The 'Drop Younis Khan from ODIs' Thread [Merged]

[*sallu*]

Originally Posted by IM NOT YOU THIS is the nail in the coffin. Worst ODI innings quite possibly by him ever . this is even worse than a duck. at least a duck leaves the game still in the balance for the rest of the players to come. this type of selfish ugly disgusting hopeless innings just ruins the game. he almost did this against india in the champions trophy but the rest of the team managed to recover. its over for younus khan. i hope people finally see what most of us saw months ago.

Well,
let me tell you one thing

At the end of the day, our problem was that we didn't have enough wickets left for the end.

We over emphasize getting off to a quick start. We would have won today had we made 20 runs lesser in the first 20 but lost 3 less wickets.

We need someone who can stay at the crease for a long time, and I can think of no one better in Pakistan than an inform Younis. That back foot punch of Watson was indication that he is timing the ball okay.

I am sensing a very good innings around the corner

[IM NOT YOU]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Well, let me tell you one thing At the end of the day, our problem was that we didn't have enough wickets left for the end. We over emphasize getting off to a quick start. We would have won today had we made 20 runs lesser in the first 20 but lost 3 less wickets. We need someone who can stay at the crease for a long time, and I can think of no one better in Pakistan than an inform Younis. That back foot punch of Watson was indication that he is timing the ball okay. I am sensing a very good innings around the corner

HERE IS A COMPLETE ANALYSIS OF HIS 0 OFF 17. (notes i made during the game)




2.3 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, short ball, angled across him, defended solidly
2.4 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, goes back and across and defends to cover
-had no intention of making a run, checked the shot with no follow through
2.5 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, plays away from the body this time, gets an inside edge onto the pads
-poor footwork, had no clue what was going on in that delivery
2.6 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, leaves this one alone outside off
-no shot offered




3.3 Harris to Younis Khan, no run, looks to drop and run, but Clarke at cover is alert
-nervous little pat at the ball with nothing going on
3.4 Harris to Younis Khan, no run, back of a length, on off, no room, defended to cove
-another nervous and defensive little attempt at a pat and go with no outcome.. really looking to just tap the ball to the offside and steal a run but nothing going on with that shot.
3.5 Harris to Younis Khan, no run, again stays around off, just short of good length, defended towards cove
-3 of the same shot in a row
3.6 Harris to Younis Khan, no run, slightly fuller, Younis comes forward, and defends towards point
-another little attept at a touch and go with nothing positive coming in the stroke.

4.2 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, driven away from the body, hit two bounce to cove
-again, the little dab to cover , same shot offered as the 4 prevoius shots, nothing coming of it. Seems to really be trying to play the exact same shot again and again with no outcome

4.3 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, still not off the mark, goes back and across and punches it towards cover
-nothing going on here. Pressure rising and it can be seen
4.4 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, slower ball, 133ks, pushed, smack off the middle of the bat, but straight ti mid-off, another loud "No" call from Younis
-exact same defensive little tap toward cover . and the same result. The same fielder .
4.5 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, bouncer now, too short, Younis has enough time to duck under it
-had no chance at any shot against that bouncer. Not even a hint at playing this. 1 of these an over will result in 5 ball overs .(*note: younus khan got out on a bouncer, which he seems to have no idea how to approach)
4.6 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, another solid drive straight to hand, a fumble at short cover but Butt sends him back - rightl
5.3 Harris to Younis Khan, no run

5.4 Harris to Younis Khan, no run, slightly slower, presses forward and defends outside off
-very very poor here younus, nothing going on here with this defensive dab /tap at the ball . exact same shot as all the previous ones. Starts on the back foot then front foot at the last second with a little dab that is going nowhere.
5.5 Harris to Younis Khan, no run, defends right under his head, not taking Harris on
-simply awful. A test stroke this. Nothing going on here
5.6 Harris to Younis Khan, no run
-no shot offered , no result again

[*sallu*]

Originally Posted by IM NOT YOU HERE IS A COMPLETE ANALYSIS OF HIS 0 OFF 17. (notes i made during the game)

I don't really care about your analysis because I haven't said he played the knock of the decade today.
What I am saying is that no one is doubting his temprament and class, and once he finds form, he is the lone guy who can bat for long periods in the country, we fail to play 50 overs again and again. What we need right now, more than any big hitter, is a guy who can bat long periods. And an inform YK is the best man for that job.

[Zu456]

should be dropped until he regains his form

[shaaan]

Originally Posted by IM NOT YOU HERE IS A COMPLETE ANALYSIS OF HIS 0 OFF 17. (notes i made during the game) 2.3 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, short ball, angled across him, defended solidly 2.4 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, goes back and across and defends to cover -had no intention of making a run, checked the shot with no follow through 2.5 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, plays away from the body this time, gets an inside edge onto the pads -poor footwork, had no clue what was going on in that delivery 2.6 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, leaves this one alone outside off -no shot offered 3.3 Harris to Younis Khan, no run, looks to drop and run, but Clarke at cover is alert -nervous little pat at the ball with nothing going on 3.4 Harris to Younis Khan, no run, back of a length, on off, no room, defended to cove -another nervous and defensive little attempt at a pat and go with no outcome.. really looking to just tap the ball to the offside and steal a run but nothing going on with that shot. 3.5 Harris to Younis Khan, no run, again stays around off, just short of good length, defended towards cove -3 of the same shot in a row 3.6 Harris to Younis Khan, no run, slightly fuller, Younis comes forward, and defends towards point -another little attept at a touch and go with nothing positive coming in the stroke. 4.2 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, driven away from the body, hit two bounce to cove -again, the little dab to cover , same shot offered as the 4 prevoius shots, nothing coming of it. Seems to really be trying to play the exact same shot again and again with no outcome 4.3 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, still not off the mark, goes back and across and punches it towards cover -nothing going on here. Pressure rising and it can be seen 4.4 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, slower ball, 133ks, pushed, smack off the middle of the bat, but straight ti mid-off, another loud "No" call from Younis -exact same defensive little tap toward cover . and the same result. The same fielder . 4.5 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, bouncer now, too short, Younis has enough time to duck under it -had no chance at any shot against that bouncer. Not even a hint at playing this. 1 of these an over will result in 5 ball overs .(*note: younus khan got out on a bouncer, which he seems to have no idea how to approach) 4.6 Bollinger to Younis Khan, no run, another solid drive straight to hand, a fumble at short cover but Butt sends him back - rightl 5.3 Harris to Younis Khan, no run 5.4 Harris to Younis Khan, no run, slightly slower, presses forward and defends outside off -very very poor here younus, nothing going on here with this defensive dab /tap at the ball . exact same shot as all the previous ones. Starts on the back foot then front foot at the last second with a little dab that is going nowhere. 5.5 Harris to Younis Khan, no run, defends right under his head, not taking Harris on -simply awful. A test stroke this. Nothing going on here 5.6 Harris to Younis Khan, no run -no shot offered , no result again

Boy you really don't like YK do you.....If you are Afridi fan then I could have created a novel of his batting up to now....Don't take me worng I am want Afridi to become a captain...but when someone is out of form then this type of analyis is quite common...so I say just relaxxxx.

[shaaan]

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[shaaan]

Originally Posted by IM NOT YOU THIS is the nail in the coffin. Worst ODI innings quite possibly by him ever . this is even worse than a duck. at least a duck leaves the game still in the balance for the rest of the players to come. this type of selfish ugly disgusting hopeless innings just ruins the game. he almost did this against india in the champions trophy but the rest of the team managed to recover. its over for younus khan. i hope people finally see what most of us saw months ago.

can you check pontings strike rate in this ODI series...not much better than YK's. In fact he slowed down Aus as well but they have other players who are lifting the team up when ponting is not in form. Unfortunately for us, no one is in form except Salman, Umer Akmal and Afridi.

[IM NOT YOU]

Originally Posted by shaaan can you check pontings strike rate in this ODI series...not much better than YK's. In fact he slowed down Aus as well but they have other players who are lifting the team up when ponting is not in form. Unfortunately for us, no one is in form except Salman, Umer Akmal and Afridi.

are you really , really dumb enough to compare ricky ponting to younus khan?

please man , bring some sense into your posts. because thats really just awful and rediculous.

[sayf]

Boggles my mind that Younis Khan has played 221 ODI matches while being perhaps the poorest international #3 of any major team during that period.

Look at the stats against major teams:

In 23 games against Australia, averages 15.77 at a strikerate of 57
In 17 games against England, averages 28.86, strike rate of 71
In 22 games against NewZealand, averages 27, strike rate of 68
In 34 games against SouthAfrica, averages 26.48, strikerate of 67
In 16 games against West Indies, averages 28.80, strikerate of 66

It is only against Srilanka (averages 32) and India (averages 39) that
he comes CLOSE to having respectable stats.

To have played over 200 matches at the most important position in the line-up with those stats and test match strikerates, and STILL be thought of as a "dependable" batsman is an incredible feat of public relations. Not only does he bring the game to a dead halt but he goes nowhere while doing so. Bring ANYONE from the domestic circuit and give him 200+ games and watch become a reliable, semi-decent batsman while scoring at a fair strikerate.
No other major team would have tolerated such performance standards for this stretch of time for a top order player who isn't an all-rounder. It's one of the major reasons we aren't a top ODI side.

[kriskmk]

all good and valid points.

[Shoaib356]

outttt

no need for younis

[PakPeace]

i have no respect for this guy whatsoever

[AZ]

bekaar ODI player, always was.

[salman24]

He is not a bad player. But there is no way in hell that he deserved a place over Mohammad Yousuf or Shaoib Malik.

I can't believe Yousuf didn't play. The whole WOrld Cup I was wishing that he could get in somehow but it never happened. One of the highest averaging players in ODI's with a superb record and he didn't get a chance to play his final World Cup. I really think it's a crime.

[Gabbar Singh]

Ouch I didn't realise they were that bad, in particular his strike rate.

What about his partnership making ability though, any better?

Anyone have the stats for how many runs and at what strike rate he put on with Inzi & MoYo?

I bet that looks a lot better.

[salman24]

Yousuf only had bad figures in his last 10 ODI's. Could someone post similar stats of the legend. Just so we can see how much of a selection blunder it is. Thanks.

Younis deserves to play tests and is a class player but in comparison to Yousuf in ODI's he can't even compare.

[MajidBhuta-AamirFan]

Originally Posted by sayf Boggles my mind that Younis Khan has played 221 ODI matches while being perhaps the poorest international #3 of any major team during that period. Look at the stats against major teams: In 23 games against Australia, averages 15.77 at a strikerate of 57 In 17 games against England, averages 28.86, strike rate of 71 In 22 games against NewZealand, averages 27, strike rate of 68 In 34 games against SouthAfrica, averages 26.48, strikerate of 67 In 16 games against West Indies, averages 28.80, strikerate of 66 It is only against Srilanka (averages 32) and India (averages 39) that he comes CLOSE to having respectable stats. To have played over 200 matches at the most important position in the line-up with those stats and test match strikerates, and STILL be thought of as a "dependable" batsman is an incredible feat of public relations. Not only does he bring the game to a dead halt but he goes nowhere while doing so. Bring ANYONE from the domestic circuit and give him 200+ games and watch become a reliable, semi-decent batsman while scoring at a fair strikerate. No other major team would have tolerated such performance standards for this stretch of time for a top order player who isn't an all-rounder. It's one of the major reasons we aren't a top ODI side.

thanks you posted his records for each country i posted his list of failures 100 times. he is most odi failed player from all top 8 teams at number 3 positions.
one thing many people never think that he always create big big pressure on other end batsman mostly who had to give up with his wicket bcoz some body has to make runs from one end with to compensate the other blocked end.

for first four batsmen for any team u can reply on stats but better after five stats are not same thing as for first four! like first four batsm mostly get out and their avgs are the true avgs but last four can be many times not outs so u can't trust on that avgs things for last fours but definitely u can trust on stats for first four batsman. thats what i learned in 30 years!
younis khan stats was very clear before worldcup that he is a failed player and his only hope two team against SL and against India..

[MOHAMMED_Umar]

This is Kinda Shocking.

Didn't know his Stats were THIS Bad.

Always knew he was Part of Collapses, but these Stats are Unbelievable for a Player of His Class, Someone, who Averages 50 in Tests.

DISAPPOINTED.

[Afridi_Fan]

And all the cracks are now looking like HUGE holes.

[Gabbar Singh]

Originally Posted by salman24 Yousuf only had bad figures in his last 10 ODI's. Could someone post similar stats of the legend. Just so we can see how much of a selection blunder it is. Thanks. Younis deserves to play tests and is a class player but in comparison to Yousuf in ODI's he can't even compare.

Aus - Average of 38 @ sr of 71.
SA - 35 @ 73.
Eng - 39 @ 60
Ind - 38 @ 83.
SL - 34 @ 67.

[salman24]

Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh Aus - Average of 38 @ sr of 71. SA - 35 @ 73. Eng - 39 @ 60 Ind - 38 @ 83. SL - 34 @ 67.

Thanks those numbers look good. High 30's against all the top nations. 38 against India at an SR of 83 ! An overall average of 41.71 at a SR of 75, with 15 centuries and 64 fifties, and he's not in the side.

It's very sad. It's all a case of Pakistani mentality that every player is good regardless of numbers and test match success means ODI success. Moyo shouldn't have been dropped. He deserved a last World Cup.

[MajidBhuta-AamirFan]

Originally Posted by MOHAMMED_Umar This is Kinda Shocking. Didn't know his Stats were THIS Bad. Always knew he was Part of Collapses, but these Stats are Unbelievable for a Player of His Class, Someone, who Averages 50 in Tests. DISAPPOINTED.

thats what i am saying from years , he is very poor odi player and his fans are mixing his test cricket and odi cricket..

i wana let u more thing, his stats are very poor even List Matches while again very good in first class four day matches..

even domestic cricket clearly tell which kind of player he is!

even when he played his first for second match during wasim akram's captain, after match i called my friend and told him even though he hit couple of boundaried but i not impressed with with him at all, looked me very limited quality player for odis.. i said at that time he can play test cricket but i am confertable with him in odis..
luckily he survided this long coz he was hiding behind three very great batsmen, saeed anwer, inzi and yousaf.. when these three were playing and one of them was always used to get big socre and then others need not big scores.. younis was inzi friends list but was not agree with him in odi team.. selectors send shahid yousif for odis but inzi never gave him chance and prefered younis over new players.. where younis scored lot of runs in test but badly failed in odis.. his problem in odis when all fielders are in cirlce and if ball is on off side then he gives them that ball with a lot less power and brings his bat from little hight which reduced the power of the timing plus trying to play ball on match which is good for test cricket but u need find gap for odi cricket.. he played the same ball with same way even even there are already 20 dots there!

[MajidBhuta-AamirFan]

Originally Posted by Afridi_Fan And all the cracks are now looking like HUGE holes.

Afridi_Fan , man many people saying the same thing but many like you were just closing eyes and trying to fight very hard back on them...

if you read posts on the selections i am sure thousands were against younis..

if you listen any single expert they are not agree sending misbah and younis together..

if you read the posts before even start of worldcup these cracks found these huge hole years ago not now, but what we say when body don't want to lsiten or even wantt to slap hard on these cracks!

[salman24]

Last time we played against India. Look at the 2 players that scored. They both deserved to play before Younis. I would've added Misbah to the list but he was still in some kind of form so it's fine if he was there.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/iccct200...ch/415278.html

[Zoab_Khan]

You guys are fools. Younis Khan was always a team player. Don't forget for 75% of his career he batted at #6 or #7...

As for Malik and Yousuf.
Yousuf is 45years old. Shoaib Malik is a indian.

[MajidBhuta-AamirFan]

Originally Posted by Afridi_Fan And all the cracks are now looking like HUGE holes.

could you me just single thing, can any perosn on the planet use power play the way our captain and batmen did yesterday?

when 40th over start every single person on the planet start screeming(who were wathcing the match and want to see india lose from all countried including all experts) if u have to win then only way to take the power play..

i don't know when we stop some blind support and start realizing the storm before it take away food on dining table!

one more thing, is it first time that afridi did that.. not take the power play and then next ball try to big hit and give catch even on off side of boundary...
if you have a litle brain then if you want to hit then take a power play otherwise don't give the catch to boundary fielder try to take singles..
in every match in against SA series and then in NZ and now in worldcup he did the same thing.. very simple is that if you hit the ball after taking power play then catch u are used to given to filder could conver into four!

supporting team and captain is good but support for brainless things just is just a bling support!

[Rizie]

where are the Younis Lovers now??

[Rizie]

Originally Posted by Zoab_Khan You guys are fools. Younis Khan was always a team player. Don't forget for 75% of his career he batted at #6 or #7... As for Malik and Yousuf. Yousuf is 45years old. Shoaib Malik is a indian.

like if YK could get a spot ahead of Ijaz, Inzi and Yousuf back then

[AmmarAshraf]

Reason:

He spent about 3/4 of his career at No 3 position. No one was accepting that position at all. Every one refused to come at that position. Out Openers were horrible. Remember Inzamam and Mohammad Yousuf refused to come 1 down and then he is the only one who accepted that position.


Recall your memory. After Saeed Anwar/Aamer Sohail, Did we find any good Opener in our Team?

We always get a Poor start from our opener. A good 30 odd runs by a NO 3 position at that time was required. He was providing that. Yea SR is also not healthy. Reason, at that time Our plan was to save wicket and then go for a kill. Remember its easy to score when ball is old. But its not easy to score when ball is new and moving. His job was to take the shine away and try to stabilize thing.

Yea No 4 5 per regular kehlta tu aj is ki bhi average 40s main hoti aur SR main 80s main hota.


Yes game is changed now.



It is a time to scrap him from ODIs. Asad Shafiq is a good replacement of Younis Khan at no 3

[Gollum]

where are the Younis Lovers now??

All Younis lovers are NOT his lovers due to his ODI record. This Younis lover wasn't exactly pleased when he started playing T20 after retirement either. He is our best Test batsman by far probably even best Test player at the moment full stop!

[Express Pace]

So what if his record poor, we have given every tried and tested failures chances, they aren't good enough either. You make it sound like we are keeping our prodigiously talented batsmen out of the team for YK. Good test players usually have a place in the ODI team, hence his inclusion over the years.

[MajidBhuta-AamirFan]

Originally Posted by Zoab_Khan You guys are fools. Younis Khan was always a team player. Don't forget for 75% of his career he batted at #6 or #7... As for Malik and Yousuf. Yousuf is 45years old. Shoaib Malik is a indian.

if moyo is 45 i am sure younis khan is less than 43 either.. i never understand the true difinition of team player.. a one player scored once after ever 14 matches i don't how comes that player called be team player.. on the other hand a player used to score 10 times our 14 how comes can't be team player!

some people are bringing yousaf last 10 odis those are just cherry best pick things.. that was in nz and aus and all players failed there!
this worldcup was on flat tracks where not on bouncy tracks.. on flat tracks a person who good timer of the ball always get successful while some stop one millions balls before take first things cost the other side batsmen wickets too!

[Love Pakistan]

Younis should be playing tests though............ Just throw him out of one days.........

I am not trying to support him but he is the only third Pakistani to do this:

But now, he has just lost it completely....... such a shame!

[Wiji]

The comments in this thread are totally unfair. It is not realistic to expect everyone to be a Ponting. Players like him come once every 50 years or so.

Younis Khan would've made it to any ODI team, except Australia and India perhaps. That's a fact.

If you want proof, then look at Jayawardene.

I can also say that SL fans treat Jayawardene with a lot more dignity and respect than we treat Younis Khan.

Add to that, Younis Khan practically played as an opener. That's how bad our openers are.

Younis Khan was definitely not suited for ODIs as compared to Tests. He will go down as a legendary Pakistani Test batsman, but will not be remembered much for his ODI career. But to say that he is the worst number 3 batsman is a huge exaggeration.

[paki007]

Every player has his time and Younis's time has gone

[GOAT]

Originally Posted by abma2k Reason: He spent about 3/4 of his career at No 3 position. No one was accepting that position at all. Every one refused to come at that position. Out Openers were horrible. Remember Inzamam and Mohammad Yousuf refused to come 1 down and then he is the only one who accepted that position. Recall your memory. After Saeed Anwar/Aamer Sohail, Did we find any good Opener in our Team? We always get a Poor start from our opener. A good 30 odd runs by a NO 3 position at that time was required. He was providing that. Yea SR is also not healthy. Reason, at that time Our plan was to save wicket and then go for a kill. Remember its easy to score when ball is old. But its not easy to score when ball is new and moving. His job was to take the shine away and try to stabilize thing. Yea No 4 5 per regular kehlta tu aj is ki bhi average 40s main hoti aur SR main 80s main hota. Yes game is changed now. It is a time to scrap him from ODIs. Asad Shafiq is a good replacement of Younis Khan at no 3

Yup, the stats don't tell the full story in this case though some of those averages are downright appalling .

Take a look on the list of runs scored for Pakistan, his average is more or less in line with the 30's you're going to see on the list. The only really superb ODI bats we've had are Zaheer, Saeed, Inzi, MoYo and Miandad. That's 5 batsmen.

Now, all things considered I think it's time Younis retires from one days or maybe replaces Misbah down the order just to keep the senior quota.

[JellyBro]

THANK YOU for starting this thread. Younis Khan is overrated to the 10th power. Its actually laughable to compare him with Yousuf who i believe was THE BEST batsman Pakistan ever produced. Younis is nothing more than a naggy little cry baby who doesn't realize how terrible of a player he really is. It would have been better if he hadn't quit his day job as a wedding photographer to rejoin the team!

[salman24]

Originally Posted by Express Pace So what if his record poor, we have given every tried and tested failures chances, they aren't good enough either. You make it sound like we are keeping our prodigiously talented batsmen out of the team for YK. Good test players usually have a place in the ODI team, hence his inclusion over the years.

Ahem Mohammad Yousuf and Shoaib Malik!

I agree if these 2 were not there then he could've played but why weren't these 2 selected. They were both in the probables list.

Younis is not a bad player and should be in tests. He can also play ODI's as he is alright (nothing great but acceptable) but not in place of Yousuf and Malilk. That's preposterous.

[cricketpassion]

No need to play him in 20-20 and odi please .Keep him in test if you want .The guy has cost us twice in big matches .Semi final 2009 champions trophy where he dropped the important catch against NZ and yesterday when he dropped Tendulkar on 40{THAT WAS ONE REASON TENDU SCORED 85** .

[ads101]

ok let's dispell some myths.

He was a good ODI player. Problem is he wasn't good for the whole of his career. From 2002-2008, peaking in 2008 where he had an average over 50, he was a reliable ODI player.

Since 2009 onwards his ODI form has been lost, and he's averaged 20 something in all years of 2009,2010, 2011. He ideally should have retired already from limited overs. His strike rate has also been noticeably lower in these years too. Not even exceeding 70.


Younis for some reason performed at no.6. This is not an easy position to perform at, Malik himself who tried to make it his own, averaged just 28. Younis averaged 44, contributing many matchwinning performances at this position and scoring with much more relative ease. The Younis of recent late found it difficult to immediately start hitting the fast bowlers. Which was a problem.

He should retire yes. But people calling him a worthless player is ridiculous. He was a good ODI batsman for a 7 year stretch.

[DeadlyVenom]

Reminds me a lot of Michael Vaughan. Great in tests but just handle ODI cricket for some reason.

[ayemgilani86]

if yousuf is so good he should have had the bravery to come at no 3
both him and malik are cowards
and younis even with his average has won us more games in one day and played more important knocks then yousuf who with all his talent and skill only played for himself

[AZ]

Originally Posted by ads101 ok let's dispell some myths. He was a good ODI player. Problem is he wasn't good for the whole of his career. From 2002-2008, peaking in 2008 where he had an average over 50, he was a reliable ODI player. Since 2009 onwards his ODI form has been lost, and he's averaged 20 something in all years of 2009,2010, 2011. He ideally should have retired already from limited overs. His strike rate has also been noticeably lower in these years too. Not even exceeding 70. Younis for some reason performed at no.6. This is not an easy position to perform at, Malik himself who tried to make it his own, averaged just 28. Younis averaged 44, contributing many matchwinning performances at this position and scoring with much more relative ease. The Younis of recent late found it difficult to immediately start hitting the fast bowlers. Which was a problem. He should retire yes. But people calling him a worthless player is ridiculous. He was a good ODI batsman for a 7 year stretch.

how many innocuous not outs are there in his innings at number 6?

surely such a great player couldn't lose his average by 12-13 points just because of him batting in the top order.

[sayf]

Originally Posted by Zoab_Khan You guys are fools. Younis Khan was always a team player. Don't forget for 75% of his career he batted at #6 or #7... As for Malik and Yousuf. Yousuf is 45years old. Shoaib Malik is a indian.

75% of his career at #6 or #7??

He's played 98 games at #3, 26 games at #4, 50 games at #5.
That's 174 games or 78% in the top order, almost half at #3.

He's only played 28 games at #6 and 7 games at #7.
That's 35 out of 221 games or 16%.

Who cares if he's a team player if he's a mediocre ODI player???
This isn't a sportsmanship contest!

[saeed-sohail]

I said before the world cup that YK didn't deserve to be in ODI side.Early part of his career he batted too low but was fantastic from 05-08 averging 40 with SR of 80.But his performances declined alarmingly since CT 09.

[ads101]

Originally Posted by AZ how many innocuous not outs are there in his innings at number 6? surely such a great player couldn't lose his average by 12-13 points just because of him batting in the top order.

5 not outs. But when he was not out, he usually saw Pakistan home.

Didn't say he would have had a higher average at no.6. But he did perform at that position when he played.

Dunno why I mentioned it really. But the point that he was a good player from 2002-2008

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom Reminds me a lot of Michael Vaughan. Great in tests but just handle ODI cricket for some reason.

Miles better then vaughan its just he is no good anymore.

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by kriskmk all good and valid points.

All these type of points were made by me 6/7 years ago and nothing has changed! still a tried and tested failure in ODIs!

[shaaan]

Originally Posted by abma2k Reason: He spent about 3/4 of his career at No 3 position. No one was accepting that position at all. Every one refused to come at that position. Out Openers were horrible. Remember Inzamam and Mohammad Yousuf refused to come 1 down and then he is the only one who accepted that position. Recall your memory. After Saeed Anwar/Aamer Sohail, Did we find any good Opener in our Team? We always get a Poor start from our opener. A good 30 odd runs by a NO 3 position at that time was required. He was providing that. Yea SR is also not healthy. Reason, at that time Our plan was to save wicket and then go for a kill. Remember its easy to score when ball is old. But its not easy to score when ball is new and moving. His job was to take the shine away and try to stabilize thing. Yea No 4 5 per regular kehlta tu aj is ki bhi average 40s main hoti aur SR main 80s main hota. Yes game is changed now. It is a time to scrap him from ODIs. Asad Shafiq is a good replacement of Younis Khan at no 3

Thanks for summing it up nicely. This is the exact reason he has played in so many games when greats like MoYo and Inzi were chicken not to come at one down position. Even our new most talented player (UA) refuses to play at 3.

Finally we have Asad Shafique who is willing to come down at 3rd, so yes YK should make way for him.

As Wiji mentioned...No one can be ponting. Look at Jayawardae average. He is in the same boat as YK

[saeed-sohail]

Yousaf and malik also struggled after that CT game.

[DeadlyVenom]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail Miles better then vaughan its just he is no good anymore.

Yeah he probably is better than Vaughan I meant that they are similar because they both were considered good test players but just couldnt change their tempo for the ODI's.

A better comparison would be with Mahela Jayawardne. Very similar record in ODIs.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed All these type of points were made by me 6/7 years ago and nothing has changed! still a tried and tested failure in ODIs!

YK was one of our best ODI players 05-08.You probably slept through those four years.

[ads101]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail YK was one of our best ODI players 05-08.You probably slept through those four years.

2002 was also one of his best years too. Got 12 half centuries in that year, with an average over 40.

From 2002-2008 really he was a good ODI player. 2005-2008 he went through a golden period.

[Afridi_Fan]

Bhutta Sahib merey peechey per gaye hain. Ab mein kia keron?

[Cover Drive]

I might need a proper checkup but I was shocked at the fact that Sallu Bhai did not comment in this thread!

Wow!!

[MajidBhuta-AamirFan]

Originally Posted by ayemgilani86 if yousuf is so good he should have had the bravery to come at no 3 both him and malik are cowards and younis even with his average has won us more games in one day and played more important knocks then yousuf who with all his talent and skill only played for himself

i don't know why we couldn't see that great knocks!

some people are always good to make their own theories while stats says everything that believe 100% true for both younis and yousaf to see how apple is sood than a raw green watermelon.

anyhow both had past their times...anyhow if there was any young player for younis khan yesterday we could have now in mumbai!

[Wiji]

Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom A better comparison would be with Mahela Jayawardne. Very similar record in ODIs.

Yeah. I pointed that out above as well.

[sully3]

anyone who uses his brain to see through pak cricket realises he is a very Average odi player. seeing his number average has a number 3 makes him one of the worst.

play shafiq for 200 odd odi's and he will be averaging 40 easily. a bit suspect for bowls outside off though, which I'm time he will learn to leave.

[sayf]

Originally Posted by shaaan As Wiji mentioned...No one can be ponting. Look at Jayawardae average. He is in the same boat as YK

Let's look at Jayawardane's stats against the same major teams, shall we:

Australia: Average 30, strike rate 76 (MUCH better than YK)
England: Average 41, strike rate 83 (MUCH MUCH better than YK)
NZ: Average 33, strike rate 73 (better than YK)
Windies: Average 44, strike rate 85 (MUCH better than YK)
South Africa: Averages 25, strike rate 70 (yk averages 26, strike rate 67)

YK only averages better against India.
Jayawardene's overall average isn't boosted by minnows (actually averages more against top teams). YK's is.

[DeadlyVenom]

Originally Posted by Wiji Yeah. I pointed that out above as well.

Sorry didn't see that post when I posted! They both have similar averages but I know who I would rather have in a team and its not

[octavian]

Y has been a good servant of pak cricket. Never was great at ODI's to begin with and now really has gone past it.

He still has a couple of years of test cricket in him but in ODI he is done.

[RedFlow]

In 221 matches 6 hunderds and one of them against HongKong. 3 against India, 1 against England and West Indies(in 2008). 5 of hundreds on subcontinent pitches and only 1 in England.

No hundred against Australia, South Africa, Sri Lanka and New Zealand! I think these four countries got good bowling attacks.

No hundred against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe(Played 32 matches against them combined)

Against Australia only 1 fifty(56 is his highest score against Aus)

In 174 out of 221 matches he got out under 50.

[AZ]

whattaplaya.

[salman24]

Originally Posted by RedFlow In 221 matches 6 hunderds and one of them against HongKong. 3 against India, 1 against England and West Indies(in 2008). 5 of hundreds on subcontinent pitches and only 1 in England. No hundred against Australia, South Africa, Sri Lanka and New Zealand! I think these four countries got good bowling attacks. No hundred against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe(Played 32 matches against them combined) Against Australia only 1 fifty(56 is his highest score against Aus) In 174 out of 221 matches he got out under 50.

I don't blame anyone but the PCB. Even when Yousuf was captain he wanted YK in Australia where he actually might have helped us but what did PCB do. They sent him for ODI's where he is not that good and not for tests.

[the SHA]

He has a role. But when sandwiched by nudgers in the middle order its just not going to work for him more times than not.

[*sallu*]

Big time underachiever in ODIs, should have averaged more

Should be dropped now, has gotten enough chances and not been consistent enough.

Still made more than 6000 runs at average of greater than 30 which are respectable ODI stats for a middle order batsman.

[PerfectionPersonified]

He is a Pathetic ODI player but trust me ..just wait someone would still come up with ridiculous idea of having him in the ODI

we have tried him for over 200 matches definitely doesn't know how to pace innings at ODI level

[salman24]

Originally Posted by PerfectionPersonified He is a Pathetic ODI player but trust me ..just wait someone would still come up with ridiculous idea of having him in the ODI we have tried him for over 200 matches definitely doesn't know how to pace innings at test level

I wouldn't say he is pathetic. He was alright but not better than other players we could've played. That's the only problem I have.

[sayf]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Big time underachiever in ODIs, should have averaged more Should be dropped now, has gotten enough chances and not been consistent enough. Still made more than 6000 runs at average of greater than 30 which are respectable ODI stats for a middle order batsman.

The whole point of the thread was to show how his overall average of 31 is deceiving and that his performances against top quality opposition have been anything but respectable. It doesn't matter if a batsman scores 6000 runs when he's averaging in the mid 20's (15 against Australia) at a strike rate below 70. The argument that there wasn't any better option doesn't make sense since we never gave any player over 200 chances to prove himself (most players aren't even given a run of 5 games to establish themselves).

[Amoeba]

For me I've always felt the only slot available to him in the odi team is to open. He failed to take that responsibility. Even now Younis & Asad could make a good opening partnership - mix of youth and experience.

But if he is not willing to step up then he has to step out.

[GOAT]

Originally Posted by Amoeba For me I've always felt the only slot available to him in the odi team is to open. He failed to take that responsibility. Even now Younis & Asad could make a good opening partnership - mix of youth and experience. But if he is not willing to step up then he has to step out.

The only spot no one wanted to bat at was number 3, and Younis stepped up for that. Admittedly the return isn't great but you can't say he shirked the responsibility onto others as some batsmen have done.

As for Younis and Asad opening - lol.

[Amoeba]

What is wrong with Asad and Younis opening? More natural openers than Akmal and Hafeez.
Younis is not suited to number 3 in odis because he can't force the pace straight away if we get off to a good start. He always slows down the run rate whether we are 0-1 or 100-1.

[GOAT]

Younis has basically played most his career as an opener, more or less, and he's being criticized for it here. Asad tried it out against South Africa - didn't quite work that well either. He's pretty well suited to the number 3 or 4 role IMO.

I'd rather see Azhar Ali open in One dayers from now on. Specialist opener and good fielder to boot.

[Amoeba]

I wouldn't want Azhar Ali in odis. He is a specialist test batsman and wouldn't want to ruin his technique and temperament by playing jamodis.

Asad opens domestically. Yes his first stint didn't work but he is young in his career. As for Younis if he has effectively opened for most of his career then he should have actually opened rather send lambs like Hafeez to the slaughter....

[GOAT]

Because Younis had the choice of who his openers were? Right.

[Amoeba]

Originally Posted by LowkeyP Because Younis had the choice of who his openers were? Right.

Even by your own admission the opening partnerships haven't worked on a whole. As a senior player - the next one in line he must have been asked to open over the years. If not he should have stepped up especially when he was Skipper and in charge of the batting order.

[GOAT]

You're making very little sense Amoeba. These kind of decisions aren't made by senior players, its team management and selectors. Unless you know about a selector offering this position seriously to Younis and I don't, then we can talk, otherwise this is a pointless exercise.

[saeed-sohail]

These are Pakistani batsmen in ODIs from sep 04 to dec 08.

Mohammad Yousuf 2004-2008 87 83 15 3157 117 46.42 77.35 6 22

Shoaib Malik 2004-2008 91 85 12 2957 125* 40.50 81.12 2 25

Younis Khan 2004-2008 71 69 5 2447 123* 38.23 83.06 5 16

Salman Butt 2004-2008 59 59 3 2185 136 39.01 77.70 7 9

Inzamam-ul-Haq 2004-2007 52 48 10 1662 81* 43.73 82.11 0 13

[Amoeba]

Originally Posted by LowkeyP You're making very little sense Amoeba. These kind of decisions aren't made by senior players, its team management and selectors. Unless you know about a selector offering this position seriously to Younis and I don't, then we can talk, otherwise this is a pointless exercise.

Do you know how the dynamics of a cricket team works? The captain and selectors will consult senior players to talk through ideas etc. They don't simply command from above. Also don't forget that Younis was skipper at times and therefore a selector and in charge of the batting order.

[ddss]

Sorry but Younis is done, he should play tests only.

Try Malik