Umar Gul vs. Ishant Sharma ( in terms of pace )

[Qelic]

umar gul is faster than ishant sharma , its quite clear , the conditions in austrailia where sharma bowled , were so favourable that umar gul could bowl 155 k there , its clear now

[TruSachFan]

Originally Posted by hussain_0216 This is a interesting thread,,,, but I will say one thing... Ishant is 19 (i think), Gul is 23 (or may have just turned 24),, Ishant has time to catch up and learnt the tricks OR burn out and fall in obscurity ala Balaji, Nehra who I thought were good bowlers when they first came, At the moment GUL is far better then Ishant, but Gul is also a few years older, now Ishant may catch up or may be a failure only time will tell. As a Pakistani (and someone who does not need an excuse to dislike or talk ill of indians) I dont fear Zaheer, RP, Sreesanth these are ok bowlers but nothing special, they are capable of bowling well as a unit but the indians are getting too excited hyping these guys up.. The only guy i am worried about is Ishant, and i am hoping he will go the same way as Kalaji sorry thats Balaji..

lol i dont care if u fear ishant or zaheer or not


but u better fear rp singh soon

[Lightning]

I don't think it's fair to compare Ishant to Munaf. I've never seen Munaf bowl with the sort of aggression and guile that Ishant has shown very early in his career. Also not right to judge him based on past Indian pacers. Ishant to me is the most promising Indian pace bowler I've seen for as long as I can remember.. (Haha that is since 2002 or so)

I actually look forward to watching him bowl as I do for guys like Shoaib, Lee, Steyn, Asif, etc.

[jackal786]

Ishant has cut down his speed a lot in India. Why would he risk an injury playing for stupid IPL

[Vegitto1]

Originally Posted by jackal786 Ishant has cut down his speed a lot in India. Why would he risk an injury playing for stupid IPL

That is one way to look at it. However, I would think that Ishant would stive to bowl at full throttle in these T20 matches, since he only has to bowl 4 overs. This will help his muscle endurance and stamina built up.

If he cuts down his Pace then the muscles are not getting any stronger since they are not being pushed to the limit hence he wont bowl faster.

Look at Umar Gul, back from a serious injury and still trying to bowl fast. You have to bowl fast no matter what the pitch is like to remain a fast bowler.

[jackal786]

Originally Posted by Vegitto1 That is one way to look at it. However, I would think that Ishant would stive to bowl at full throttle in these T20 matches, since he only has to bowl 4 overs. This will help his muscle endurance and stamina built up. If he cuts down his Pace then the muscles are not getting any stronger since they are not being pushed to the limit hence he wont bowl faster. Look at Umar Gul, back from a serious injury and still trying to bowl fast. You have to bowl fast no matter what the pitch is like to remain a fast bowler.

Bowling itself is not a natural action. So i think it is not advisable for Umar Gul cranking up great speeds for domestic T20 games. If i were him i would take it easy. Another injury could put him out for a long time. This is one of the reason why i hate IPL. They have about 58 games. Players can easily pick up injuries over the course.

[the_game]

Whatever the pace, Gul is the king of bowlers as far as Twenty20 is concerned. Yorker after yorker after yorker; best death bowler in the business at the moment.

[Savak]

Originally Posted by jackal786 Bowling itself is not a natural action. So i think it is not advisable for Umar Gul cranking up great speeds for domestic T20 games. If i were him i would take it easy. Another injury could put him out for a long time. This is one of the reason why i hate IPL. They have about 58 games. Players can easily pick up injuries over the course.

So true. While its great to see with this speed. But it just doesnt look right, you know he is putting extra, its not natural. You always get the impression, he is going to be injured now.

[Megadeth]

Originally Posted by poisonjet umar gul is faster than ishant sharma , its quite clear , the conditions in austrailia where sharma bowled , were so favourable that umar gul could bowl 155 k there , its clear now

Conditions favorable to improve pace???...u mean Ishant had gale force winds behind him to push the ball a couple of yards faster...

its the most comical explanation of Ishant's success so far..

[Geordie Ahmed]

Ishant has a average of 60 against Aussies? what the

Thats worse than Sami - I thought the Aussies feared this guy, with a a 60 average why on earth would they fear him?

[Lambu]

Ishant averages around sixty Vs aussies in 3 tests hes played against them,however he troubled them a lot consistently...but his efforts started bearing fruits only in the subsequent odi series

[Geordie Ahmed]

What was his average for the ODI's?

[Megadeth]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Ishant has a average of 60 against Aussies? what the Thats worse than Sami - I thought the Aussies feared this guy, with a a 60 average why on earth would they fear him?

Stats can be very deceiving ...

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Megadeth Stats can be very deceiving ...

Not that deceiving mate - an average of 60 is to be frank RUBBISH

[Lambu]

Originally Posted by hussain_0216 This is a interesting thread,,,, but I will say one thing... Ishant is 19 (i think), Gul is 23 (or may have just turned 24),, Ishant has time to catch up and learnt the tricks OR burn out and fall in obscurity ala Balaji, Nehra who I thought were good bowlers when they first came, At the moment GUL is far better then Ishant, but Gul is also a few years older, now Ishant may catch up or may be a failure only time will tell. As a Pakistani (and someone who does not need an excuse to dislike or talk ill of indians) I dont fear Zaheer, RP, Sreesanth these are ok bowlers but nothing special, they are capable of bowling well as a unit but the indians are getting too excited hyping these guys up.. The only guy i am worried about is Ishant, and i am hoping he will go the same way as Kalaji sorry thats Balaji..

fair enough...but did you ever wonder just how many of your bowlers truly have the Indian fans worried...none!!! If you have seen the number of times our batsmen made your bowling attack look ordinary..you wouldn't rate your bowlers too...

[the_game]

Originally Posted by Megadeth Stats can be very deceiving ...

And they are not that deceiving when it comes to Gul for you guys, isn't it? Stop the bickering and hailing Ishant as God business, will you? He has potential (I haven't doubted that ever since watching him on the Australian tour, even though I still think that RP Singh will be far more successful in the long run); let's see if he can fulfill it.

[Lambu]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed What was his average for the ODI's?

I don't have the his avg against Aus alone...but his overall avg for the entire tri-series was below 20 if i remember correctly..will post the exact figure when i get them.

[Lambu]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Not that deceiving mate - an average of 60 is to be frank RUBBISH

Do you truly believe Sami is rubbish..even though he avgs 50?

[Ghoshtbuster]

Originally Posted by Lambu I don't have the his avg against Aus alone...but his overall avg for the entire tri-series was below 20 if i remember correctly..will post the exact figure when i get them.

9 wickets @ 19 against Aus.

[Ghoshtbuster]

Originally Posted by Lambu Do you truly believe Sami is rubbish..even though he avgs 50?

YES!. everyone here does.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Lambu fair enough...but did you ever wonder just how many of your bowlers truly have the Indian fans worried...none!!! If you have seen the number of times our batsmen made your bowling attack look ordinary..you wouldn't rate your bowlers too...

Is that right, than why did India produced Dead Pitches in the last series when our attack was at the lowest ever with Gul, Asif, and Akhtar all missing?

Asif's name along with Gul's should give Indian fans enough worries...

[the_game]

Originally Posted by Ghoshtbuster YES!. everyone here does.

Exactly !

[Muddaser]

Originally Posted by Lambu Do you truly believe Sami is rubbish..even though he avgs 50?

Yes he does If you ask me.

Thats why he has been thrown into the Rubbish Bin.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Lambu Do you truly believe Sami is rubbish..even though he avgs 50?

Damn right i do - Sami is awful and to think Sharma's average against Aussies was worse is laughable

The way Indians way going on about Sharma i though the guy average around 20 against the Aussie, was a bit of a shock to see that it was actually 3 times that

[Lambu]

ok wise guys...i hope you digest this following fact very carefully...Ishant averages 19.33 against Aussies in Odis....beh hahaha!!!!





Statsguru - I Sharma - ODIs - Innings by innings list

I Sharma (Ishant Sharma) [Player Page] - RHB; RFM
Born: 1988-09-02 (present age: 19y 245d)

ODIs: India 2007 - 2007/08 (18y 300d - 19y 182d)
Also: Test Player 2007 - 2007/08; Twenty20 Int Player 2007/08.

Filter: against Australia.
Sort order: chronological.

Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St

unfiltered 10 5 2* 5.00 0 0 14 4/38 23.07 0 2 0
filtered 5 5 2* 5.00 0 0 9 4/38 19.33 0 1 0

[Uzzy]

Originally Posted by Lambu Do you truly believe Sami is rubbish..even though he avgs 50?

Yes, i dont think you will find one person who says otherwise.

[McBoom]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Ishant has a average of 60 against Aussies? what the Thats worse than Sami - I thought the Aussies feared this guy, with a a 60 average why on earth would they fear him?

Well to be fair on him, he did quite well in the pyjama cricket series. But that is just one series and to be a world beater you need to perform consistently. Lets see what he does in the coming couple of years.

[Lambu]

Originally Posted by Uzzy Yes, i dont think you will find one person who says otherwise.

Thank you for accepting one of your 90 mph bowler is a piece of ****...thats it guys its official even his own countrymen don't rate Sami.

[Uzzy]

Originally Posted by Lambu ok wise guys...i hope you digest this following fact very carefully...Ishant averages 19.33 against Aussies in Odis....beh hahaha!!!! Statsguru - I Sharma - ODIs - Innings by innings list I Sharma (Ishant Sharma) [Player Page] - RHB; RFM Born: 1988-09-02 (present age: 19y 245d) ODIs: India 2007 - 2007/08 (18y 300d - 19y 182d) Also: Test Player 2007 - 2007/08; Twenty20 Int Player 2007/08. Filter: against Australia. Sort order: chronological. Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St unfiltered 10 5 2* 5.00 0 0 14 4/38 23.07 0 2 0 filtered 5 5 2* 5.00 0 0 9 4/38 19.33 0 1 0

Are you going to proclaim now that ODI is the real form of cricket?

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by imranahmed_khan Well to be fair on him, he did quite well in the pyjama cricket series. But that is just one series and to be a world beater you need to perform consistently. Lets see what he does in the coming couple of years.

I agree his stats for the ODI's were impressive and fair play to him

[Lambu]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Damn right i do - Sami is awful and to think Sharma's average against Aussies was worse is laughable The way Indians way going on about Sharma i though the guy average around 20 against the Aussie, was a bit of a shock to see that it was actually 3 times that

dude check out my post...you'll know why he is rated by Aussies.

[the_game]

Originally Posted by Lambu Thank you for accepting one of your 90 mph bowler is a piece of ****...thats it guys its official even his own countrymen don't rate Sami.

Umm, that is as old news as it gets. Pathetic attempt to rile us up really, since we all wait for an opportunity to grill Sami for his pathetic bowling . Try something else kiddo.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Lambu Thank you for accepting one of your 90 mph bowler is a piece of ****...thats it guys its official even his own countrymen don't rate Sami.

BTW we never said Sami is a piece of ****, just his bowling is rubbish

We accepted a long time ago that Sami was rubbish - it doesnt bother us cos we produce bowlers for fun

[Lambu]

i agree though..he still has a long way to go after seeing him get whacked yesterday..

[Ghoshtbuster]

Originally Posted by Lambu Thank you for accepting one of your 90 mph bowler is a piece of ****...thats it guys its official even his own countrymen don't rate Sami.

Your a few years late on that one.

[Uzzy]

Originally Posted by Ghoshtbuster Your a few years late on that one.

Sometimes I get the impression he's only been watching Cricket since Sharma's debut.

[Lambu]

well actually...i seem to rate Sami higher than you guys.The guy had talent, you can't deny that.

[Ghoshtbuster]

Originally Posted by Uzzy Sometimes I get the impression he's only been watching Cricket since Sharma's debut.

Originally Posted by Lambu well actually...i seem to rate Sami higher than you guys.The guy had talent, you can't deny that.

I think your right.

[Ghoshtbuster]

Originally Posted by Lambu The guy had talent, you can't deny that.

Definatley. He did.

But didnt get anywhere near his potential.

[Lambu]

Originally Posted by Ghoshtbuster I think your right.

Originally Posted by Ghoshtbuster Definatley. He did. But didnt get anywhere near his potential.

Everything alright with you???

[jusarrived]

if you look beyond stats Gul & Ishanth are both wonderful bowlers , not great but but very good for now ....... for me Gul happens to be the best T20 bowler in the world , ishant is not bad either ..... both equally good in ODI's for now , but its on dead pitches for test matches I wud pick ishant over gul inspite of his inexperience & expetct him to get only better ...!

[Vegitto1]

Umar Gul on a flat track



Another one



Oh and one more



So why would u pick Sharma over him again?

[TruSachFan]

guess hes talking abt the 4th adelaide match (flattest pitch in australia)

[161]

Originally Posted by Vegitto1 Umar Gul on a flat track Another one Oh and one more So why would u pick Sharma over him again?

gul's ability to reverse swing makes him much more suited to test cricket where as sharma is more suited to the newer ball and one day cricket.

[PlanetPakistan]

i fully agree with jusarrived.

[Vegitto1]

Originally Posted by TruSachFan guess hes talking abt the 4th adelaide match (flattest pitch in australia)

Or maybe he is talking about the flat tracks of Lahore

[wanted_desi]

Sharma will get better with time.

[Lambu]

Originally Posted by kashif77 gul's ability to reverse swing makes him much more suited to test cricket where as sharma is more suited to the newer ball and one day cricket.

Sharma is good at extracting reverse swing..just take a look at Hayden's wicket in the Adelaide test match clip link given above

[Vegitto1]

Originally Posted by wanted_desi Sharma will get better with time.

Or he would go down the same route as Nehra, Balaji, Agarkar, Munaf, Zaheer, Pathan.

And even if he does get better with time, do you think time would stop for Umar Gul?

[Vegitto1]

Originally Posted by Lambu Sharma is good at extracting reverse swing..just take a look at Hayden's wicket in the Adelaide test match clip link given above

Firstly that is not reverse swing. Tbh, the ball doesn't even swing in that much. It is angle with which the ball is coming in with just a slight bit of late swing.

The seam is up-right so I dont see how it is reverse swing.

[lahori@denmark]

both are good bowlers, no daoubt about it ...but if i ll compare gul with his odi and test records then gul is far better bowler in test who can swing ,has pace and is really good in reverse swing...
in t20 his his 140++ yorkers make him dificult to play..

[Wazeeri]

Ishant is yet to get 20 wickets in any form of international cricket.
Let's wait before the comparisons are made,

The thread is about who is faster and Gul is faster.
Ishant has more time on his side and with the right exercises could get faster.

I doubt that however because I think his speed is more to do with the fact that his arm has no muscle on it thus whatever deltoids and pectoids he has find it easier to move the whole thing so fast

but only time will tell.

As things stand though, I wouldn't pick Ishant over Gul in any form of the game, including ODIs.

[Rudi hater]

Originally Posted by Lambu Very true. and yes may be Gul has bowled unplayable deliveries.i haven't seen them may be..but have you or have you not seen sharma bowl unplayable deliveries in his short career?? i can give links of clips if required.

Have a look at the Laxman wickets by Gul and you will know the definition of a un-playable deilvery. Ishant has not bowled one such delivery yet anyway.

[Rudi hater]

[Shoaib Akhtar's Fan]

Well Ishant does seem to be a very exciting propspect and I sincerely hope that he does not turn into another Sami , Pathan or Nehra, coz such talent is good for the game. With the likes of Akhtar & Bond facing uncertain futures I , as a pace lover , would love to see someone like Ishant make it big. However some Indian fans do not realize that it's too early to pass judgements. At this stage, Gul is a better bowler than Ishant in all aspects be it pace , variation or swing. But Ishant too has all the talent in the world to do well.

[siddharth]

Originally Posted by Rudi hater Have a look at the Laxman wickets by Gul and you will know the definition of a un-playable deilvery. Ishant has not bowled one such delivery yet anyway.

One hell of a delivery that was.Gul does have that ability to bowl out of the world deliveries from no where .

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by siddharth One hell of a delivery that was.Gul does have that ability to bowl out of the world deliveries from no where .

Laxman, has been bowled like that by so many bowlers that I am not even sure if this delivery proves anything...

One thing I do know that Ishant The Teeli Sharma is the World Number 1 after getting a few wickets at an Earth Shattering avg of 60...this I am sure about!

P.S. Teeli = A Single Stick from a Match Box

[sgt.pepper]

Originally Posted by Monsee Laxman, has been bowled like that by so many bowlers that I am not even sure if this delivery proves anything... One thing I do know that Ishant The Teeli Sharma is the World Number 1 after getting a few wickets at an Earth Shattering avg of 60...this I am sure about! P.S. Teeli = A Single Stick from a Match Box

yep. he's yet to master the dark arts of using bottle caps and creams.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by sgt.pepper yep. he's yet to master the dark arts of using bottle caps and creams.

At least he can always sought 'Crying Counselling' from Dund Paa Jee and Mr. BootyShakeHoochiMaama...once they are done with him, he will be Number One in that category too

P.S. Jal Gaya, Burnol Lagyiyaay

[siddharth]

People were impressed by his spell against Ricky ponting ,even himself agreed that it was the best spell he ever faced .
So considering his age ,he showed a great character keeping one of the greatest batsman worried over a whole spell .Hence the appreciation that he ''has the potential ''to be a good bowler .

Otherwise no one put him in the number one spot . Pakistanis seem overly interested and worried about a young Indian bowler .Looking for a bad performance ,start ridiculing .

A young bowler needs confidence and support to carry on ,atleast from his country men ,they are not supposed to make fun of a kid who showed a lot of promise saying that his average is pathetic .He needs support and we (Indians ) will support him as much as we can .

Other nationals should stop worrying over that ,we have the freedom to love and hate our own child .

[sgt.pepper]

Originally Posted by Monsee At least he can always sought 'Crying Counselling' from Dund Paa Jee and Mr. BootyShakeHoochiMaama...once they are done with him, he will be Number One in that category too P.S. Jal Gaya, Burnol Lagyiyaay

Maybe shoaib (now that he has arrived in india) can give him tips on better uses of a cricket bat?

[Ghoshtbuster]

siddharth,

I dont think most people here are overly interested in seein a failure from Instant Karma. Everyone can see the potential he has - and has shown good spells of bowling at the highest level.

The problem arises when Indian fans elevate a player to the level of a deity, after "one good spell", and make proclimations about him being the best thing since sliced bread, skimmed milk etc.

That level of aggrandisement, I find difficult to follow.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by siddharth People were impressed by his spell against Ricky ponting ,even himself agreed that it was the best spell he ever faced . So considering his age ,he showed a great character keeping one of the greatest batsman worried over a whole spell .Hence the appreciation that he ''has the potential ''to be a good bowler . Otherwise no one put him in the number one spot . Pakistanis seem overly interested and worried about a young Indian bowler .Looking for a bad performance ,start ridiculing . A young bowler needs confidence and support to carry on ,atleast from his country men ,they are not supposed to make fun of a kid who showed a lot of promise saying that his average is pathetic .He needs support and we (Indians ) will support him as much as we can . Other nationals should stop worrying over that ,we have the freedom to love and hate our own child .

Siddharth, I expected more from you man...you have lowered yourself from your usually high standards by posting something a 12-13 year old Indian fan would

Seriously, Indians need to understand that one spell does not make a Great...and it is your media and fickle fans like 'One Mr. Lambu' in this thread...who gave Pakistani/Any other fans a chance to make fun of Ishant The Teeli Sharma!

I have no issues with him or any other Indian bowler being rated Number 1 in the world. I do have an issue when that bowler has barely a handful of wickets in Tests at 60 avg against the Aussies and all Indian fans point to that series as a proof of his greatness!

You do know how great Rana Naved was in ODIs...during one year he was rated the Best ODI bowler in the World and yet he could do jack in Tests...

So unless Sharma proves himself in Tests with some quality performances and also brings his average down to the 20's...he is at best a 'Highly Talented Bowler' right now, who does not even have the standing to be compared to Gul...let alone Asif (as a few Indians have suggested before!)

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by sgt.pepper Maybe shoaib (now that he has arrived in india) can give him tips on better uses of a cricket bat?

Or he can always reach out to Tendulkar on how to avoid key matches with a few 'Strategic Injuries' just at the right time!

[sgt.pepper]

Originally Posted by Monsee Or he can always reach out to Tendulkar on how to avoid key matches with a few 'Strategic Injuries' just at the right time!

Read your signature again ;)

[siddharth]

Originally Posted by Ghoshtbuster siddharth, I dont think most people here are overly interested in seein a failure from Instant Karma. Everyone can see the potential he has - and has shown good spells of bowling at the highest level. The problem arises when Indian fans elevate a player to the level of a deity, after "one good spell", and make proclimations about him being the best thing since sliced bread, skimmed milk etc. That level of aggrandisement, I find difficult to follow.

Do u think thats an Indian thing .

[Ghoshtbuster]

Originally Posted by siddharth Do u think thats an Indian thing .

To the level that has been suggested - yes.

Fans should be able to look at the positives of their side, and look at the potential in future. But a certian context of reality must be measured in the background.

Pak fans tend to be hypercritical of all our players.

What do you think?

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by sgt.pepper Read your signature again ;)

In Context with Shoaib, you do know what I am called as on PP?



So see, if I care

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by sgt.pepper No, I don't know and I don't friggin care The point remains valid, he's the man for strategic injuries. Can't fault him really. Just takin a cue from his mentor akram....chickenin out from quarterfinal against India et al

At least he has a WC to show for...how many World Cups Teenda has: 1, 2, ...?

P.S. Considering the Biat.ch like treatment Pakistan metted out to most of the Indian teams in the late 1980's and 1990's...it is laughable that Akram would chicken out against them!

Maybe Umma Bharti had a say in that somehow...

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by sgt.pepper Have we moved away from cricket to uma Bharti, eh? let it remain that way then Remember how the Indian forces made the whole of pakistan their bia.tch and split you into two? And Akram, with an average of almost 30 against India, made them his biat.ch P.S. Go easy on your keyboard champ

So a country 3-4 times at least their neighbor in size, military,manpower etc...by plotting and planning, wicked deception, etc. resulted in Pak splitting in to two (despite the fact that it was always like that to begin with considering how India was in between East and West Pakistan); that is something for you to brag about?

Didn't know that the 'Tiny Size', mentioned in that famous BBC article, was not only pointing to a certain part of the body as well as the 'Egos' of the whole populace

P.S. In 1965, you had to run to the U.N. to end the war cause your plans of having a lunch in Lahore Gymkhana or eating Goll Gappaay in Anarkali went so bad that you were losing your land left, right, and center (This despite the fact that your loser army tried to sneak in the middle of the night)

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by sgt.pepper I feel your pain. Here's a tissue

Forget the tissues for me...I am sending a whole truckload of Burnol for your burns cause I can smell and feel your pain from here

[Lambu]

Originally Posted by Vegitto1 Firstly that is not reverse swing. Tbh, the ball doesn't even swing in that much. It is angle with which the ball is coming in with just a slight bit of late swing. The seam is up-right so I dont see how it is reverse swing.

dude your knowledge of reverse must be zero then...even Wasim was praising how quickly Ishant grasped the art of reveerse swinging...moreover they used the ball for 110 overs or so in that match...that wicket came about around the 80th over if i remember correct...so the bottomline is i'll takea guy like Wasim's opinion over yours any day of the week.And its not just a 1 ball phenomenon, he had symonds all squared up in that test as well with reverse swing...

[Lambu]

Originally Posted by Rudi hater Have a look at the Laxman wickets by Gul and you will know the definition of a un-playable deilvery. Ishant has not bowled one such delivery yet anyway.

Kid get a life...you don't know what an un-palyable delivery maens...

[Monsee]

Here we go, Mr. Lambu is out on the patrol again...

People don't say anything cause he 'Maybe and Probably' know everything!

[Lambu]

Originally Posted by Monsee Here we go, Mr. Lambu is out on the patrol again... People don't say anything cause he 'Maybe and Probably' know everything!

Thnx...really appreciated by me.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Lambu Thnx...really appreciated by me.

I guess 'Sarcasm' is a tree even taller than Lambu...

[Lambu]

Originally Posted by Monsee I guess 'Sarcasm' is a tree even taller than Lambu...

Like i was being serious!!!

[Lambu]

un-playable:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsOrx_Cob2I

btw that to a batsmen well set on 100+ with an old ball

[switchblade]

Originally Posted by siddharth Do u think thats an Indian thing .

Well said mate.. thats rich considering how some forumnites compared even Sohail Tanvir to AKRAM, just due to one IPL match success

[Lambu]

Originally Posted by switchblade Well said mate.. thats rich considering how some forumnites compared even Sohail Tanvir to AKRAM, just due to one IPL match success

right.what a bunch of hypocrites..they live under the delusion that their pace attack is capable of doing what our attack did to the Aussies...not to mention their pathetic batting line-up.This pakistan team really is lacking match-winners except one or two, perhaps the fault isn't entirely theirs..having not played a single match against a competitive team in the recent-past.Well, all i can sAy is that this team will be tested soon...and they will be found wanting..the margin may not be as wide as it should be on sub-continental pitches..nevertheless there should be no doubt about who is the superior team.