Schreib nie die Deutschen ab! - The Official German World Cup Thread

[Radiance Of Australis]

Can anybody confirm that Muller is not gonna play in the semis?

[Chasing Cars]

Originally Posted by Super Sixer Can anybody confirm that Muller is not gonna play in the semis?

It said on the Fifa live match cast yesterday just after the first half...

[hasanb]

Yeah unfortunately Muller will miss the semi final due to the cheating antics as per usual of the argentines.

Although to be fair i guess any team wouldve done the same, but still.

[DHONI183]

Sauber gemacht von Deutschen!!!

^Cleanly done by the Germans^

[DHONI183]

Originally Posted by cric_fan82 Werden gegen Argentinien verlieren

4-0

[cric_fan82]

Originally Posted by dhoni183 4-0

[cric_fan82]

Originally Posted by hasanb Yeah unfortunately Muller will miss the semi final due to the cheating antics as per usual of the argentines. Although to be fair i guess any team wouldve done the same, but still.

there is no cheating in football, this is what i have learnt with time and more importantly leart to digest it

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by hasanb Yeah unfortunately Muller will miss the semi final due to the cheating antics as per usual of the argentines. Although to be fair i guess any team wouldve done the same, but still.

Its not the Argentinians fault he is missing the semi-final, blame the referee who made the daft decision

[Geordie Ahmed]

I have by and large been a neutral in this tournament (well I have supported anyone playing England) BUT I have finally decided who I would like to win this tournament and it is Germany - i'm not suddenly a German fan (I aint a glory seeker) BUT they have been the side I have mostly enjoyed watching - I like the side that they have built and it is the most multi-cultural side in the tournament

GO GERMANY

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Its not the Argentinians fault he is missing the semi-final, blame the referee who made the daft decision

Thats actually a fair point.

[Radiance Of Australis]

Who else isnt playing?
I never knew he got a yellow card.I missed the first half of the game.

[d0gers]

[AZ]

Kaala Jaadu!

[zulfiqar]

Originally Posted by hasanb Yeah unfortunately Muller will miss the semi final due to the cheating antics as per usual of the argentines. Although to be fair i guess any team wouldve done the same, but still.

Cheating antics? Are you blind or did you not watch at all? What did Argentina have to do with the refree giving a yellow card on that handball?

[zulfiqar]

Originally Posted by d0gers

The authour could've included the first 4 titles as well...

URUGUAY
ITALY
ITALY
URUGUAY

and made smaller semi-circles there kinda freaky

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by zulfiqar Cheating antics? Are you blind or did you not watch at all? What did Argentina have to do with the refree giving a yellow card on that handball?

The cheating antics was that messi hand balled first...and it was a much more blatant hand ball than mullers accidental one, yet he had the nerve to appeal for a handball.

Now if you yourself are too blind to have seen the whole incident then apna mou band rakh or learn to debate in a civilised manner, its not that hard to do.

[zulfiqar]

Originally Posted by hasanb The cheating antics was that messi hand balled first...and it was a much more blatant hand ball than mullers accidental one, yet he had the nerve to appeal for a handball. Now if you yourself are too blind to have seen the whole incident then apna mou band rakh or learn to debate in a civilised manner, its not that hard to do.

What was civilized about accusing him of cheating antics?

1) Messi's was not a handball, he used his chest/upper arm
2) Muller's was

Did he deserve a yellow? No. Did Messi "cheat"? What is civilized about accusing someone of "cheating antics"? It's absurd if you think Messi is responsible for Muller's yellow

[zulfiqar]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed I have by and large been a neutral in this tournament (well I have supported anyone playing England) BUT I have finally decided who I would like to win this tournament and it is Germany - i'm not suddenly a German fan (I aint a glory seeker) BUT they have been the side I have mostly enjoyed watching - I like the side that they have built and it is the most multi-cultural side in the tournament GO GERMANY

Last tournament when Germans knocked out Argentina I also supported them (maybe it has to do with the 4 years of German I took in high school?) My support was bad luck I guess though as they lost the semis Germans winning would be totally deserving but I think it'll be nice to have a team that hasn't won yet to lift this WC

[zulfiqar]

In fact, even if you think Messi handball'ed, it still isn't cheating so don't know what you're on about, as it was the refree's call

[zulfiqar]

U know what's funny.. there are some people who are no where near being German (or know much about their football) but are trash talking Argentina for no reason at all. They probably never saw the '06 QF and thus don't know of any rivalry what so ever, but are basking in Germany's glory. These are the same guys that will start rooting for another country the moment Germany are knocked out (if they are knocked out, which would take some playing by Spain). Just posers most of them.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by zulfiqar In fact, even if you think Messi handball'ed, it still isn't cheating so don't know what you're on about, as it was the refree's call

Exactly. Even if Messi was asking for the handball, he wasn't asking for a card (it was a handball). He probably thought it was accidental but it was the stupid ref that gave the yellow thinking he meant to do it.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by zulfiqar U know what's funny.. there are some people who are no where near being German (or know much about their football) but are trash talking Argentina for no reason at all. They probably never saw the '06 QF and thus don't know of any rivalry what so ever, but are basking in Germany's glory. These are the same guys that will start rooting for another country the moment Germany are knocked out (if they are knocked out, which would take some playing by Spain). Just posers most of them.

Yeah I agree.

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by zulfiqar U know what's funny.. there are some people who are no where near being German (or know much about their football) but are trash talking Argentina for no reason at all. They probably never saw the '06 QF and thus don't know of any rivalry what so ever, but are basking in Germany's glory. These are the same guys that will start rooting for another country the moment Germany are knocked out (if they are knocked out, which would take some playing by Spain). Just posers most of them.

Firstly learn how to spell...its referee...not refree chal ab baat kar.

Who are you accusing of being a glory supporter exactly? before i lay into you for this i want to make sure if you are accusing me of it or someone else. Also keep in mind that i have been a proud and loyal german & bayern supporter for 20 years through thick and thin.

Now tell me who are you accusing of being a glory supporter?

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by Amir Exactly. Even if Messi was asking for the handball, he wasn't asking for a card (it was a handball). He probably thought it was accidental but it was the stupid ref that gave the yellow thinking he meant to do it.

Yes and i already said that Geordie's point was fair enough did i not? You see the thing is geordie knows how to post sensibly rather than telling someone hes blind or a glory supporter dont you think?

Also i would like to know your views on maradonas constant waving of imaginary yellow cards from the touchline? Do you feel thats against thespirit of the game?

[Amir]

Originally Posted by hasanb Yes and i already said that Geordie's point was fair enough did i not? You see the thing is geordie knows how to post sensibly rather than telling someone hes blind or a glory supporter dont you think? Also i would like to know your views on maradonas constant waving of imaginary yellow cards from the touchline? Do you feel thats against thespirit of the game?

As much as I love Geordie, I cannot keep up with all his posts.

I would akin Maradona's antics to some players in the Champions League who do that. I think you full well know who I am talking about. What's your opinion on Maradona's antics? Whatever it is, let's just say I have the same view for all who indulge in such activity.

[Amir]

Also keep in mind that i have been a proud and loyal german & bayern supporter for 20 years through thick and thin.

Aren't you the same age as me?

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by Amir Aren't you the same age as me?

I dont know depends how old you are... :younis

[zulfiqar]

I wasn't referring to you as a posing supporter, just many desi people in general. My response was harsh because the accusation was harsh. Calling Messi for "cheating antics" was hardly sensible. Neways, what's done is done. One of the emerging young talents will be denied a chance to continue Germany's run and to try for the Golden Boot (which would not be unrealistic given he's on 3). Refree'ing in general hasn't been too good this WC. Oh wait, before someone calls me on that one, Refereeing*.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by hasanb I dont know depends how old you are... :younis

21. So I want to know how you been supporting Germans when you were one year old?

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by Amir 21. So I want to know how you been supporting Germans when you were one year old?

That would be because im 24 and ive been supporting then since i was a 4-5 year old kid.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by hasanb That would be because im 24 and ive been supporting then since i was a 4-5 year old kid.

WHAT?!?!?!? I thought you were 21 max, in fact I thought you were a year younger. But it turns out you are just another

But it looks like we have a lot in common. You been supporting Germany for 20 years, me United for 22 (have to add the 9 months).

[Chasing Cars]

Originally Posted by Amir WHAT?!?!?!? I thought you were 21 max, in fact I thought you were a year younger. But it turns out you are just another But it looks like we have a lot in common. You been supporting Germany for 20 years, me United for 22 (have to add the 9 months).

Haha at first I thought he was 19

[Amir]

Originally Posted by KhushbuHussain Haha at first I thought he was 19

It's his lack of facial stubble. His smooth face just fools you! :aamir

[Abdullah22]

Originally Posted by Amir It's his lack of facial stubble. His smooth face just fools you! :aamir

So it's his pic in the avatar?? Or am I missing something.

[Chasing Cars]

Originally Posted by Amir It's his lack of facial stubble. His smooth face just fools you! :aamir

Leave the facial hair to one side...its the chubby cheeks! Aww he doesn't look a day older than twelve!

On another note, has anyone heard these daft accusations that Germany were using the special footballs like prior to the tournament, hence why they are winning?

[Chasing Cars]

Originally Posted by Abdullah22 So it's his pic in the avatar?? Or am I missing something.

LOL nooooo thats David Milliband! England's ex foreign secretary!

[Amir]

Leave the facial hair to one side...its the chubby cheeks! Aww he doesn't look a day older than twelve!

From the pictures I saw, not a day over three but looks can be deceiving. He is an -like character.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by KhushbuHussain Leave the facial hair to one side...its the chubby cheeks! Aww he doesn't look a day older than twelve! On another note, has anyone heard these daft accusations that Germany were using the special footballs like prior to the tournament, hence why they are winning?

It would not be a total shock since the footballs were designed in Germany

Even if they have so what - iirc these footballs have been available to all countries for some time now

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by KhushbuHussain LOL nooooo thats David Milliband! England's ex foreign secretary!

and future Prime Minister

[Chasing Cars]

Originally Posted by Amir From the pictures I saw, not a day over three but looks can be deceiving. He is an -like character.

Hahaha Nah jokes part he honestly doesn't look 24

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed It would not be a total shock since the footballs were designed in Germany Even if they have so what - iirc these footballs have been available to all countries for some time now

Exactly!

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed and future Prime Minister

I hope so!

[Radiance Of Australis]

OK OK Guys,we're going off topic.

Back to the semi final discussion,
Since Spain is winning ONLY cause of old Villa,I think Germany has a decent chance of winning against them.

Cause they will know which player to target and be on the lookout for,Villa.
Lets face it,he is the only reason Spain got this far in the world cup.

He scored five out of their six goals.

I hope Germany dont take them lightly and get their revenge of Euro 2008.(Broke my heart,I actually cried too)

[Geordie Ahmed]

I hope not - I dont like him, although he is definately better than the other candidates

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Because of the daft refereeing decision, Muller will miss the next game.

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by hasanb That would be because im 24 and ive been supporting then since i was a 4-5 year old kid.

Good job, we've the same age and we're following germany from the same time - 1990

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by zulfiqar U know what's funny.. there are some people who are no where near being German (or know much about their football) but are trash talking Argentina for no reason at all. They probably never saw the '06 QF and thus don't know of any rivalry what so ever, but are basking in Germany's glory. These are the same guys that will start rooting for another country the moment Germany are knocked out (if they are knocked out, which would take some playing by Spain). Just posers most of them.

I know you're not referring to me but what is it that you're referring to about 2006 QF exactly? I remember every minute of it so can you please kindly elaborate on that?

And I've been supporting them for 20 years. I've cried for them, cheered for them and I'd even have watched them live if luck had given me a chance this time around to go to South Africa.

I was celebrating with germans of my area last night and I'd have shown you some videos if I've loaded them on youtube instead of facebook.

Now as far as Argentina is concerned. I know what I'm talking about. I keep facts and figures in mind.

Argentina has been the most ill mannered and rough side when it comes to football. Out of 64 games they have played in world cups they've got the most yellow and red cards. One of their players was even sent off from bench. Diego Maradonna , no doubt worlds greatest footballer ever used his hand to score a goal, doesn't that count cheating? Messi did the same in a league game.

Here you go:

Latest sending off after penalty shootout: Leandro Cufre ( Argentina), vs Germany, 2006. (Cufré was red carded for kicking Per Mertesacker in an altercation following the match.)

Most sendings off (all-time, team)
10 (in 64 games), Argentina

Most cautions (all-time, team)
88 (in 64 games), Argentina

Sent off from the bench
Claudio Caniggia ( Argentina), vs Sweden, 2002.

Longest suspension (player, doping)
15 months, Diego Maradona ( Argentina vs Nigeria, 1994)[25]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_records

[d0gers]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada Argentina has been the most ill mannered and rough side when it comes to football. Out of 64 games they have played in world cups they've got the most yellow and red cards.

You continue to harp on this whereas I've already showed you that since 1994 Germany have more yellow cards per game than Argentina. They have more red cards from open play i.e. hard fouls on players, than Argentina. In the current tournament they have more yellow cards, more red cards, and more players cautioned for simulation than Argentina. So cut out the bullsh!t.

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by d0gers You continue to harp on this whereas I've already showed you that since 1994 Germany have more yellow cards per game than Argentina. They have more red cards from open play i.e. hard fouls on players, than Argentina. In the current tournament they have more yellow cards, more red cards, and more players cautioned for simulation than Argentina. So cut out the bullsh!t.

haha you include till 1994 to make your stats look better. You were owned when you showed the stats of last 3 world cups so you went till 1994 to make them look a tad better lol. The overall picture is infront of you. Germany played 97 games in world cup, 22 more than Argentina. Advanced to Finals more than Argentina. They will naturally get cautions on their way but if you look at the bigger picture, Argentina stands out as the one playing the rough football and coming down to cheating tactics when it matters.

2002 - Argentine Player was sent off from the bench.

2006 - Argentine Player was sent off due to kicking a German player which is more disgraceful than anything else.

If 2010 is okayish , it wont change the bigger picture. Argentina will have to play 6-7 good world cups in order to better their record of cautions and red cards.

And yes, I'll continue to refer the bigger picture because it clearly represents where Argentina and Germany stands - that is NO COMPARISON WHEN IT COMES TO DISCIPLINE.

[Geordie Ahmed]

WLFC are you still going on about that?

Those stats mean jack - they dont prove anything, especially when things like yellow cards are at the discretion of the referee

Also there are different type of fouls - a late tackles isnt as bad as a "professional" foul, so unless you have a breakdown of each caution I seriously think you are talking nonsense

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed WLFC are you still going on about that? Those stats mean jack - they dont prove anything, especially when things like yellow cards are at the discretion of the referee Also there are different type of fouls - a late tackles isnt as bad as a "professional" foul, so unless you have a breakdown of each caution I seriously think you are talking nonsense

Whatever it is- of course refereeing standards can be debated about but its not me or you who're giving those cautions or red cards. There is an independent body out there. What's in the record book is there to stay.

If the referee on the ground thinks its a caution able offense - they will produce yellow or red cards. I don't need to think or care what you think about is nonsense and what not.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Okay I hate to have to resort to such bakwaas BUT here goes - 1 german player has been booked for diving in this tournament whilst as far as im aware no Argentinans have been

So using your wonderful logic Germans are divers whilst Argentinians are not - agreed?

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Okay I hate to have to resort to such bakwaas BUT here goes - 1 german player has been booked for diving in this tournament whilst as far as im aware no Argentinans have been So using your wonderful logic Germans are divers whilst Argentinians are not - agreed?

Already answered in post # 287

[chacha kashmiri]

the comments before the match by german players as they tried to play mind games and wind up the argentinians were provocative and it's to maradona and the argentinian players credit that they didn't respond in kind.

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri the comments before the match by german players as they tried to play mind games and wind up the argentinians were provocative and it's to maradona and the argentinian players credit that they didn't respond in kind.

You did see what happened in 2006 didnt you? Most of the comments were rooted in that incident of shocking behaviour from the argentines.

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by hasanb You did see what happened in 2006 didnt you? Most of the comments were rooted in that incident of shocking behaviour from the argentines.

It was mind games just like beckenbaur before the england match.

[d0gers]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada haha you include till 1994 to make your stats look better. You were owned when you showed the stats of last 3 world cups so you went till 1994 to make them look a tad better lol. The overall picture is infront of you. Germany played 97 games in world cup, 22 more than Argentina. Advanced to Finals more than Argentina. They will naturally get cautions on their way but if you look at the bigger picture, Argentina stands out as the one playing the rough football and coming down to cheating tactics when it matters. 2002 - Argentine Player was sent off from the bench. 2006 - Argentine Player was sent off due to kicking a German player which is more disgraceful than anything else. If 2010 is okayish , it wont change the bigger picture. Argentina will have to play 6-7 good world cups in order to better their record of cautions and red cards. And yes, I'll continue to refer the bigger picture because it clearly represents where Argentina and Germany stands - that is NO COMPARISON WHEN IT COMES TO DISCIPLINE.

Overall picture is meaningless as you're including matches played 80 years ago. Recent form is a more meaningful stat. And that suggests that when it comes to the World Cup the Germans play as rough as the Argentines. And as displayed by the Mesut Ozil dive, the current crop are equally capable of resorting to cheating.

To give a cricket analogy, many people like to make the claim that Inzamam was a horrible runner between the wickets. What it ignores is that Inzamam was bad in his first few years, but over the last 12 years of his career he had a better run out record than Sachin Tendulkar. Using overall statistics becomes meaningless when there's quite clearly emerging trends that dispel the original notion.

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri It was mind games just like beckenbaur before the england match.

What beckenbauer said was absolutely spot on though was it not? There isnt a single thing that he said which was not true...you have to admit that. So then whats wrong with saying the truth?

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by hasanb What beckenbauer said was absolutely spot on though was it not? There isnt a single thing that he said which was not true...you have to admit that. So then whats wrong with saying the truth?

Nothing, i think his comments were in turn half quoted and hyped up in the english media but my main point was the germans did try to wind up the argentinians before the match especially.

"We know South Americans are impulsive and temperamental and cannot lose.

"That is not part of the game. That is a lack of respect. They are like that. We should not be provoked by them."

"You could see their behavior at halftime of the game against Mexico. When you look at their body language and gesticulation, they way they try to influence the referees, they have no respect. It's their mentality and character and we'll have to adjust.


Some of them comments are border line racism

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri Nothing, i think his comments were in turn half quoted and hyped up in the english media but my main point was the germans did try to wind up the argentinians before the match especially. "We know South Americans are impulsive and temperamental and cannot lose. "That is not part of the game. That is a lack of respect. They are like that. We should not be provoked by them." "You could see their behavior at halftime of the game against Mexico. When you look at their body language and gesticulation, they way they try to influence the referees, they have no respect. It's their mentality and character and we'll have to adjust. Some of them comments are border line racism

I do see why you would think that its understandable, but i dont think there is any racism whatsoever, the german team is one of the most multi-cultural side in the whole tournament so i think its very unlikely that any racism would emanate for them.

As per the quotes that youve posted there...again i would say that i agree with every single word of those quotes. Each of those quotes in my opinion are absolutely true and therefore i believe that it was just a case of the germans stating the facts...where others might hide behind being politically correct but actually think the same thing.

If it was mind games...it did the job i guess, although Argentina were outclassed on the pitch as opposed to losing their temper.

[GLORY OF '92]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri Nothing, i think his comments were in turn half quoted and hyped up in the english media but my main point was the germans did try to wind up the argentinians before the match especially. "We know South Americans are impulsive and temperamental and cannot lose. "That is not part of the game. That is a lack of respect. They are like that. We should not be provoked by them." "You could see their behavior at halftime of the game against Mexico. When you look at their body language and gesticulation, they way they try to influence the referees, they have no respect. It's their mentality and character and we'll have to adjust. Some of them comments are border line racism

Do you even know about the composition of the German team? Racism is unlikely. Also these comments have been proven to be 100% correct so what's the problem?

I would add that the only team capable of defeating Germany is Holland. Spain will mentally disintegrate in much the same way as the much vaunted Argentinians/Brazilians. I believe the acceptance of cheating has weakened the moral of these teams and they find it difficult to handle physical teams like Germany/ Holland.

[GLORY OF '92]

Go Germany!

As for glory hunting allegations I for one have Bern supporting Germany since the start due to Muslim players/ lack of overhyped "stars" Rooney, Henry etc/ and the team being so young and inexperienced.

[saj001]

Vamos Spain

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by saj001 Vamos Spain

hahaha english supporters

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada Already answered in post # 287

Just read post 287 and it does not even come close to answering my question

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Just read post 287 and it does not even come close to answering my question

Look at your answers mod. What example you've set when somebody asked you about demichelles in other thread and you came back saying he is a donkey. So dont expect clear answers from others when you're not prepared to give by yourself. Cheers!

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada Look at your answers mod. What example you've set when somebody asked you about demichelles in other thread and you came back saying he is a donkey. So dont expect clear answers from others when you're not prepared to give by yourself. Cheers!

[d0gers]

^^ LOL

GA this is too funny. Allow me to explain. In the thread about who performed below expectations i.e. http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ad.php?t=99684

our friend WLFC wanted to include Demichelis (or Demichelles as he likes to spell it). You rightly pointed out that nobody had any expectations from Demichelis to begin with so his performance can't be called disappointing. You called him a donkey, which I'm guessing is slang for someone who's totally useless. But this meaning was totally lost on WLFC. So essentially he's saying because you answered a question using slang he doesn't understand, he won't answer your question on this thread clearly.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by d0gers ^^ LOL GA this is too funny. Allow me to explain. In the thread about who performed below expectations i.e. http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ad.php?t=99684 our friend WLFC wanted to include Demichelis (or Demichelles as he likes to spell it). You rightly pointed out that nobody had any expectations from Demichelis to begin with so his performance can't be called disappointing. You called him a donkey, which I'm guessing is slang for someone who's totally useless. But this meaning was totally lost on WLFC. So essentially he's saying because you answered a question using slang he doesn't understand, he won't answer your question on this thread clearly.

Thanks for explaining - I thought I was probably going mental

Yeah donkey is just slang for rubbish

So now that an explanation has been provided for my donkey comment, WLFC care to answer my question in post 290?

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Thanks for explaining - I thought I was probably going mental Yeah donkey is just slang for rubbish So now that an explanation has been provided for my donkey comment, WLFC care to answer my question in post 290?

Nobody expected Demi to perform well - how can you prove that?

Labeling someone crap is not the answer you'd expect. Bring facts and figures to justify your point. If in your opinion someone is crap doesnt mean others hold the same opinion.

My answer was based on facts and numbers. Argentina can have one world cup better than Germans as far as discipline is concerned but the difference is way too big to be closed by just one performance. Argentina has played 30 less games than Germany in world cups and they still top the charts with cautions and reds. You can think whatever you want if Ozil got the card for diving, if this can clear the reputation the world about Argentina being a cheat then so be it .

By the way here is the most recent survey done before the 2010 world cup where fans from 32 different countries answered Argentina to be the team most likely to cheat.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-research.html

Can you bring something equivalent to support your point that Demi is crap player and nobody expected him to do well. Cheers.

[Geordie Ahmed]

You are like a broken record - I bet that survey is plastered in your bedroom wall

As for demichelis, I don't need to present facts or figures - the guy is a poor defender and he certainly can't be put in a letdown/disappointment XI since there was no expectation of him. You can even read what hasan has to say about him, that should tell you all you need to know

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed You are like a broken record - I bet that survey is plastered in your bedroom wall As for demichelis, I don't need to present facts or figures - the guy is a poor defender and he certainly can't be put in a letdown/disappointment XI since there was no expectation of him. You can even read what hasan has to say about him, that should tell you all you need to know

Source is telegraph UK. You've no answer to it and hence the useless crap thrown at me.

Hold On - I'm not defending Demi at all. I just want to know why you think he is a crap player. You cant put up stats or figures and yet carry on this labeling of crap that the whole world thinks he is crap.

[Geordie Ahmed]

errrr this is football, you don't need stats to show someone is a crap player, you judge them based on what you see and when you see demichelis you see that he is a donkey

[Amir]

You are like a broken record - I bet that survey is plastered in your bedroom wall

The part that said 1% believed England had me in stitches. Heck, their captain is Stevie Starfish!

[WithLoveFromCanada]

By the way here is the most recent survey done before the 2010 world cup where fans from 32 different countries answered Argentina to be the team most likely to cheat. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-research.html Can you bring something equivalent to support your point that Demi is crap player and nobody expected him to do well. Cheers.

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed You are like a broken record - I bet that survey is plastered in your bedroom wall As for demichelis, I don't need to present facts or figures - the guy is a poor defender and he certainly can't be put in a letdown/disappointment XI since there was no expectation of him. You can even read what hasan has to say about him, that should tell you all you need to know

errrr this is football, you don't need stats to show someone is a crap player, you judge them based on what you see and when you see demichelis you see that he is a donkey

I provided you what the world think about Argentina and their discipline. If you dont agree to it, thats not my fault. At least the survey had people of 32 different countries and the source was Telegraph UK.

Now as far as demi is concerned. If you think based on watching football that Demi is crap then please dont just bring the whole world into it unless you've something credible to back up what you're saying. I understand this is your opinion that Demi is crap but please refrain from saying that whole world thinks the same. Cheers.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada I provided you what the world think about Argentina and their discipline. If you dont agree to it, thats not my fault. At least the survey had people of 32 different countries and the source was Telegraph UK. Now as far as demi is concerned. If you think based on watching football that Demi is crap then please dont just bring the whole world into it unless you've something credible to back up what you're saying. I understand this is your opinion that Demi is crap but please refrain from saying that whole world thinks the same. Cheers.

Ok well maybe not the whole world but he isn't alone. I think the same. d0gers thinks the same. And Bayern and German supporter hasanb thinks the same. If anyone watches him week in and week out, its hasan.

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by Amir Ok well maybe not the whole world but he isn't alone. I think the same. d0gers thinks the same. And Bayern and German supporter hasanb thinks the same. If anyone watches him week in and week out, its hasan.

You've your own experience of watching football, so do d0gers and hasanb. I respect that and nowhere I said you're insane or like broken record because I highly respect everybody's views and opinions. I talk with facts and figures to back up what I say. I watch him week in and week out too but this doesnt mean what I think is what the whole world thinks unless I've something to back what I'm saying.

P.S - I'm not defending Demi - you can read that above. Its just that I found it surprising that Geordie said Demi is crap and then added the whole world thinks the same. So i sought clarification which he failed to provide.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada You've your own experience of watching football, so do d0gers and hasanb. I respect that and nowhere I said you're insane or like broken record because I highly respect everybody's views and opinions. I talk with facts and figures to back up what I say. I watch him week in and week out too but this doesnt mean what I think is what the whole world thinks unless I've something to back what I'm saying. P.S - I'm not defending Demi - you can read that above. Its just that I found it surprising that Geordie said Demi is crap and then added the whole world thinks the same. So i sought clarification which he failed to provide.

You speak a lot of facts but you don't speak a lot of commonsense. Obviously he didn't mean the whole world. Nor is he going to go out and do a survey to confirm it. He is just speaking from his views from discussing it with various people, reading various boards...that the majority view is that he is a donkey.

You think like a robot.

[WithLoveFromCanada]

You've your own experience of watching football, so do d0gers and hasanb. I respect that and nowhere I said you're insane or like broken record because I highly respect everybody's views and opinions. I talk with facts and figures to back up what I say. I watch him week in and week out too but this doesnt mean what I think is what the whole world thinks unless I've something to back what I'm saying.

Originally Posted by Amir You speak a lot of facts but you don't speak a lot of commonsense. Obviously he didn't mean the whole world. Nor is he going to go out and do a survey to confirm it. He is just speaking from his views from discussing it with various people, reading various boards...that the majority view is that he is a donkey. You think like a robot.

See my comment and check your reply Amir. Tells a lot about common sense and respect you hold for other's viewpoint .

[Amir]

I respect viewpoints that are sensible. However, you are not using your commonsense. You are being high technical and bleating on about semantics essentially.

This sticks out for me:

this doesnt mean what I think is what the whole world thinks unless I've something to back what I'm saying.

You keep saying "well he shouldn't say the whole world." Who gives a rat's butt what he means by "the whole world." Clearly he is indicating majority think he is a donkey and yet you will come back to me with another stupid reply on facts.

Who are you? Rafael Benetiz?

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by Amir I respect viewpoints that are sensible. However, you are not using your commonsense. You are being high technical and bleating on about semantics essentially. This sticks out for me: You keep saying "well he shouldn't say the whole world." Who gives a rat's butt what he means by "the whole world." Clearly he is indicating majority think he is a donkey and yet you will come back to me with another stupid reply on facts. Who are you? Rafael Benetiz?

Why are you explaining what he thinks? who are you? his boyfriend?

The discussion started with me and GA. You and d0gers chipped in. Now can you please let GA answer for himself and stop being his so called lovely forummers. cheers.

[Genghis]

Don't know how this thread got side-tracked but for the record ... Dimichelles is a rubbish player!