If Umesh Yadav was in Pakistani system?

[freelance_cricketer]

.. would he have been a lot better?


If you monitor average speeds, this guy is probably the quickest in world cricket right now. Action is quite smooth so he doesn't break up like Cummins and Pattinson, very fit guy. He's just not swinging it as much as he should and is not putting the ball in the right areas.

May be there in Pakistan, pioneers like Waqar would have polished his talent. I get a feeling here in India we don't quite know how to work with this guy.

Just hypothetical. I hope he still does great things for us while in the Indian system.

[jeetu]

He should get tips from Akram.

[Random Aussie]

If he was in the Pakistan system he would probably be playing third grade due to lack of sifarish or money to buy a place in the upper grades.

He is a great prospect but agree with OP, he is going to struggle for mentors in the Indian system. He is already better than most of them so how are they going to give him tips?

[Down2Earth]

speed isn't everything, sami proved that. he needs proper coaching and with time he'll learn how to swing it and what wrist position is best for him

[Centurion]

I just wish he keeps away from the likes of Venkatesh Trundler Prasad.

[IgnitedMind]

i think his physical fitness comes from the coal mining background he comes from...would be interesting to see if he can maintain the same fitness now.

And hopefully akram is hired as indian coach....

[Buffet]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie If he was in the Pakistan system he would probably be playing third grade due to lack of sifarish or money to buy a place in the upper grades.

Ahh, situation can not be that bad in Pakistan. I admit that things look fishy in national team selection but I don't think that majority of players buy their place in upper grades. Just my opinion because I don't know the local situation there.

[omairsiddiqui]

If only these two countries could get over their political issues!

An ideal situation would be an exchange program where batsmen from Pakistan could go to India's NCA and work with their coaches and Indian bowlers could come to Pakistan's NCA and work with the coaches over there. But that will only be a distant dream.

Umesh can learn a lot from Waqar.

[Anfield]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie If he was in the Pakistan system he would probably be playing third grade due to lack of sifarish or money to buy a place in the upper grades. He is a great prospect but agree with OP, he is going to struggle for mentors in the Indian system. He is already better than most of them so how are they going to give him tips?

yeah because Pakistan has never produced a quality fast bowler or all of them were mighty rich?

Don't think he will have fitness or speed issues. Just hope he doesn't end like Sami or Mitchel Johnson (the one of past 3 yrs)- speed with no brains.

[Usman]

I think one thing that drives Pakistani bowlers is competition. Admittedly our fast bowling stocks are low right now, but that's only because two of the most able bowlers to ever walk the earth are spending their playing years paying for their crimes. But even still, I don't think just anybody can walk into a Pak domestic team as a bowler. You need something about you and that probably makes you work harder. Umesh being easily 10kph quicker than his rivals probably doesn't feel the pressure to improve his game.

[IamIndian]

That's why we appoint foreign bowling coaches.

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by Anfield yeah because Pakistan has never produced a quality fast bowler or all of them were mighty rich? Don't think he will have fitness or speed issues. Just hope he doesn't end like Sami or Mitchel Johnson (the one of past 3 yrs)- speed with no brains.

You produce quality fast bowlers despite your system not because of it.

[Ironcat]

Originally Posted by omairsiddiqui If only these two countries could get over their political issues! An ideal situation would be an exchange program where batsmen from Pakistan could go to India's NCA and work with their coaches and Indian bowlers could come to Pakistan's NCA and work with the coaches over there. But that will only be a distant dream. Umesh can learn a lot from Waqar.

Klingon first officer exchange. Didn't quite end on a high note!

[kingusama92]

Not sure if he would have made it into the team.

His first class average wasn't stunning when he was first selected. It wasn't bad (mid 20s), but it wasn't out of this world.

There would be many other Pakistani bowlers with lower averages. I don't trust our selectors in picking him out of nowhere. It would never have happened!

[LegCutter]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 Not sure if he would have made it into the team. His first class average wasn't stunning when he was first selected. It wasn't bad (mid 20s), but it wasn't out of this world. There would be many other Pakistani bowlers with lower averages. I don't trust our selectors in picking him out of nowhere. It would never have happened!

With the current draught we have, I could see him being selected in our team. Aizaz Cheema and Wahab Riaz arent setting the world on fire with their bowling

[cricketjoshila]

how good is joe dawes as a coach?seems to habe developed awana alrite.

[IAJ]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 Not sure if he would have made it into the team. His first class average wasn't stunning when he was first selected. It wasn't bad (mid 20s), but it wasn't out of this world. There would be many other Pakistani bowlers with lower averages. I don't trust our selectors in picking him out of nowhere. It would never have happened!

Lols, believe it (I know it's tough) or not Yadav would have been selected for Pakistan team if he was pakistani.
At the moment he is one of the quickest bowler in SC and has a very atheletic smooth action and he has been taking top wickets in IPL consistently. Moreover he seems to be very hard working and humble.

Pakistani bowlers have low averges because we don't have many quality batsmen in our system. We used to have great bowlers but nowadays we have just trundlers like most of the indians.

Our hope now is Zia Ul Haq and hopefully Mohammad Aamir will be back in a couple of years.

[Senman]

Give another 2 years they will make another V.Prasad out of him.

[Lethalweapon]

Originally Posted by Senman Give another 2 years they will make another V.Prasad out of him.

Yadav is fitter than the rest. His ACTION and COAL MINING BACKGROUND is something that many people have pointed out will make sure his pace is not reduced.
Agarkar was one guy who was around 140kmh , fittest of the lot with a decent action, but was poor in tests.
Sreesanth too , he didn't lose his pace , he lost his head. remember thye Kallis dismissal a year back? (I know fitness levels are poor in his case)

[cricketjoshila]

Originally Posted by cricketjoshila how good is joe dawes as a coach?seems to habe developed awana alrite.

anyone on Joe Dawes please?He jas Yadav and Aaron(who has been almost as quick as Yadav in most games and ia just returning from back injury) and Awana(bowls between high 130s to mid 140s).All of them are young.Does this Joe Guy has that calibre to transform them into a good bowling attack.

[Hando]

First of all he'd much poorer. Secondly he'd probably

[Senman]

Originally Posted by Lethalweapon Yadav is fitter than the rest. His ACTION and COAL MINING BACKGROUND is something that many people have pointed out will make sure his pace is not reduced. Agarkar was one guy who was around 140kmh , fittest of the lot with a decent action, but was poor in tests. Sreesanth too , he didn't lose his pace , he lost his head. remember thye Kallis dismissal a year back? (I know fitness levels are poor in his case)

Problem is work-ethics, too-much money and not a good enough role model like what Gavaskar is for Tendulkar and what Tendulkar is for today's young batsmen.

Hoping against hope he will come through but we have been let down by a lot in the past so its obvious we will be vary of any upcoming fast bowling talent.

[wrongun]

Originally Posted by cricketjoshila anyone on Joe Dawes please?He jas Yadav and Aaron(who has been almost as quick as Yadav in most games and ia just returning from back injury) and Awana(bowls between high 130s to mid 140s).All of them are young.Does this Joe Guy has that calibre to transform them into a good bowling attack.

He was a very good state bowler for Queensland.

He really has NO track record of achievement in coaching IMO. He had a brief stint with Queensland and then went to South Australia. During that period Sean Tait lost the plot and decided he couldn't handle 4 day cricket and SA produced exactly ONE other bowler of note: Ryan Harris, although he learnt his trade in Queensland.

One potentially positive sign is that I believe Dawes was there when Harris (once a medium pacer) decided to start bending his back and bowling flat out quick, with better results.

[cricketjoshila]

Originally Posted by wrongun He was a very good state bowler for Queensland. He really has NO track record of achievement in coaching IMO. He had a brief stint with Queensland and then went to South Australia. During that period Sean Tait lost the plot and decided he couldn't handle 4 day cricket and SA produced exactly ONE other bowler of note: Ryan Harris, although he learnt his trade in Queensland. One potentially positive sign is that I believe Dawes was there when Harris (once a medium pacer) decided to start bending his back and bowling flat out quick, with better results.

not too hopeful it.seems but you never know.Unknown people make.great coaches.If he can just do the basics of bowling quick accurate move the ball and bowl to a plan with them it can be very good.regarding reverse swing i guess Zaheer can help them with that.Also Yadav and Aaron play for DD whose coach is T A Sekhar and Simmons...that may help as well.

Bcci should have hired Troy Cooley or Donald.

[cricketjoshila]

Haz any of you seen Aaron bowling in IPL this year and Awana as well?

[Poison]

Seriously overrated. What has he done of note?

I look forward to coming back to this thread in a year and laughing a lot.

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Originally Posted by wrongun He was a very good state bowler for Queensland. He really has NO track record of achievement in coaching IMO. He had a brief stint with Queensland and then went to South Australia. During that period Sean Tait lost the plot and decided he couldn't handle 4 day cricket and SA produced exactly ONE other bowler of note: Ryan Harris, although he learnt his trade in Queensland. One potentially positive sign is that I believe Dawes was there when Harris (once a medium pacer) decided to start bending his back and bowling flat out quick, with better results.

which has made him as tough as fine china

[Blitz]

Huh?

Have you seen this guy bowl?

I don't rate him one bit. He gets smacked around the park. He gets little to no swing.

His averages are sky high in International and Domestic cricket.


Seriously, I believe the only reason he's been picked is because he's kinda fast. Thats it. BCCI just proving a point. Nothing else.

[cricketjoshila]

Originally Posted by Blitz Huh? Have you seen this guy bowl? I don't rate him one bit. He gets smacked around the park. He gets little to no swing. His averages are sky high in International and Domestic cricket. Seriously, I believe the only reason he's been picked is because he's kinda fast. Thats it. BCCI just proving a point. Nothing else.

what is sky high according to you?and you judge people on basis of a few matches?what was Aamers avg after the same no. of tests?I am yet to come across a commentator or expert who doesnt think Umesh Yadav is very promising.

oh i forgot you are the one who bring some ultimate unheard of new novelty stats to show some great players in poor light and to show only a a certain few in good light.

You are normally a great poster but your hatred towards a few and love towards a few others tend to get better of you.

[speed]

he would get into pak team due to his pace, would he do well don't know.

[Blitz]

Originally Posted by cricketjoshila what is sky high according to you?and you judge people on basis of a few matches?what was Aamers avg after the same no. of tests?

For a fast bowler to average into the 30s in FC cricket, and get selected. How is that possible? Unless ofcourse he's been picked so the BCCI can show of a fast bowler?

Originally Posted by cricketjoshila I am yet to come across a commentator or expert who doesnt think Umesh Yadav is very promising.

Yea.......thats not a valid argument, considering half the commentators are on the BCCI payrol, and the others are looking to be.

Originally Posted by cricketjoshila oh i forgot you are the one who bring some ultimate unheard of new novelty stats to show some great players in poor light and to show only a a certain few in good light.

I'll take that as a complement

Originally Posted by cricketjoshila You are normally a great poster but your hatred towards a few and love towards a few others tend to get better of you.

I don't hate Yadav. I just think he's not as good as people make out to be. The same way I don't think Farhat or Faisal or Sohail Khan or Sohail Tanveer are not good enough.

I'm usually more critical of them. Does that mean I hate them too?

[randompakistani]

Indians getting possessive about their only Fassst bowler hahahaha

[Law]

Who is this guy?

[shan]

Doesnt seem to seam or swing much so dont see him being good bowler at this stage. He need to learn quickly otherwise couple of phanty more and he will be out of the team. Pakistan persisted with horrible Sami because of pace, Sami speed was 155kph on average compared to lets say 143-145 for Umesh.

Sami is back again but now i think he bowls at 145kph but lets see if he can perform this time around.

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by Down2Earth speed isn't everything, sami proved that. he needs proper coaching and with time he'll learn how to swing it and what wrist position is best for him

Well said. We could not fix Sami even thought people like Akram, Waqar, Imran, Sarfaraz all worked with him at one point or another.

It shows that if you are a crap bowler, you will remain a crap bowler no matter how quick you are. I am sure Yadav is not as bad as he is. Point being, if you are a good bowler, you will thrive eventually no matter what sort of environment you are in.

I remember Srinath was one of the best bowlers in the world after several years of medicority. He eventually figured out what lengths to bowl and how to bowl on different wickets. Yadav will be no exception, if he is destined to be good that is. Dhoni may end his career but I have a feeling he will have a better chance of succeeding under Gmabhir.

[Zamee]

Originally Posted by law who is this guy?

lol

[Hando]

Originally Posted by Zamee lol

Kami ka bhai lagra hai

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by Hando Kami ka bhai lagra hai

No kidding, I actually never noticed the resemblance before. He does look like one of the Akmals in that pose.

[madaboutcricket]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 Not sure if he would have made it into the team. His first class average wasn't stunning when he was first selected. It wasn't bad (mid 20s), but it wasn't out of this world. There would be many other Pakistani bowlers with lower averages. I don't trust our selectors in picking him out of nowhere. It would never have happened!

You really think your current International bowlers are better compared to U Yadav? IMHO Yadav is as bad as or as good as Riaz or Cheema if not better.

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by Zamee lol

are you sure he is not an akmal ?

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by madaboutcricket You really think your current International bowlers are better compared to U Yadav? IMHO Yadav is as bad as or as good as Riaz or Cheema if not better.

He would have made it only if he had done well in domestic , but again when bowlers like can play why not yadav. I think Cheema is better but older as well and Wahab Riaz is stupic more than anything else but boy when he is good he is real good.

[freelance_cricketer]

Expected hypocrisy by expected members. This is neither an appreciation nor a comparison thread.

[Dolphins]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie If he was in the Pakistan system he would probably be playing third grade due to lack of sifarish or money to buy a place in the upper grades. He is a great prospect but agree with OP, he is going to struggle for mentors in the Indian system. He is already better than most of them so how are they going to give him tips?

Yup that's why Shoaib Akhtar, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Umar Gul, Asif, Amir etc were all sons of millionaires right?

[cricketjoshila]

For a fast bowler to average into the 30s in FC cricket, and get selected. How is that possible? Unless ofcourse he's been picked so the BCCI can show of a fast bowler?

He avgd 24-25 in FC cricket when he was picked up.He had picked up 46-47 wickets in 2010-2011 so i dont know where you got that cooked up stat of 30s.BCCI picks up fast bowlers to show?Aaron Awana now Zaidi etc earlier would not agree

Yea.......thats not a valid argument, considering half the commentators are on the BCCI payrol, and the others are looking to be.

Ummm the aussie commies were on BCCI payrole?Well thats the standard argument isnt it,Anyone who praises an Indian is on Payrole.

I'll take that as a complement

It was not,but the you mentioned so i guess its ok.

I don't hate Yadav. I just think he's not as good as people make out to be. The same way I don't think Farhat or Faisal or Sohail Khan or Sohail Tanveer are not good enough. I'm usually more critical of them. Does that mean I hate them too?

Its not about good or bad.People say he is promising.Has pace,can swing the bowl out and can reverse.So basics are there.As i said almost every commie out there has said he is promising,whether a Joshlia agrees or a Blitz doesnt,will hardly make any difference to people who dont come on PP.They will probably give more value to what an ex Cricketer say.

Tell me what was the stat of Aamer after 6 tests.You all were jumping up and down about his promise,when TBH he had just one series in England that was worth mentioning.

[cricketjoshila]

Originally Posted by JibranAnsari He would have made it only if he had done well in domestic , but again when bowlers like can play why not yadav. I think Cheema is better but older as well and Wahab Riaz is stupic more than anything else but boy when he is good he is real good.

Well he avgd 24-25 in FC before his test match debut.

[dadvoc]

judging by the comments of few Indians I think the solution is very simply - setup bowling camps outside coal mines throughout India and you'll surely have a new breed of real fast bowlers...

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by cricketjoshila He avgd 24-25 in FC cricket when he was picked up.He had picked up 46-47 wickets in 2010-2011 so i dont know where you got that cooked up stat of 30s.BCCI picks up fast bowlers to show?Aaron Awana now Zaidi etc earlier would not agree Ummm the aussie commies were on BCCI payrole?Well thats the standard argument isnt it,Anyone who praises an Indian is on Payrole. It was not,but the you mentioned so i guess its ok. Its not about good or bad.People say he is promising.Has pace,can swing the bowl out and can reverse.So basics are there.As i said almost every commie out there has said he is promising,whether a Joshlia agrees or a Blitz doesnt,will hardly make any difference to people who dont come on PP.They will probably give more value to what an ex Cricketer say. Tell me what was the stat of Aamer after 6 tests.You all were jumping up and down about his promise,when TBH he had just one series in England that was worth mentioning.

Yadav is good and promising, but is he anything special yet for anyone outside India ? For Indian fast bowling legacy he is good and hopefully proves himself better than Ishant sharma.

[madaboutcricket]

Originally Posted by cricketjoshila Well he avgd 24-25 in FC before his test match debut.

Also there is big difference in averaging 24 in Indian domestic tournament and 24 in Pakistani domestic tournament. We are know which one has better batsmen.

[cricketjoshila]

Originally Posted by JibranAnsari Yadav is good and promising, but is he anything special yet for anyone outside India ? For Indian fast bowling legacy he is good and hopefully proves himself better than Ishant sharma.

what do you define as promising outside ones own country?

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by cricketjoshila what do you define as promising outside ones own country?

When you see a lot where there is no talent then a bit of talent emerges as promise. Andhon mein kana raja suna hogaa... , ever wondered why Vinay Kumar plays international cricket?

[madaboutcricket]

Originally Posted by JibranAnsari Yadav is good and promising, but is he anything special yet for anyone outside India ? For Indian fast bowling legacy he is good and hopefully proves himself better than Ishant sharma.

OP never mentioned that Yadav is a world class bowler. All he mentioned is, Yadav is a express fast bowlers from India which is known to produce trundlers for most of its history.

Pakistan has produced quite a few great fast bowlers, hence he is asking this hypothetical question that how Yadav would have done or would be doing if he was in Pakistani system.

[ElRaja]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer Just hypothetical. I hope he still does great things for us while in the Indian system.

if he had grown up in pakistan, and assuming he had been spotted there are a few differences to what he is now, although i have to admit i havnt seen a lot of him.

firstly he would have matured a lot quicker, contrary to popular opinion not all tracks in pak domestic cricket are roads, quite a few are bowler friendly, like pindi, therefore he would have had much greater first class exposure by this time in his career depending on which domestic team got hold of him.

for a hit the deck style fast bowler there could be no worse place than india and im convinced its held back his progress.

he would also been reversing it easily by this stage (dont if he reverses it much tbh). to some extent there is a bit of ball tampering in pakistani domestic cricket, its against the "spirit of the game" but great for practicing reverse swing in a competitive game.

lastly he would have either thrived or wilted under the pressure of being a pak quick, unlike india where the batsmen do the work, and the quick bowlers more often than not just come along for the ride, esp in odis (just look at his stats), a pak quick has very little time to settle.

lastly the only things going for him being indian is i assume they will looks after his fitness better, and the money of the ipl will ensure he is less likely to get attracted to the darker side of the game, although i guess even ipls dark side is becoming more obvious these days.

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by madaboutcricket OP never mentioned that Yadav is a world class bowler. All he mentioned is, Yadav is a express fast bowlers from India which is known to produce trundlers for most of its history. Pakistan has produced quite a few great fast bowlers, hence he is asking this hypothetical question that how Yadav would have done or would be doing if he was in Pakistani system.

I don't think in todays pakistan he would have done any better than he is doing in india, examples are wahab , junaid. etc.

with all that I admit gone are our days of glory with fast bowling

[freelance_cricketer]

Originally Posted by madaboutcricket OP never mentioned that Yadav is a world class bowler. All he mentioned is, Yadav is a express fast bowlers from India which is known to produce trundlers for most of its history. Pakistan has produced quite a few great fast bowlers, hence he is asking this hypothetical question that how Yadav would have done or would be doing if he was in Pakistani system.

POTW

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer POTW

Of course , very intelligent post.

[Canistani Hero]

Looks set to become another 'could've been' unless he receives some coaching, both him and Aaron.

[cricketjoshila]

Originally Posted by JibranAnsari When you see a lot where there is no talent then a bit of talent emerges as promise. Andhon mein kana raja suna hogaa... , ever wondered why Vinay Kumar plays international cricket?

Vinay Kumar plays because of TenVic.No other reason.

Yadav is more than just a Bit of talent.

[LastLaugh_PK]

Wait a couple of years he will go down the path of Ishant Sharma and Ajit Agarkar.

[LastLaugh_PK]

Originally Posted by JibranAnsari I don't think in todays pakistan he would have done any better than he is doing in india, examples are wahab , junaid. etc. with all that I admit gone are our days of glory with fast bowling

We have upcoming bowler in Zia-ul-Haq who is just 17 years old and already faster than Amir. Besides him we have Mohd. Talha who is known to bowl at around 150. Its not their fault that the selectors pick Sami and Sohail Tanvir.

[Law]

Originally Posted by Zamee lol

lol Thanks!

[12cavalry]

Umesh Yadav is a very bright prospect imo. But he certainly isnt the fastest in the world right now. Fidel Edwards, Steyn, Malinga and maybe even Wahab Riaz is faster than him.


What I fail to understand is this guy's far from impressive track record, not only internationally bit in domestic cricket as well.

[cricketjoshila]

Originally Posted by 12cavalry Umesh Yadav is a very bright prospect imo. But he certainly isnt the fastest in the world right now. Fidel Edwards, Steyn, Malinga and maybe even Wahab Riaz is faster than him. What I fail to understand is this guy's far from impressive track record, not only internationally bit in domestic cricket as well.

Steyn is faster not the rest of them.

He has a good domestic record.

And hisinternational career has just started.

[Lethalweapon]

Originally Posted by 12cavalry Umesh Yadav is a very bright prospect imo. But he certainly isnt the fastest in the world right now. Fidel Edwards, Steyn, Malinga and maybe even Wahab Riaz is faster than him. What I fail to understand is this guy's far from impressive track record, not only internationally bit in domestic cricket as well.

He is avg. 90mph in every match he has played since debut. none of Edwards, Steyn, Malinga are quicker than him. Steyn is fast not express. you should write Morkel and Finn, not those bowlers.
Check Fidel and Malinga's track record in FC and Int'l, it is terrible and worse than Yadav. did you check it before posting?

[12cavalry]

Originally Posted by cricketjoshila Steyn is faster not the rest of them. He has a good domestic record. And hisinternational career has just started.

Not so impressive if you ask me, especially considering all the hype he has gotten so far.

Originally Posted by Lethalweapon He is avg. 90mph in every match he has played since debut. none of Edwards, Steyn, Malinga are quicker than him. Steyn is fast not express. you should write Morkel and Finn, not those bowlers.

Steyn averges 91 mph, and Edwards 94.3 in every test match.
Now don't blame me for making up stats, because you started it.

Check Fidel and Malinga's track record in FC and Int'l, it is terrible and worse than Yadav. did you check it before posting?

No I didnt, because the comparison was about their pace not performances.

[freelance_cricketer]

Edwards average 94.3 mph Has even Akhtar averaged 94.3 mph ever in a whole test match?


From where are these stats coming lol

[Blitz]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer POTW

Nominate it in the potw thread then.

[Lethalweapon]

Originally Posted by 12cavalry Not so impressive if you ask me, especially considering all the hype he has gotten so far. Steyn averges 91 mph, and Edwards 94.3 in every test match. Now don't blame me for making up stats, because you started it. No I didnt, because the comparison was about their pace not performances.

That is Morkel not Steyn. Steyn's bowling is not concentrated on his pace alone.
90-92 mph is Edwards fastest. He didn't even get there most of the timeson the Indian tour, both home and away.
I have followed Speed guns specially unlike you , I have probably followed SA cricket much more than any Indian PPer here. I did not make up facts.


And Yadav has mostly involved in domestic FC games , not many List A matches. 26 List A to 33 FC games. Only played 3-4 games in the CB series.
That said he is not that good in shorter format. Aaron is better there.

[12cavalry]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer Edwards average 94.3 mph Has even Akhtar averaged 94.3 mph ever in a whole test match? From where are these stats coming lol

thin air my friend

[shaz619]

OMG did someone just mention that yadav average speed is quicker then steyn? JESUS!!!!mann what are you on, steyn is the only bowler in the world today who is a legit fast bowler

[Lethalweapon]

Originally Posted by shaz619 OMG did someone just mention that yadav average speed is quicker then steyn? JESUS!!!!mann what are you on, steyn is the only bowler in the world today who is a legit fast bowler

He is the best but not the fastest.

[cricketjoshila]

Yadav bowled faster than Edwards and Roach when they were in India.

@12Cavalry.

His FC record minus test record he avgs 25ish.

He has just played 6 tests...what was Aamers record after 6 tests???

[12cavalry]

Originally Posted by cricketjoshila @12Cavalry. His FC record minus test record he avgs 25ish.

He has just played 6 tests...what was Aamers record after 6 tests???

what was Amir's record after 15 matches

Anyway, as I said before Yadav is a very good bowler, not like the usual trundling crap that comes out of India. But I dont think he is the fastest bowler in world cricket today.

Btw how have Yadav and Aron been performing in IPL?

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by madaboutcricket You really think your current International bowlers are better compared to U Yadav? IMHO Yadav is as bad as or as good as Riaz or Cheema if not better.

Not what I said.

I said he would not get selected because of his average. Our selectors barely go to the grounds to watch matches, they would never even consider Yadav.

The only reason Yadav could be picked was for his pace. Only way anyone would know about pace is if they go watch the player at the ground.

[cricketjoshila]

Originally Posted by 12cavalry what was Amir's record after 15 matches Anyway, as I said before Yadav is a very good bowler, not like the usual trundling crap that comes out of India. But I dont think he is the fastest bowler in world cricket today. Btw how have Yadav and Aron been performing in IPL?

Yadav has picked 18 wickets@23
Aaron was injured and hasnt played more than half the matches.Still has 6 wickets in 7 matches.

Yes so we should atleast let Yadav play 15 matches...

[cricketjoshila]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 Not what I said. I said he would not get selected because of his average. Our selectors barely go to the grounds to watch matches, they would never even consider Yadav. The only reason Yadav could be picked was for his pace. Only way anyone would know about pace is if they go watch the player at the ground.

When yadav was picked up his FC avg was 25.

[madaboutcricket]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 Not what I said. I said he would not get selected because of his average. Our selectors barely go to the grounds to watch matches, they would never even consider Yadav. The only reason Yadav could be picked was for his pace. Only way anyone would know about pace is if they go watch the player at the ground.

Yadav had both pace and stats when he was picked for the Indian team. even after playing 6 test matches his FC average is 27 which is not bad.

[madaboutcricket]

12cal,

Not sure why you want to bring FC stats to make the bowler look average when we are mainly discussing about pace and how he would have developed as a bowler in Pakistan. Vinay Kumar has better domestic stats than Yadav. But we all know who has pace and potential to become a good/top class bowler between these two.

For the folks who say Yadav will slow down like other bowlers Munaf, RP,Ishant,etc., Yadav is physically much stronger than those players and has come from very different background than those guys. Ishant is a Vegie if I am not wrong. Importantly except Ishant, no one else was really express fast like Yadav. Munaf/RP/Irfan never bowled anything close to 150K.

Ishant is the first indian to cross 150K mark, but he obviously has slowed down. mainly because he is physically not very strong or as strong as any express fast bowlers would like to be. I would not write Yadav off till I see him slowing down with his pace.

[randompakistani]

If pace would have been everything, Mohammad Sami would have been the best bowler of the world. Yadav is going to be a fail for india just like their other bowlers.

[leatherface58]

Originally Posted by randompaki If pace would have been everything, Mohammad Sami would have been the best bowler of the world. Yadav is going to be a fail for india just like their other bowlers.

wishing for something bad to happen to someone who hasnt harmed you in any way whatsoever? wow. thats pretty awesome attitude you got there mate.

[shan]

Have watched him on IPL and he doesnt bowl anywhere near 90MPH on average. More like 87mph which is still very good. Bet Sami is still faster.