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I shouldn't have used the 'bigotry' word. I meant to say that you are overly partial to Indian cricketers (we all are, to those from our own team), but that blinds you into not realising their weaknesses when compared against others. 'Bigotry' is a loaded term, and conveys a lot more than I meant to say. Poor choice of words. I apologise for that. The only argument we're having here is over cricket. Speaking of which. Quote:
Occasionally? Occasionally? Occasionally, he fails to deliver when the chips are down. Most of the time, HE DOES. I'm not saying that Tendu lose matches for India. No player can score runs all of the time (except for Bradman). But, if one guy consistantly delivers in the clinch, time and again - and consistantly delivers you victories by doing so - then his contributions are more valued. Cricket is a game of stats. In those terms, Tendu beats Inzi. But its also a team game, where different contributions are needed at different times. Where performances cannot always be measured purely in terms of stats. On stats alone, Inzi is one of the very very best playing today. But, when you consider the circumstances under which he tends to deliver his best - I argue that he is the absolute best playing today.
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why everybody is harping on Inzi best under pressure,blah,blah......for him to prove really the best in the world he should do agains best attacks.i am 200 % sure that he would have got thousand opportunities against good bowling attacks South Africa and Australia, but he failed miserably.they have got bowlers to exploit his technique and slow starter....he has handled against decent attacks,but to call him best in the world is over board.....no country put pressure on the field or off the field like australia,and we all know how well he play against them. by your arguments....laxman should be rated as one of the best ever batsman under pressure for his unimaginable knock of 55 & 281 ,but for his lack of consistency he will never be rated as best.
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He played one the best INNINGS under pressure. So did Azhar Mahmood (one of his 100s v SA made it into the Widen top 100). Do it again and again, then you are the best clinch player. Not once. Inzi IS consistant. Look at his overall record. Average >50 in 100 Tests. Average almost 40 in 300 ODIs. Its a brilliant record. He also consistantly delivers under pressure. How many times has he scored 100s immediatly after Pak has lost a game? How many times has he kept the lower order together and won a game? He even did this against Australia (to answer one of your accusations). His runs also consistantly deliver results. Many batsmen score runs in meaningless draws. The vast majority of Inzi's big knocks have resulted in Pak wins. Enough said.
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Another classic example of Shri Tendulkar playing a selfish innings when he slowed down the run rate in pursuit of his century in the first ODI. No doubt, he's a great batsman but these tactics hurt your team. On the other hand, look at Malik's batting. Not going for personal achievements, his own century, he was determined to match/increase the scoring run rate. This is waht makes the difference between the two teams! Team Pakistan rules!
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i suppose they had great opportunity in 1999 when you had top bowling attack wasim,waqar, shoaib,saqlain but inzi was not good......tendulkar had worst game against umpires,still performed very well. i am not sure how many Inzi centuries would have resulted in victories if he had played with a bowling attack similar to India(this was reflected in 2003/2004 series,still you had shoaib).  any honest fans will agree how difficult it will be when you know your own innings alone can determine the chance for draw or remote chance for victory.this is for 1/2 years but entire career.before posting everybody should understand what goes through players mind...........i am sure this what sachin had in his whole career right from the age of 16 how much mental energy he would have had if his bowling attack failed to capitalize........but we saw what happend when he had inexperienced bowling attack like in 2003/2004........imagine whole tendulkar,dravid career (tendulkar(16 years) played 7 years more than dravid).always easy to pinpoint the net result without knowing the game........
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Tendulkar reached 80 off 92 balls, he then made 20 off 20 to go to his hundred..S/R off 100, that's pretty damn good! Butt reached 80 off 85 balls, he then made 20 runs off a further 24 balls, at a strike rate of 83.3! I don't have a problem with it, but clearly, you do. If Sachin Tendulkar is selfish, so is Salman Butt.
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Too much of a debate.
Both teams will be happy to have such players in their team. 1) Does India want a Inzamam desparately or 2) Does Pakistan want a Tendulkar desparately. If everyone can answer this then the debate is solved. Option 1) for me
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now guys, who is the master blaster?? Well, there will always be just one for whom this title was coined - all others are fake imitations and shoddy as compared to him. The original for that matter - Sir Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards.
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What makes u think i am Indian?  Just coz i said i wanted to see Sachin kick some Pakistani ass, I Would Want to see him do that in WC final against Pak, as a matter of fact i Wouldnt mind anybody kicking Pak's ass, if they play well and deserve to win, i dont care ho they are, LARA, Ponting, Gilchrist, Dravid, Sachin ....they deserve to win........ This game made more enjoyable becoz of these great players and their skillz.......Its people like u, who Always want to see one result i.e to see their favorite team in -----Make me sick. As i told other guy who replied to my thread.....watch the game for the sack of game and perhaps u will learn more about it. Last edited by Bouncer; 8th February 2006 at 04:38.
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 @ the comparison......Does that mean your'e a closet Indian ?? Btw, beware of the wrath and cricketing knowledge of Farhad.........He eats up chumps like you for breakfast......
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btw rana yaar plz next time make a decent thread if u want inzamam to be compared...hmm i would suggest inzi vs ponting will be decent enuff........atleast then u will have to think about it twice unlike sachin tedulkar......ok if ur a sachin fan then ur better of comparing sachin tendulkar with aftab Ahmad!! happy?
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Ponting v Inzy.well i would put Ponting a little higher. just a little . some pressure knocks. some winning ones and aggressive batting. I just loved the third ashes test knock by Ponting.
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I don't quite get it. You claim of being Pakistani and were ranting for Sachin to "kick green man's asssss"? Are you confused or are you Indian, mate?  And don't give me that trash that not everyone is at least slightly biased towards their team. Only a weird Pak fan would wish Sachin "to kick Pak team's assss." BTW, in the eventuality that your hopes came crashing down, were you also rooting for Malik when he was kicking some Indian team assssss... blue? 
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MELBOURNE, Feb 7: Australian captain Ricky Ponting can top Sachin Tendulkar and Brian Lara and become Test cricket’s greatest batsman, Shane Warne said on Tuesday. Ponting is the top-ranked batsman in Test and one-day cricket and this week capped another outstanding year with his second Allan Border Medal win, having scored 1,596 Test runs and seven centuries in the past year. Time, form and ability are on 31-year-old Ponting’s side as he tracks the prodigious scoring deeds of West Indian champion Lara, 36, and Indian maestro Tendulkar, 32, the game’s two great contemporary batsmen. Among the active players, Lara is Test cricket’s leading run-scorer with 11,204 runs, Tendulkar is fourth on 10,386 and Ponting is 10th with 8,253. But Warne, a long-time opponent of Lara and Tendulkar and a team-mate of Ponting’s for over a decade, said his skipper had the potential to claim many of the game’s batting records. “I think you’ve seen this year what he is capable of,” Warne told reporters. “What is he, 31? So he’ll play who knows how many more years. So he could break all the records in the batting if it’s up to him, if he’s still enjoying it and he’s enjoying captaining the side and enjoying playing and batting like he is, there’s no doubt he could break all the records, for sure.” Warne said Ponting was tough to dislodge once he was set, and was in the sort of form few players ever reach. “I don’t think there are too many guys who have been in this sort of form,” Warne said. “I remember Matty Hayden a few years ago, Tendulkar in the mid-90s, Lara in the mid-90s, the form (Ponting’s) been in has just been phenomenal. “He’s had a wonderful year. He’s always hard to bowl to, he’s quick on his feet and he’s a wonderful player. He plays the quicks so well that they bring the spinners on and he whacks them. “You’ve got to get him out early; if you don’t get him out early then he’s going to make you pay.”—AFP Last edited by Farhad; 8th February 2006 at 08:33.
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i think Warne's been taking pillz again...obviously Sachin's gonna break every single record....much to the chagrin of that nut pakistani pundit!
yo farhad, for all your big talk about Tendulkar being selfish, you didn't see that Butt's century was also selfish? can't have it both ways
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Evreyone even myself wrote off India to even reach the super-sixes in world cup 03 after a dismall tour of New Zealand, and a dismall start to the world cup, but then with our very young and inexpirenced side we fought back very strongly and evreyone was really supirsed that India reached it to the finals, we might not have won it but it was a very good tournment for India. Days after that game agaisnt hollend thier was a article in the newspaper and it said on Sony tv asia about Sachin Tendulkar telling his best buddy Vinod Kambli that he promised that thier would be much, much better stuff to come from him and he would crush England, Pakistan, Sri Lankan and Australia when he played them.
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Everyone saw that Great Stuff he pulled when his team needed him the most and when it mattered the most i.e. WC Final against Aussies  Now lets see if he replies to me with "Oh he did kick your team" or "Oh we have won last 4 encounters in WCs" 
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still feeling the pain of 2003 world cup....why you people get so much enjoyment when sachin failed while chasing 360......we all know how good Pakistan play against Australia.....Aussies treat them like school kids and bunch of jokers when they finished test match in less than 2 days.... we all know how well Inzi and Pakistan played against Aussies in 99 world cup.....
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One sentence "What does 9/11 means to India in ODIs, against Pakistan?"
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India has never won any series in Astralia simply becuase in much of the 90s India had a very poor bowling attack and still has in this 00s era, our batting was ok but our bowling was very poor.
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i dont have DEEP knowledge but just my memory told me in the first ODI that pak is gona win....cos sachin scored a hundred playing first... i was surprised when he was taking singles (after getting into 90s & plenty of wickets in hand), instead of hitting big shots and really seal the match for India. I am happy he does not play for my team....
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i only started this thread is because everyone calls Sachin the 'MASTER BLASTER', but nowadays, who is the real master Blaster out of these two great batsmen
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God this post will always be pointless in pakistan forum. MY opinion is that sachin basically single handedly did everything in the 90s. Our own wasim said he was the best batsmen he has bowled to. When sachin is full flow its amazing.
Then lets look at inzi, has improved considerably since the world cup debacle. He has been more consistent. Personal bias leads to always admire Inzi elegance. But the overall fact is that there careers are evening out. As an overall cricketer though i would have sachin. Sachin was great fielder and handy bowler. He should have be given the captaincy again i think he would be great a very shrewd cricketing mind.
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Two points here:
People here say that Sachin never dug India out of trouble: Well the definition for trouble for India was "Sachin getting OUT". Kinda lose lose situation for him. Next point is that it is also a bit sad that we are discussing this about him when he past his best and cant give anymore instances to use as arguments since everyone talks about "in the last few years".Last, its a waste of Energy, Inzi and Sachin are both greats in their time and position. And this forum, or any Indian forum by the way, is a really stupid idea to discuss who was better. And for all those who still go back with stats and stuff.... Try Dale Carnegie for some time pass. "You can NEVER win an argument" Last edited by sp10006; 18th July 2006 at 22:36.
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Well, all the Inzi and Sachin fans, please refer to the following thread:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ad.php?t=24717
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Well, all the Inzi and Sachin fans, please refer to the following thread:
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Words of the type of "Sachin playes just like myself" carry no meaning. Bradman was a great player but he was an egotist of the highest order and always tried stupid things to bring himself into limelight long after he had left the public arena. All his words shouldnt necessarily be taken to heart.
In later years especially he had lost almost all his marbles. You remember the stupid World 11 he suggested? That was the biggest brain fart ever, wasnt it? Filling the world eleven with eight Australians. That tells you how little sense he had had left in him in the nineties. And what else can you expect? Afterall he was born in the middle ages. Tendulkar bats just like me! Who cares man. You dont yourself remember how you batted and you want to tell us Sachin bats like you? Nobody gives a turd who bats like whom. All that's important is how a player copes with pressure and how much he contributes to the team cause. On that front, Sachin is the definitive under-achiever and team let down-er! Last edited by Momo; 19th July 2006 at 07:34.
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Last 50 TEST matches: Inzi ~ 50 matches, 4543 runs, Avg: 62.23, 17 100's, 20 50's. Squatter ~ 50 matches, 3749 runs, Avg: 52.80, 10 100's, 15 50's. That tells us alot.
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I admit Sachin failed when it most mattered in the world cup final, but one has to remember Sachin got India to the world cup final, when India lost to the aussies badly agaisnt the Aussies in the 1st round, from then on India had to win evrey game to get to the latter stages, Sachin fired in those games, those games was very important. Talking about world cups Inzy averged a mere 22 in 92 world cup, his knock in the semi final was good, but it was Imrans all round performance which won the world cup, without Imran Pak would'ent have won the world cup in 92, Inzy played absolute syte in 2003 world cup when it most mattered.
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When it comes to records, making the most centuries and sheer weight of runs, Sachin leaves Inzi in the dust.
When it comes to centuries contributing to winning a match and averages in matches won, Inzi makes Sachin look like a shoolboy still learning his trade.
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As much as I'd love to say Inzi is a better great then Sachin, he's not. Sachin has dominated the game for the past decade and has done great things. He is a certainly a player of class and deserves all the respect.
But for the past 2-3 years, Sachin has been declining, and Inzi has been rising into the form of his life. Inzi has dominated Sachin for the past years, and will continue to until either one of them retires. Indian fans, face it, you know Sachin has done nothing for you for the past 2 years. And you wish you could have Inzi as your captain and number 4 right now.
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Playa and banana_246 if you remember the interview taken by a indian presenter on a indian channel in a cricket show programme hosting the two legendary allrounders from india and pakistan then you will realise. The cricket programme was conducted just before the start of the recent india vs pakistan test series in pakistan. You must have forgotten but let me remind you anyways, kapil dev agreed with imran khan that sachin is not yet a match winner much in the same way inzamam is. Both inzamam and sachin are great players and a treat to watch but the match winning element is stronger in the case of inzamam. If you are not willing to acknowledge the verdict of the two legendary allrounders of the subcontinent then i don't know what will satisfy you.
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Honestly think about. You play for a team right. Now you keep getting 100s and 50s but you lose like anything. What's better a good track record and winning, or an excellent track record and losing a lot. You make the choice.
And Inzi's track record isn't even that bad, and mind you, Sachin doesn't leave Inzi in the dust. Inzi has a hadnful of ODI runs and Test runs. But 100s, Inzi is behind. Very behind. But does it really matter when you're performing and winning?
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19th July 2006, 15:51
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"The Indian bowling attack is as devastating as the Teletubbies"- Sir Ian Botham
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#160
19th July 2006, 16:13
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In ODI, Sachin has been way ahead.
Let's not forget that Sachin is an opener. How can an opener play out the full 50 overs? Inzi comes in at #4,5 and can thus see his team home. I am no way demeaning Inzi but am presenting another perspective for you read the below --------------------- The above is the ODI analysis only. Now, you tell me what else do you want from an opener? You would want him to score as many centuries as possible. HOW IS IT IN HIS CONTROL THAT WHEN HE SCORES A CENTURY HIS TEAM ALSO HAS TO WIN? HE HAS DONE HIS PART BY SCORING A CENTURY AND HE IS AN OPENER!!!!! YOU WANT HIM TO BAT FOR 50 OVERS????? How is it HIS FAULT that when he scores a century his team loses, and when he scores a ZERO, his team wins?? How would you explain this Sachin Tendulkar's record of 51 Man-of-the-Match awards in ODIs will take a while to beat because his closest contenders are Sanath Jayasuriya with 40 awards, and Brian Lara on 30. Tendulkar wins the award once out of every seven matches on average, a frequency bettered only by Vivian Richards, 31 awards in 173 matches , and Gordon Greenidge, 20 awards in 120 matches, among batsmen to have played over 100 ODIs. LET ME ALSO SHOW THAT THE URBAN MYTH IS WRONG: That How many of Tendulkar's centuries have come in a WINNING cause Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St unfiltered 362 14146 186* 44.20 39 72 142 5/32 43.61 2 107 0 filtered 183 8675 186* 57.07 28 43 88 5/32 33.29 2 57 0 Of Tendulkars 39 centuries, 28 have come in a WINNING CAUSE 72% Next time, someone throws out the urban myth at you give them this Now all of you should
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