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Old 29th May 2009, 20:14
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ODI Future Looking Bright Again Folks!

Woke up this afternoon and read the news that the PCB is ready to bring back Yousuf and Razzaq immediately and flag this so called 'cooling period'!
Now there's no doubt that Yousuf and Razzaq will only improve our team, the ODI team will once again be able to rely on Yousuf taking care of the middle overs whilst Razzaq can come in an attack during the latter part of the innings!

Yousuf's inclusion will make the all the difference in my opinion, currently we lack someone in the middle that can set a foundation, after Inzamam left Yousuf was the only one who could carry us in the middle part, Misbah has come in and done well in T20 and tests to a certain extent but has strugelled to replace Inzamam in the ODI side, Younis Khan is not a ODI player full stop!

The middle was defintely a problem for us in the last series against Australia, too often we were relying on players like Afridi, Malik and Akmal, these players need to play around someone, they will finally have Yousuf who will hold his end and allow the rest to play around him!

To really become a formidable ODI side again we need to bring in a explosive opener, An opener that we should give the license to kill and even if he fails from time to time stand by him, this all points to Imran Nazir!

The inlcusion of Rana Naved and Mohammed Asif would make for a very good ODI team! A team that can bring back the excitement, bring back the spark, bring back the force and bring back PAKISTAN!

ODI team:

I.Nazir
S.Butt
Y.Khan
M.Yousuf
Misbah
S.Malik
A.Razzaq
S.Afridi
R.Naved
U.Gul
M.Asif

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Old 29th May 2009, 20:18
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Who will keep?LOL, u have forgot to put kami name in there.
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Old 29th May 2009, 20:19
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Yeah... Its the best team I know... not only for tests, but also for ODI/T20...

and the 2nd advantage is that we will have a better bench.... Fawad, Jamshed, Farhat, Azhar Mahmood and ahmad shahzad will be awsum players to sit there..
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Old 29th May 2009, 20:21
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Who will keep?LOL, u have forgot to put kami name in there.
I knew there was something shoddy about that line-up, thanks for pointing it out!

Take S.butt out for Kamran Akmal

Kammy can open, if not Shoaib Malik or even Shahid bhy can open!

Now thats a prospect Shahid Afridi and Imran Nazir opening!
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Old 29th May 2009, 20:21
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Woke up this afternoon and read the news that the PCB is ready to bring back Yousuf and Razzaq immediately and flag this so called 'cooling period'!
Now there's no doubt that Yousuf and Razzaq will only improve our team, the ODI team will once again be able to rely on Yousuf taking care of the middle overs whilst Razzaq can come in an attack during the latter part of the innings!

Yousuf's inclusion will make the all the difference in my opinion, currently we lack someone in the middle that can set a foundation, after Inzamam left Yousuf was the only one who could carry us in the middle part, Misbah has come in and done well in T20 and tests to a certain extent but has strugelled to replace Inzamam in the ODI side, Younis Khan is not a ODI player full stop!

The middle was defintely a problem for us in the last series against Australia, too often we were relying on players like Afridi, Malik and Akmal, these players need to play around someone, they will finally have Yousuf who will hold his end and allow the rest to play around him!

To really become a formidable ODI side again we need to bring in a explosive opener, An opener that we should give the license to kill and even if he fails from time to time stand by him, this all points to Imran Nazir!

The inlcusion of Rana Naved and Mohammed Asif would make for a very good ODI team! A team that can bring back the excitement, bring back the spark, bring back the force and bring back PAKISTAN!

ODI team:

I.Nazir
S.Butt
Y.Khan
M.Yousuf
Misbah
S.Malik
A.Razzaq
S.Afridi
R.Naved
U.Gul
M.Asif
Imran Nazir
Kamran Akmal
Shoaib Malik
Younis Khan
Mohammed Yousuf
Misbah ul-Haq
Shahid Afridi
Abdul Razzaq
Rana Naved/ Sohail Tanveer/ Mohammed Amir (Fawad if Razzaq gets his bowling back)
Umar Gul
Mohammed Asif

Now that's a team that i like

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Old 29th May 2009, 20:23
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This team looks good .just rememeber Champion trophy is coming in september .If this team (the one you have chosen ) plays or one , two changes here and there i still pakistan will be very strong team. I hope Pakistan win this world 20-20 and then Champion trophy .
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Old 29th May 2009, 20:24
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One master blaster at the top, with a classy player.
Followed by a worthy single taker. Can you imagine the sheer speed with which running will take place between the three of the top order.

Followed by pure class of Younis, Yousuf.

And then master blasters once again, Misbah, Afridi, Razzaq, Rana or Fawad.

In the bowling department, wow, strike bowlers:
Asif, Gul, Rana/Tanveer/Amir
First change: Razzaq

Spinners: Afridi, Malik, Fawad(if he plays)
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Old 29th May 2009, 20:25
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Did anyone watch Rana bowl today against Lanacashire!

He seems to have got the pace and that nip he had in his bowling a few years ago back!

Looked pretty devestating!
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Old 29th May 2009, 20:34
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Who will keep?LOL, u have forgot to put kami name in there.

Nice Question... All players are well deserving...... Who can be replaced with Akmal? Razzaq? Malik? or any batsman?
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Old 29th May 2009, 20:34
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Woke up this afternoon and read the news that the PCB is ready to bring back Yousuf and Razzaq immediately and flag this so called 'cooling period'!
Now there's no doubt that Yousuf and Razzaq will only improve our team, the ODI team will once again be able to rely on Yousuf taking care of the middle overs whilst Razzaq can come in an attack during the latter part of the innings!

Yousuf's inclusion will make the all the difference in my opinion, currently we lack someone in the middle that can set a foundation, after Inzamam left Yousuf was the only one who could carry us in the middle part, Misbah has come in and done well in T20 and tests to a certain extent but has strugelled to replace Inzamam in the ODI side, Younis Khan is not a ODI player full stop!

The middle was defintely a problem for us in the last series against Australia, too often we were relying on players like Afridi, Malik and Akmal, these players need to play around someone, they will finally have Yousuf who will hold his end and allow the rest to play around him!

To really become a formidable ODI side again we need to bring in a explosive opener, An opener that we should give the license to kill and even if he fails from time to time stand by him, this all points to Imran Nazir!

The inlcusion of Rana Naved and Mohammed Asif would make for a very good ODI team! A team that can bring back the excitement, bring back the spark, bring back the force and bring back PAKISTAN!

ODI team:

I.Nazir
S.Butt
Y.Khan
M.Yousuf
Misbah
S.Malik
A.Razzaq
S.Afridi
R.Naved
U.Gul
M.Asif
i agree . you forgot kammy though. and fawad alam [best batsman in pakistan]

ODI

I.Nazir
S.Malik
K.Akmal
Y.Khan
M.Yousuf
F.Alam
S.Afridi
A.Razzaq
Naved Ul Hasan
U.Gul
M.Asif

next best two:

nasir jamshed
mohammad aamer
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Old 29th May 2009, 20:55
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My team:

I.Nazir (N.Jamshed for Tests)
S.Butt (N.Jamshed for T20s)
M.Yousaf (F.Alam for T20s)
S.Malik (C)
K.Akmal (W)
Younis Khan
Misbah-ul-haq
A.Razzaq or Rana Naveed (depends who is in better form)
S.Afridi
Umer Gul
Mohammad Asif

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Old 29th May 2009, 20:57
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My team:

I.Nazir
S.Butt
M.Yousaf
S.Malik
K.Akmal
Younis Khan
Misbah-ul-haq
A.Razzaq or Rana Naveed (depends who is in better form)
S.Afridi
Umer Gul
Mohammad Asif

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Abc2Xyz, how many different teams of Pakistan have you put up here ever since you became member?
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Old 29th May 2009, 21:00
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Woke up this afternoon and read the news that the PCB is ready to bring back Yousuf and Razzaq immediately and flag this so called 'cooling period'!
Now there's no doubt that Yousuf and Razzaq will only improve our team, the ODI team will once again be able to rely on Yousuf taking care of the middle overs whilst Razzaq can come in an attack during the latter part of the innings!

Yousuf's inclusion will make the all the difference in my opinion, currently we lack someone in the middle that can set a foundation, after Inzamam left Yousuf was the only one who could carry us in the middle part, Misbah has come in and done well in T20 and tests to a certain extent but has strugelled to replace Inzamam in the ODI side, Younis Khan is not a ODI player full stop!

The middle was defintely a problem for us in the last series against Australia, too often we were relying on players like Afridi, Malik and Akmal, these players need to play around someone, they will finally have Yousuf who will hold his end and allow the rest to play around him!

To really become a formidable ODI side again we need to bring in a explosive opener, An opener that we should give the license to kill and even if he fails from time to time stand by him, this all points to Imran Nazir!

The inlcusion of Rana Naved and Mohammed Asif would make for a very good ODI team! A team that can bring back the excitement, bring back the spark, bring back the force and bring back PAKISTAN!

ODI team:

I.Nazir
S.Butt
Y.Khan
M.Yousuf
Misbah
S.Malik
A.Razzaq
S.Afridi
R.Naved
U.Gul
M.Asif
thats a devestating line up. although i belive butt should stay in the team incase an opener falls early so he can provide abit of stability but then again you obviosly need a keeper in the team so i guess akmal can fit into the opener slot. im loving the pace department aswell.i saw rana today and he looked very sharp and could swing a 11 over old conventionally and yorkers seemed regular business for him. i tink he shud open with Asif with gul first drop. one ting to remember is tht we are not 100% confirmed tht all these players will be returning
so we shall wait and see whether these players are selected for the tour of sri lanka which i tink is the first step.
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Old 29th May 2009, 21:03
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to be very honest, anybody who posts a team without the words 'fawad alam' or 'f. alam' in it committing a crime to humanity.


fawad alam is the best batsman in all of pakistan, in any format of the game.
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Old 29th May 2009, 21:31
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to be very honest, anybody who posts a team without the words 'fawad alam' or 'f. alam' in it committing a crime to humanity.


fawad alam is the best batsman in all of pakistan, in any format of the game.
I unequivocally agree. If you can't make room for your number 1 player, something is wrong with the system.

I like the optimism of the OP though, its a refreshing change from all the doom-and-gloom threads. Bright times are ahead, and a wealth of talent is a good problem to have.

We have some explosive hitters at the top with any of NJ, Shahzaib hopefully stepping up to take this role. Kami and Afridi can also float in here if needed.

We have more classical opening options, with Butt and AS able to deliver a more structured opening innings (not to mention others eg Umar Amin / Khurram Manzoor)

Then for the middle overs any of YK, Malik, Fawad or Moyo can keep the innings humming along with gap picking and ground-strokes.

And for the crash bang sucker-punch finish any of Misbah, Afridi, Kami, Arafat, Tanvir, and ofcourse Razzler can supply this.

Bowling is a little bit of a concern, but it is still not a terrible picture. At first change Arafat and Tanvir are very handy. ofcourse now Razzler is back as well, and Anwar Ali is turning out nicely, so there will be healthy competition here in the first change/all-rounder position.

Our opening attack is a concern, but it is not as bleak as some people make it out to be, and most importantly its going to get better rather than worse. Aamer has a lot of potential and will hopefully become a strike bowler of the future. Gul is solid as always. We still have yet to see how Mo Irfan will turn out, and ofcourse Asif will be back in September. Also Pak will never be short of promising youngsters, so there is no telling who will rise-up in the near future.

And for spin Malik and Fawad can pitch in a handy few overs and Afridi is always a good bet for a decent 10 overs and is getting better by the day. There are some promising people in the wings if another full-timer is needed (Yasir Shah, Usman Qadir in the distant future).

Our biggest problem is not talent, it is mental toughness and positive leadership. It's not an easy problem to fix, but if we can find the right leader to inspire and bring the best out then it turns around very quickly.

Good times ahead
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Old 29th May 2009, 21:52
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I nazir is not odi material, hes a proven failure in the format

Id only consider razzaq and rana naved in odis

Yousuf should only be playing in tests, fawad should play in odis instead
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Old 29th May 2009, 22:22
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In ODIs , my team wud be

Jamshed
Akmal
Younis
Malik
Alam
Misbah
Afridi
Razzak
Rana
Gul
Asif

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Old 29th May 2009, 22:24
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An in form Razzaq would provide pakistan with a number 6 batsmen who is reliable and also provide more balance to the team. Moyo is just class full stop!
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Old 30th May 2009, 00:33
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For ODIs vs Srilanka, new zealand and australia we need this team to win 2 of three ODI series:

Salman Butt
Imran or nasir
younis
yousuf
misbah
Shoaib Malik
Kamran Akmal
Shahid Afridi
Abdul Razzq
Umar Gul
Asif or tanvir or arafat or rao or akhtar or aamer
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Old 30th May 2009, 00:36
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Imran Nazir
Kamran Akmal
Shoaib Malik
Mohammad Yousaf
Younis Khan
Misbah-ul-Haq
Shahid Afridi
Abdul Razzaq
Umar Gul
Wahab Riaz
Mohammad Asif
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Old 30th May 2009, 00:56
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Oh Yes. But honestly I cant see a spot for Imran Nazir in the ODIs. My Near Future team looks like this.

1. Salman Butt.

2. Kamran Akmal.(Keeper)

3. Younis Khan. (Captain)

4. Mohammad Yousaf.

5. Shoaib Malik.

6. Misbah-Ul-Haq/Fawad Alam.

7. Shahid Afridi.

8. Abdul Razzaq.

9. Rana-Naveed/Sohail Tanveer.

10. Umer Gul.

11. Mohammad Asif.

We have to open with Akmal to accomodate all those players in the middle order. Only he to me looks like to have all the qualities which I will need in my opener, he can attack, he has a pretty good technique against the swinging ball.

The only concern will be that I dont think that team management will drop Butt, and he wont be that bad to go in with Akmal. As he will play the anchor role for the entire innings, but he will need to cash in on those earlier bowling powerplays, and dont need him to play a test innings in an ODI.

The middle order looks as strong as one can imagine for a Pakistani team. YK, MOYO, Malik. Now take that.

For me honestly Misbah has to prove his worth in the ODI side. Once again the team management wont drop him, but I seriously think that they need to consider Alam as a pure batsman, rather than an all-rounder. This is the only spot Which is not clear in my mind. And it will be a good fight betwees the old and tested Misbah and young and energetic Alam. My vote will go to Alam, instead of Misbah for ODIs and Misbah for Tests.

Then there comes the power hitters. I dont think any bowler will like to bowl to the likes of Afridi, Razzaq and Rana in the batting powerplay. Rana will have to compete with Tanveer for his slot and again this will be a good competition. Once again my vote will go to Rana instead of Tanveer, who needs to bring some spark in his bowling and some consistency in his batting, on both these qualities Rana can beat Tanveer on any given day.

Then comes the fast bowling duo of Gul and Asif. If I were an opposition batsman I would simply hate to play Asif, the guy is just a gem of a bowler and he needs to be clear in his mind that what goals he is going to set for his own self. He can walk into any Pakistani side on any given day. Gul has been our class fast bowler for the last 3-4 seasons, so he can also be an automatic choice.

So my bowling line up will be, start the bowling with Asif and Rana. Bring Gul and Razzaq as 1st and 2nd change. The spin options will be the ever reliable Afridi to go with Malik and Alam.

As far as T20 goes there has to be 2 changes. Imran Nazir as once Pat Symcox said during the ICL can walk into my T20 side on any track, anywhere in the world. He has to replace Butt. MOYO again dont make my T20 cut, Alam replaces him yet again.

And I dont want to mention the bench strength. There will be likes of Shehzeb, Jamshed, Shehzad, Aamer, Arafat, Qadir and many many more. And I still havent opened that post on Pakistan got lack of talent, I wonder if the porter ever had an eye for Pakistan future, which I can say with Confidence looks nothing else but Bright and Shiny

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Old 30th May 2009, 01:05
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odi...

nasir jamshed
imra nazir
shoaib malik
misbah
younis
malik
akmal
afridi
gul
razaq
muhammad ameer
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Old 30th May 2009, 01:39
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odi...

nasir jamshed
imra nazir
shoaib malik
misbah
younis
malik
akmal
afridi
gul
razaq
muhammad ameer
i hate to be the spelling police but dude you need to learn the names of the players. lol
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Old 30th May 2009, 02:06
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I am so happy!!! It's a shame that they were't include in T20 though. Now we have Abdul Razzaq, Moyo, Nazir and Rana. We can become a top team again. I hope Saqlain is also released and the dumb PCB decide to select him instead of other guys who aren't nearly as good and the same age.
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Old 30th May 2009, 02:28
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i hate to be the spelling police but dude you need to learn the names of the players. lol
i know the name of the players.. its just that i dint care much...
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Old 30th May 2009, 04:57
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i know the name of the players.. its just that i dint care much...
The important thing is that every1 understands what we write so if some1 spells a name wrong, no big deal that.
English is not natural for me but thanks to PP i am improving day by day
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Old 30th May 2009, 05:12
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I don't know. We are rotating the same players for about 5 years. I'm not too optimistic that this lineup will do any better than in the past. I'm getting concerned about the lack of real upcoming talent in the recent past.
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Old 30th May 2009, 12:13
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odi...

nasir jamshed
imra nazir
shoaib malik
misbah
younis
malik
akmal
afridi
gul
razaq
muhammad ameer
Who is the other Malik?
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Old 30th May 2009, 12:32
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I would love to see Yosuf, Razzaq, Rana and Nazir back in Pakistani colors. I just want selectors and captain to keep youngsters like Alam, Shehzad, Jamshed, Amer etc in the loop to make our team better for the sure. Hope they will come up with an effective rotation policy, and those kids will not just warm benches.
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Old 30th May 2009, 13:30
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It's good to see that we'll Insh'Allah finally be able to look at the team on paper, and really get excited about what’s to come.
Its actually been a while since you could look at our team on paper and say they're much stronger then the opposition...
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Old 30th May 2009, 14:15
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It's good to see that we'll Insh'Allah finally be able to look at the team on paper, and really get excited about what’s to come.
Its actually been a while since you could look at our team on paper and say they're much stronger then the opposition...

agree
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Old 30th May 2009, 14:25
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you don't win games on paper

this is the batting line-up who FAILED humiliatingly against Ireland


Imran Nazir
Mohammad Hafeez
Younis Khan
Mohammad Yousuf
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Shoaib Malik
Kamran Akmal
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Old 30th May 2009, 14:26
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you don't win games on paper

this is the batting line-up who FAILED humiliatingly against Ireland


Imran Nazir
Mohammad Hafeez
Younis Khan
Mohammad Yousuf
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Shoaib Malik
Kamran Akmal
Every team is gonna have an upset at some point.
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Old 30th May 2009, 14:32
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there are upsets and then there are humiliating failures

many of pakistans humiliating failures happen when their is deep division in the dressing room as there was in that Inzimam led team which led to his sacking after that tournament

so rather than posting fanboy type dreams about a line up of malik, razzaq and yousuf ask yourself what the dressing room atmosphere will be like with those guys in the same team

i would much rather we go with up and coming youth rather than past their peak selfish has-beens
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Old 30th May 2009, 14:34
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you don't win games on paper

this is the batting line-up who FAILED humiliatingly against Ireland


Imran Nazir
Mohammad Hafeez
Younis Khan
Mohammad Yousuf
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Shoaib Malik
Kamran Akmal
I don’t remember saying that we'll win games on paper.

What would you rather have...the pre-match preview with the team on the TV screen with so many match winners or a team full of bits and pieces players who would fit in perfectly in a 90s England cricket team?

We've been lacking match winners in the last year or 2. You'd rather look at out team and be reminded of the good old days before the ICL, before the 2007 WC where you'd think to yourself, 'damn! This can be a massacre right here!' compared to 'i fully support team Pakistan as i've always done so BUT do i realistically see us winning here?' Like so many supporters have done so in the very recent past.
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Old 30th May 2009, 14:48
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i would much rather have match winners like Shahzaib, Nazir, Afridi, Akmal, Fawad Alam than has beens who will only win matches in history books like Razzaq and Yousuf and who will cause problems in the dressing room
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Old 30th May 2009, 14:53
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i would much rather have match winners like Shahzaib, Nazir, Afridi, Akmal, Fawad Alam than has beens who will only win matches in history books like Razzaq and Yousuf and who will cause problems in the dressing room
Are you serious? Haw many matches has he played. Yousaf and Razzaq have already proven it at the highest level. Your losing credibility post by post.
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Old 30th May 2009, 15:26
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so what you want Zaheer Abbas and Javed Miandad in the team? they have more experience than yousuf and razzaq and are less traiterous
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Old 30th May 2009, 15:45
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so what you want Zaheer Abbas and Javed Miandad in the team? they have more experience than yousuf and razzaq and are less traiterous
Yousaf ha played 200 more ODIs than Zaheer Abbas. If you want to make an ignorant comment than at least make a decent attempt to support is with facts. This is a matter of opinion but you call in Shahzaib a match winner when he has not even played 1 match yet is very childish. Were not talking about fantasy cricket here.
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Old 30th May 2009, 15:59
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Well guess what Shahzaib is IN the Limited Overs International team and Yousuf isn't (and is only so far being contemplated for Test series) so you are the one playing fantasy cricket.

:-D
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Old 30th May 2009, 16:13
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Well guess what Shahzaib is IN the Limited Overs International team and Yousuf isn't (and is only so far being contemplated for Test series) so you are the one playing fantasy cricket.

:-D
I think Inswinger is talking about ODIs which is what this topic is talking about. If you want to replace Yousuf with this Shazaib fellow... well, no. Yousuf is our best batsman in the two main formats of the game
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ODI stands for One Day Internationals they are also sometimes known as LOI Limited Over Internationals and the 20-20 and 50-50 formats are similar and quite different from the FIVE DAY version of the game.

Thus is is sensible to talk about ODI as inclusive of T20 as they are both of the limited over and one day category.

Strictly speaking Yousuf WAS one of our best batsmen. But it has been two years since that time and he has is AGEING badly.

Look how ruthless Aussies were with Lehman, Martyn, Bevan etc

That is what professional teams do they get rid of the old ageing inadequate players whose time has past.

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Old 30th May 2009, 16:42
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Mohammad Yousuf's last 3 innings

21
25
5

A laughable average of 17 !

And look at the bowler who got him out in one of those games Shahzaib Hasan !!!

*Mohammad Yousuf c Mohammad Hasan b Shahzaib Hasan 25 31 33

http://www.cricketarchive.co.uk/Arch...13/213974.html
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Anyone comparing Yousuf to Shazaib Hasan right now does not know about cricket. Yousuf is a proven legend and has the one of the best records of any Pakistani player in both ODI's and Tests whilst Shazaib hasn't even played a match yet. Shazaib may prove to be a good player but comparing him to Yousuf or saying he is better in any form of the game is a joke as far as I am concerned.
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no-one compared them directly, you must not understand english or the concept of context, the issue is which player will contribute more to Pakistan cricket going forward, a has-been of almost 40 years old who may disrupt the dressing room with his 'seniority' and only has limited shelf life or a young up and coming player like Shahzaib or Fawad Alam who have MUCH better current domestic record than over the hill has-been
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no-one compared them directly, you must not understand english or the concept of context, the issue is which player will contribute more to Pakistan cricket going forward, a has-been of almost 40 years old who may disrupt the dressing room with his 'seniority' and only has limited shelf life or a young up and coming player like Shahzaib or Fawad Alam who have MUCH better current domestic record than over the hill has-been

That's because the over the hill has-been's domestic record includes all the international matches he has played. Scoring runs is much harder on the international level as compared to the domestic level, I'm assuming
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no-one compared them directly, you must not understand english or the concept of context, the issue is which player will contribute more to Pakistan cricket going forward, a has-been of almost 40 years old who may disrupt the dressing room with his 'seniority' and only has limited shelf life or a young up and coming player like Shahzaib or Fawad Alam who have MUCH better current domestic record than over the hill has-been
You always talk about people's comprehension of English yet it seems that you are the one who does not understand English. You first say that you are not comparing them and then compare them. Yousuf is not close to 40 and actually in his mid-thirties. He is still best ODI and test player we have and the records prove this. As mentioned above, his domestic record includes international matches which are of a totally different with much better opposition. His international is among the best of all time for Pakistan in both forms of the game. The other thing is that anyone that is mentally stable will not compare a player who hasn't even made his debut with a legend in any context. Yousuf can still serve Pakistan for a few more years. Shazaib may be a good player but he is still to prove that in international cricket. We need Yousuf. Without him, we have lost series that we should've won and slipped in the rankings. Our batting has collapsed too many times and a reliable batsmen with experience is required.

BTW is there something wrong with you or are you just a habitual liar or just don't understand the Stats? Shazaib Hasan only averages 35.70 in domestic whilst Yousuf averages. 51 +. C'mon man. Seriously how the hell can you even mention Shazaib and Yousuf's domestic record in the same sentence. Stop being unfair to the youngster. The guy deserves a chance in the World Cup but he cannot be compared to Yousuf until he plays at least 10 years of international cricket. He hasn't even made his debut yet!

http://content.cricinfo.com/ci/conte...yer/43650.html
http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Archive/Pl...93/116193.html

Even if with Shazaib Pakistan win the T 20 World Cup, one cannot compare him to Yousuf. It would be similar to comparing Joginder Sharma who bowled the last over to Misbah with Kapil Dev or Kumble which is absolutley ridiculous!

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