Hafeez should never open again

[shah_1]

I rather have imran farhat instead of this guy opening for us. I have never seen score more them 15 runs against a good bowling side. I agree he is good bowler but not good enough batsmen to open. I think either drop him or play him at no 7.

[Down2Earth]

he could take over from Afridi with nasir jamshed making a comeback form injury. but don't hate, appreciate. He's our next captain

[Bullet Drive]

Very good bowler. Ordinary batsman.

[Digital]

This guy is unreliable.

[khalil1986]

Got a good ball today however he has been horrible for a while he should bat no higher than 6

[in_cutter]

Pathetic- shouldnt be in the side. We have enough spinners.

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by khalil1986 Got a good ball today however he has been horrible for a while he should bat no higher than 6

Good ball? He could have easily left the delivery. His feet were no where. He was jumping around and was on the back foot. Hardly ever comes onto the front foot. Hangs his bat out to a well known out-swing bowler.

Can't play the new ball and can't play any bit of swing.

[Zeeraq]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive Can't play the new ball and can't play any bit of swing.

He can't even play Spin, Maybe he's a tail-ender in disguise

[Fireworks11]

He's just not good enough.

[saeedhk]

His batting have been really pathetic of late.He just cant play swing bowling and gets bogged down.

[shah_1]

Replace hafeez and younis khan with nasir jamshed and hammad azam

[shah_1]

He is so pathetic that even farhat would be proud of his batting

[MRSN]

he can't play in the side if he does not open because the balance wont be there..we are badly missing a good wk batsman here.

[w8in_4_0402]

i don't think he will captain us at the World Cup. Mysterious injury on its way.

[freelance_cricketer]

And they call him a professor

[MMHS]

This man can't play the new ball, static feet, hanging bat & zero confidence. Most people 'll not like it, but believe me, he 'll not open for Bangladesh or Ireland

[zains_rulez]

Professor proving his calculations wrong here

[ads101]

Let's just wait a little while before we get the knives out. He helped us chase down a target with a 37 in the first ODI, and scored a century just four ODIs ago. And a 89 two games before that.

It was a good ball. He still got out on zero. His batting form is a little worrying (as is most of our players honestly). But his all round worth is useful. He's a decent opener, not really any worse a bat than any of our other batsmen bar misbah, and he's a very good bowler.

It's weird how some fans expect him to perform every game. He's an opener. They get out more often, and tend to be less consistent. Easier to bat middle order usually.

He might not be a great batsman, but he's a very good all rounder who provides with the ball and the bat. And a decent opening option. Had the best figures with the ball last match, but people were busy blaming the loss due to him only making 14 with the bat last match.

[IM NOT YOU]

he should be in the middle order somewhere, the same role malik was formerly playing....


the top three should be two pure openers along with umar akmal


something like:

jamshed
shehzad
umar akmal
fawad alam
hafeez
hammad azam
kamran akmal
azhar mahmood
afridi
mohammad sami
saeed ajmal



this would be an ideal batting line-up, with hafeez being accomodated in the middle order instead of younin, malik, and misbah, who can go and retire for the sake of our cricket

[shah_1]

Originally Posted by ads101 Let's just wait a little while before we get the knives out. He helped us chase down a target with a 37 in the first ODI, and scored a century just four ODIs ago. And a 89 two games before that. It was a good ball. He still got out on zero. His batting form is a little worrying (as is most of our players honestly). But his all round worth is useful. He's a decent opener, not really any worse a bat than any of our other batsmen bar misbah, and he's a very good bowler. It's weird how some fans expect him to perform every game. He's an opener. They get out more often, and tend to be less consistent. Easier to bat middle order usually. He might not be a great batsman, but he's a very good all rounder who provides with the ball and the bat. And a decent opening option. Had the best figures with the ball last match, but people were busy blaming the loss due to him only making 14 with the bat last match.

100 against india bowling on a flat track and 89(strike rate of 70) against bangladesh. Inbetween these matches I have never seen him play solid 40.

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by IM NOT YOU he should be in the middle order somewhere, the same role malik was formerly playing.... the top three should be two pure openers along with umar akmal something like: jamshed shehzad umar akmal fawad alam hafeez hammad azam kamran akmal azhar mahmood afridi mohammad sami saeed ajmal this would be an ideal batting line-up, with hafeez being accomodated in the middle order instead of younin, malik, and misbah, who can go and retire for the sake of our cricket

Failure batting line-up posted. They might chase down 320+ in one match and then collapse for less than a hundred on 10 more occasions. Since when do Hafeez and Fawad even hold a candle to Shafiq and Misbah, even Younis?

Playing two all-rounders who are mediocre in their bowling in place of Gul?

Shehzad, Jamshed and Umar in the top three?

I'd take the current line-up thankyou.

[chui_kadoo]

I would rather have Tino best opening the batting than this awful rubbish batsmen. He has been rubbish from day 1. never improved and never will

[ads101]

Originally Posted by shah_1 100 against india bowling on a flat track and 89(strike rate of 70) against bangladesh. Inbetween these matches I have never seen him play solid 40.

A hundred is a hundred against India. Still under pressure, good knock.

That innings against bangladesh was matchwinning when Bangladesh were doing good that tournament. I understand though if it's excluded because it was against a minnow.

Question is what else has anyone else done? At least I remember that hundred against India by hafeez only a few games ago. Are our other guys vastly outperforming hafeez with the bat? Younis's last good score I remember was in that same Asia match with a 50 or so. Umar 77 against sri lanka chasing 188 in dhaka. Not sure you can argue that's better than a hundred against India. Misbah again same match 72 chasing 188.

Only guy who has recently done something is azhar ali last match.

And yet people are calling for Hafeez's head based on a few matches after the Asia cup. When all the rest of our batsmen have done squat too.

And the difference is that Hafeez provides with the ball too unlike our other batsmen. As I've said take hafeez and umar's stats apart against non-minnows and honestly there isn't much difference. I'll agree umar is the better batsman but not by much.

Hafeez like it or not, remains at the moment our best option as an opener. I do not see anyone else really homing in the runs with the bat. And if Hafeez can be in the top 5 ODI bowlers in the world, and bat at the least preferred position as an opener and average 35 or so, then he's worth his place in the side.

People really have double standards for Hafeez. People will ignore what he does with the ball and take it for granted. If Hafeez fails with the bat in a match, it's his fault we lost the match.

I have little issue with hafeez being dropped down the order if better openers come along. But someone has to show that they can open. And few have. If Jamshed and Azhar ali can make a good opening pair, then move hafeez down.

[chui_kadoo]

Originally Posted by ads101 A hundred is a hundred against India. Still under pressure, good knock. That innings against bangladesh was matchwinning when Bangladesh were doing good that tournament. I understand though if it's excluded because it was against a minnow. Question is what else has anyone else done? At least I remember that hundred against India by hafeez only a few games ago. Are our other guys vastly outperforming hafeez with the bat? Younis's last good score I remember was in that same Asia match with a 50 or so. Umar 77 against sri lanka chasing 188 in dhaka. Not sure you can argue that's better than a hundred against India. Misbah again same match 72 chasing 188. Only guy who has recently done something is azhar ali last match. And yet people are calling for Hafeez's head based on a few matches after the Asia cup. When all the rest of our batsmen have done squat too. And the difference is that Hafeez provides with the ball too unlike our other batsmen. As I've said take hafeez and umar's stats apart against non-minnows and honestly there isn't much difference. I'll agree umar is the better batsman but not by much. Hafeez like it or not, remains at the moment our best option as an opener. I do not see anyone else really homing in the runs with the bat. And if Hafeez can be in the top 5 ODI bowlers in the world, and bat at the least preferred position as an opener and average 35 or so, then he's worth his place in the side. People really have double standards for Hafeez. People will ignore what he does with the ball and take it for granted. If Hafeez fails with the bat in a match, it's his fault we lost the match. I have little issue with hafeez being dropped down the order if better openers come along. But someone has to show that they can open. And few have. If Jamshed and Azhar ali can make a good opening pair, then move hafeez down.

Nasir Jamshed is much better and should replace him ASAP in both ODI's and test formats.

Hafeez is a complete and utter failure as an opening batsmen

[chui_kadoo]

His average of 27 in over 100 games in ODI says it all and that at a strike rate of 68. Simply Disgusting.

[Zaz]

Hes a good all round player for pakistan but he isnt a good enough opener Openers are inconsistent but they are known to score 100s and hafeez isnt a heavy or big scorer, he will never score regular or consistent hundreds

He needs to move down to the mid order

[ads101]

Originally Posted by chui_kadoo Nasir Jamshed is much better and should replace him ASAP in both ODI's and test formats. Hafeez is a complete and utter failure as an opening batsmen

averages a lot better since his comeback. His average before his comeback was something like 18. So it's been going up.

Jamshed could turn out better, you're right. But one of the reasons why people are rating Jamshed is because he had a good asia cup and scored a century against India. Which Hafeez did too in exactly the same match.

There are not many cricketers out there who can average 35 or so with the bat as an opener and be in the top 5 ODI bowlers in the world. Hafeez might be nothing more than a decent or average batsman, but I don't want a guy in there to replace him who averages the same but produces nothing with the ball. His overall worth will be a lot less than Hafeez.

We haven't had a good opener since Anwar. Hafeez is not a great opener either, but at least he's decent and is a very good ODI bowler. Which means for once we have an opener (in a very long time) who actually deserves his spot in the side.

[MMHS]

Originally Posted by chui_kadoo His average of 27 in over 100 games in ODI says it all and that at a strike rate of 68. Simply Disgusting.

Take out the minnows, I guess, his figures are as good as Saqlain or Kumble.

[chui_kadoo]

Originally Posted by ads101 averages a lot better since his comeback. His average before his comeback was something like 18. So it's been going up. Jamshed could turn out better, you're right. But one of the reasons why people are rating Jamshed is because he had a good asia cup and scored a century against India. Which Hafeez did too in exactly the same match. There are not many cricketers out there who can average 35 or so with the bat as an opener and be in the top 5 ODI bowlers in the world. Hafeez might be nothing more than a decent or average batsman, but I don't want a guy in there to replace him who averages the same but produces nothing with the ball. His overall worth will be a lot less than Hafeez. We haven't had a good opener since Anwar. Hafeez is not a great opener either, but at least he's decent and is a very good ODI bowler. Which means for once we have an opener (in a very long time) who actually deserves his spot in the side.

Hafeez has played over 100 games now so his time is up. Was a complete failure as an opening batsmen. He has been lucky to be given so many chances and should thank the selectors but now his days are numbered.

Time to pass the mantle on to Nasir Jamshed. A much better batsmen and great prospect. Also gives the left and right hand combination.

[chui_kadoo]

Originally Posted by MMHS Take out the minnows, I guess, his figures are as good as Saqlain or Kumble.

You are right. I guess his average drops in the teens.

[Fireworks11]

Woeful opener, should be coming in at 7/8.

[chui_kadoo]

Originally Posted by Fireworks11 Woeful opener, should be coming in at 7/8.

If continues to fail at 7/8 then what do we do with him?

[MR__KHAN__JI]

I am a 7/8 fan.

[Fireworks11]

@C_K

Show him the door.

I'd like to see Imran Nazir returning, at least for the T20s.

[straightdrive1]

Why not let Imran Nazir & Nasir Jamshed to open the innings?

[chui_kadoo]

Originally Posted by Fireworks11 @C_K Show him the door. I'd like to see Imran Nazir returning, at least for the T20s.

I reckon for the next series Nasir Jamshed should slot in the opening slot and move Hafeez down to 7/8 and let him fill the razzaq role. If he fails there as well than show him the door.

Imran Nazir is a must for the T20's but he does not justify a position in the ODI format.

[chui_kadoo]

Originally Posted by straightdrive1 Why not let Imran Nazir & Nasir Jamshed to open the innings?

Nasir Jamshed defnitly should replace hafeez as the opener in ODI's

[VTEC]

How much did Hafeez Score in the WC 2011? 1x Fifty in 8 Innings? While Chasing 112?
How much did Hafeez Score in the ODI Series vs SL in 2011?
How much did Hafeez Score in the ODI Series vS ENG in 2011?
How much did Hafeez Score in Asia Cup vs SL when we were chasing? Oh i remember
11 Runs from 6 Overs

Inversely
How much did Hafeez Score in the ODI Series vs ZIM in 2011?
How much did Hafeez Score in the ODI Series vs BAN in 2011?
How much did Hafeez Score on a Flat Batting Pitch against the measly Indian Bowling attack where an ODI Failure Like Younus Khan scored at S/R of 157


Its really no brainer
U want to solve our batting problems? Start at the Top
Hafeez Averages a pathetic 26 which is lower than one trick ponies like Farhat even

[Lara400]

Doesn't quite cut the mustard, should not be in the team. Afridi and Ajmal provide enough spin and so his slot should go to a batsman with ability.

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by VTEC How much did Hafeez Score in the WC 2011? 1x Fifty in 8 Innings? While Chasing 112? How much did Hafeez Score in the ODI Series vs SL in 2011? How much did Hafeez Score in the ODI Series vS ENG in 2011? How much did Hafeez Score in Asia Cup vs SL when we were chasing? Oh i remember 11 Runs from 6 Overs Inversely How much did Hafeez Score in the ODI Series vs ZIM in 2011? How much did Hafeez Score in the ODI Series vs BAN in 2011? How much did Hafeez Score on a Flat Batting Pitch against the measly Indian Bowling attack where an ODI Failure Like Younus Khan scored at S/R of 157 Its really no brainer U want to solve our batting problems? Start at the Top Hafeez Averages a pathetic 26 which is lower than one trick ponies like Farhat even

Exactly, fully agree with you. The only thing which keeps him in is his bowling but I expect a big score from Hafeez soon.

[JibranAnsari]

In his last 20 innings , he has scored 1 100 and 2 50s with an average 27.5 and SR 65.
He surely needs to drop down the order.

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by JibranAnsari In his last 20 innings , he has scored 1 100 and 2 50s with an average 27.5 and SR 65. He surely needs to drop down the order.

His SR is a big issue too. I remember on his comeback he was scoring a lot more quickly and was a lot more aggressive than usual, that's why he was so successful. Now he's gone back to his old self.

[truthseer]

Hafeez should never BAT again!

[Strike!]

How many more chances do we need to give this guy to understand that he is not a good opener. He's terrible against the swinging delivery and even when he does manage to crawl his way to some sort of score he never converts them to big scores.

[speed]

purple patch over

[Sledger]

Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI I am a 7/8 fan.

This is about right I think. What exactly could he offer in the middle order? People really want to allocate him around the finishers position where Pakistan previously had Razzaq and where other teams have Dhonis, Pollards and Husseys?

[pakistanigoneaussie]

in t20s yes in odis , undecided but probably not

[saeed-sohail]

He should bat at 3/4.

[giri26]

Hafeez seems more of a bowler now for Pakistan. He should probably come at number 7/8 but again he might not be that effective lower down the order with a SR of 65.

His batting average though minus minnows is 26.60 (Averages 49 against India and 42 against WI) and his bowling average against these teams is 36.60

[Mobashir]

Hafeez should not be selected in any format again.

[Decipher]

Originally Posted by Mobashir Hafeez should not be selected in any format again.

But then our geniuses at PCB have carefully and thoughtfully planned to represent him as the captain of the side in T20 WC. Isn't it?

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by Mobashir Hafeez should not be selected in any format again.

Yea and pack the team with 11 Afridis. Who will bowl in PPs then?

[saeed-sohail]

How can someone who is a fan of Afridi have the audacity to criticise any other player is beyond me. Talk about hypocrisy!

[VTEC]

Afridi > Hafeez

Im one of the open critics of Afridi on these forums but he is far far ahead of Hafeez both in ODI and T20

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by VTEC Afridi > Hafeez Im one of the open critics of Afridi on these forums but he is far far ahead of Hafeez both in ODI and T20

In T20 yes but in no way he is better then Hafeez in ODIs. Have you seen Afridi,s bowling stats against top 7 teams?

[ads101]

Originally Posted by giri26 Hafeez seems more of a bowler now for Pakistan. He should probably come at number 7/8 but again he might not be that effective lower down the order with a SR of 65. His batting average though minus minnows is 26.60 (Averages 49 against India and 42 against WI) and his bowling average against these teams is 36.60

look at stats after comeback.

If a player comes back after a lengthy period of time and comes back, he deserves a clean slate. You can't judge him on performance years ago, he was rightly dropped and sent to domestic to improve.

He's a much improved player clearly.

He got a lot of games (50 or so) early on in his career where he was rubbish. averaged if I'm right 18 with the bat.

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail Yea and pack the team with 11 Afridis. Who will bowl in PPs then?

Why are you talking about Afridi here?
Better to have 11 Afridis than 11 Hafeez!

Show me how many stats you want, Hafeez is the worst batsman to play for Pakistan.
Hammed, Farhat, Faisal Iqbal, Salman Butt, Taufeeq Umar, to name some are all better batsmen than him.

And he is going to be out of the team very quickly.

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail In T20 yes but in no way he is better then Hafeez in ODIs. Have you seen Afridi,s bowling stats against top 7 teams?

Try to convince even one cricket analyst, commentator that Hafeez is better than Afridi and then comeback to post here!

Hafeez just can't win a match against a good team.

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by ads101 look at stats after comeback. If a player comes back after a lengthy period of time and comes back, he deserves a clean slate. You can't judge him on performance years ago, he was rightly dropped and sent to domestic to improve. He's a much improved player clearly. He got a lot of games (50 or so) early on in his career where he was rubbish. averaged if I'm right 18 with the bat.

Stats stats stats.... How many matches have these stats won you?
Please tell me.

[VTEC]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail In T20 yes but in no way he is better then Hafeez in ODIs. Have you seen Afridi,s bowling stats against top 7 teams?

Both have Mediocre Bowling Stats

Afridi however has won us matches Single handedly while Hafeez hasnt

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by Mobashir Why are you talking about Afridi here? Better to have 11 Afridis than 11 Hafeez! Show me how many stats you want, Hafeez is the worst batsman to play for Pakistan. Hammed, Farhat, Faisal Iqbal, Salman Butt, Taufeeq Umar, to name some are all better batsmen than him. And he is going to be out of the team very quickly.

He is the best ranked Pak bowler.

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by VTEC Both have Mediocre Bowling Stats Afridi however has won us matches Single handedly while Hafeez hasnt

Hafeez will never win you anything.
Just like Younis Khan he is poor ODI batsman and player.
He scored a hundred against India and Younis a 35 ball 50, that was the moment you knew the match was lost.
Match loosers by definition.

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail He is the best ranked Pak bowler.

Really? Nice for him.
So, lets see if our best ranked bowler could win us a match against England, Sri Lanka? No
Against any other team expect Zimbabwe, Bangladesh or a depleted WI? No

I am playing with an all rounder: Afridi
Plus with my best spinner: Ajmal
And my best batsman:

[proud_pakistani]

I agree he should play as a lower middle order batsman at the most. The professor needs to teach himself how to play. Tbh I think he probably analyses the game really well, its juss that his implementation as a batsman is flawed.

[VTEC]

He is the best ranked Pak bowler.

The Rankings are Jacked

Is has a **** poor average and no wicket taking ability
Economy is the worst stat to judge a bowler

No one in their right minds is gonna choose Hafeez over Ajmal

Incidentally where was this great No 1 Bowler in the England ODI Series or in the SL ODI Series before that -_-

[CricketTruth]

Economy is very important in one day cricket. Even if your 5 bowlers only take 1 wicket in total in their 50 overs, but concede 4 an over, you are only chasing 200.

That's why I feel Hafeez is a decent and very useful bowler. He picks up wickets at a respectable rate without running through sides, but the main thing is he keeps the scoring rate down. The less said about his batting the better, and from now on he must player as a bowler who can make handy scores with the bat, and Pakistan should select an extra batsman from now on.

Afridi vs Hafeez as a player is interesting. Afridi is supposed to be a bowling allrounder, Hafeez a batting allrounder. What is curious is that Hafeez is a better bowler than Afridi, and Afridi is a better batsman than Hafeez. Both are utility players, worth their place in the side, but nowhere close to world beaters.

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by CricketTruth Economy is very important in one day cricket. Even if your 5 bowlers only take 1 wicket in total in their 50 overs, but concede 4 an over, you are only chasing 200.

That has happend a lot of time over the past years...

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by Mobashir Really? Nice for him. So, lets see if our best ranked bowler could win us a match against England, Sri Lanka? No Against any other team expect Zimbabwe, Bangladesh or a depleted WI? No I am playing with an all rounder: Afridi Plus with my best spinner: Ajmal And my best batsman:

Again you accuse him of the things that Afridi is guilty of. Your great super star feasts on SL and the minnows. Have you seen his numbers against all the other decent sides?

Asia cup 2010 to now Afridi has smashed minnows and SL whilst against Eng, SA, Ind and WI he has been mediocre. I will prove it to you that in last 18 months Hafeez has out performed him against all the major teams barring SL.

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail Again you accuse him of the things that Afridi is guilty of. Your great super star feasts on SL and the minnows. Have you seen his numbers against all the other decent sides? Asia cup 2010 to now Afridi has smashed minnows and SL whilst against Eng, SA, Ind and WI he has been mediocre. I will prove it to you that in last 18 months Hafeez has out performed him against all the major teams barring SL.

This is the reason Pakistan has lost to England, South Africa and India over the same period and only won to Sri Lanka.

[CricketTruth]

Originally Posted by Mobashir That has happend a lot of time over the past years...

It's a theoretical example to show why economy is important in limited overs. Hafeez only conceding 36 off his 9 overs and taking a wicket is very good, because he has prevented the opposition from getting away in those overs, and picked up a useful wicket. If everyone did that, opposition would get to around 180-5 off 45, before accelerating and possibly getting to 220.

I can't believe I'm defending Hafeez, when I've never really liked him as a player, but we can't pretend that he doesn't contribute overall to the side.

[Asiacup2012]

one of the worst opener I ever seen in ODI's. Brendon Taylor(Zimb) player is a class infront of Hafeez.

[in_cutter]

Originally Posted by CricketTruth It's a theoretical example to show why economy is important in limited overs. Hafeez only conceding 36 off his 9 overs and taking a wicket is very good, because he has prevented the opposition from getting away in those overs, and picked up a useful wicket. If everyone did that, opposition would get to around 180-5 off 45, before accelerating and possibly getting to 220. I can't believe I'm defending Hafeez, when I've never really liked him as a player, but we can't pretend that he doesn't contribute overall to the side.

We have enough spin options..Hahahafeez is a waste of space.

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by Mobashir This is the reason Pakistan has lost to England, South Africa and India over the same period and only won to Sri Lanka.

We are talking bowling here kid. Here are performances of both players in big games in last year or so.

Asia cup

V Ind
Hafeez: 9-42-1- 4.6
Afridi: 9-58-0-6.44

World cup
V NZ
Hafeez: 7-26-1-3.7
Afridi: 10-55-0-5.5

Aus
Hafeez: 10-26-1-2.6
Afridi: 9-34-1-3.8

QF v WI
Hafeez:10-16-2-1.6
Afridi: 9-30-4-3.3

SF v Ind
Hafeez 10-34-1-3.4
Afridi 10-45-1-4.5

Now looking at these figures Hafeez is the clear winner considering he bowls in PP most of times.

Even in Eng series this year Hafeez only conceded 4.13 runs per over to Afridi,s 5.23.

So Mr Mobashir do your homework before accusing Hafeez of not performing against big teams in big games.

[Canistani Hero]

If you seriously think Hafeez, your future captain will be dropped in the order or dropped altogether for that matter, you seriously don't understand how Pakistan cricket works. I mean, come on, he's a 'senior' player now. It's no secret that Hafeez is awfully inconsistent with the bat and it is indeed he is economical and effective bowling spells that solidify his place in the team but the truth is, somebody who doesn't fulfill their primary role in the team shouldn't be there in the first place. We need a solid, consistent opener, it could be anybody from Ahmed Shehzad to Sharjeel Khan, the point is, we can always get somebody ELSE to fulfill the secondary role, which is bowl a few economical, at times, all allotted overs and pick up a wicket but we need a specialist opener, somebody who plays 4 good innings out of every 6, instead of somebody who plays one out of six.

[Myrmidon]

could not agree any more with this thread

have been saying for a while

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail We are talking bowling here kid. Here are performances of both players in big games in last year or so. Asia cup V Ind Hafeez: 9-42-1- 4.6 Afridi: 9-58-0-6.44 World cup V NZ Hafeez: 7-26-1-3.7 Afridi: 10-55-0-5.5 Aus Hafeez: 10-26-1-2.6 Afridi: 9-34-1-3.8 QF v WI Hafeez:10-16-2-1.6 Afridi: 9-30-4-3.3 SF v Ind Hafeez 10-34-1-3.4 Afridi 10-45-1-4.5 Now looking at these figures Hafeez is the clear winner considering he bowls in PP most of times. Even in Eng series this year Hafeez only conceded 4.13 runs per over to Afridi,s 5.23. So Mr Mobashir do your homework before accusing Hafeez of not performing against big teams in big games.

Only a fool can consider that Wolrd cup Game against New Zealand was a big game and not the one against Sri Lanka

[Luton Bad Boy]

Hafeez is only a select few players who can play in all formats...

So he is going through a bad patch as a opener, as I recall he did not too badly in tests vs England and adds another dimension in bowling (possibly better than Afridi)

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by Mobashir Only a fool can consider that Wolrd cup Game against New Zealand was a big game and not the one against Sri Lanka

Is that the best you can come back with? Afridi feasts on SL but you were accusing Hafeez of it. In that WC game v NZ our bowling was murdered by Taylor including your super star.

What about the other games. Two games against Ind, Aus game, and Eng series where Afridi conceded 1.1run more per over compared to Hafeez.

You were the one accusing Hafeez of not performing against big teams and now that this myth has been broken you start calling me names. Wah wah kya baat hai.

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Pakistan have had average inconsistent Batsmen for a while. He will stay in the team for a long time no matter what people say. And no he is not a number 7 or 8 type batsman.
Lets hope he gets consistent cause there is nothing wrong with his technique, its just his mind and shot selection at certain times that is letting him down.

[90MPH]

Originally Posted by VTEC The Rankings are Jacked Is has a **** poor average and no wicket taking ability Economy is the worst stat to judge a bowler No one in their right minds is gonna choose Hafeez over Ajmal Incidentally where was this great No 1 Bowler in the England ODI Series or in the SL ODI Series before that -_-

Wrong because Economy matters a lot in limited overs formats (unlike Test matches). And he does take wickets at crucial times.
Lets remember a bowler bowling tight at 1 end will usually mean batsmen taking more risks at the other end.
He is not above Ajmal but without doubt a crucial ODI/T20 bowler for Pakistan.

Some people need to get rid of the hatred - I know his batting sucks at times but his bowling can be crucial in tight matches.