3 and we are all living and breathing it at the moment. Slowly but surely, they plan to assimilate us all. Arab Spring, wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and major global corporations spreading out their arms in the world are all part of it and are all trying to achieve it. WW3 is not about nuclear or convetional weapons, its socio economic warfare.

Agree. There is a definite push to turn the world into a secular world order, Novus ordo seclorum. However this doesn't mean they won't use huge military force to achieve this agenda if required.

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC Agree. There is a definite push to turn the world into a secular world order, Novus ordo seclorum. However this doesn't mean they won't use huge military force to achieve this agenda if required.

After Iraq and Afghanistan, they have realized its not cost effective and bad for them politically. US economy is in near ruins due to these wars, plus such involvements may mean years of direct conflict and involvement and its counter productive for them.
They can achieve their goals indirectly via other means. So armed conflict involving their own personnel will create not only resistance but influence major anger and opposition. They can sidestep the ugliness and still achieve their goals.

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by Stewie After Iraq and Afghanistan, they have realized its not cost effective and bad for them politically. US economy is in near ruins due to these wars, plus such involvements may mean years of direct conflict and involvement and its counter productive for them. They can achieve their goals indirectly via other means. So armed conflict involving their own personnel will create not only resistance but influence major anger and opposition. They can sidestep the ugliness and still achieve their goals.

Have you ever thought the decline of the US empire is also part of the plan? The US economy is deliberately being manipulated for a major collapse with the end result being the death of the US dollar. There are idiotic Americans who live in a bubble thinking they are safe but that bubble will soon burst. Think about it, no governments who have the US national interest at heart would be doing so much damage to the nations economy. The Roman Empire spent far less of their budget on war compared to the US is doing now. The Roman Empire's bankruptcy was a major contributor in the fall of the empire, the same will happen to the US.