Schreib nie die Deutschen ab! - The Official German World Cup Thread

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by genghis81 Don't know how this thread got side-tracked but for the record ... Dimichelles is a rubbish player!

Mod - I'm not defending demi but you've got to look at the attitude of the forummers especially Amir and GA.

I understand Amir is trying to prove his point here that he can be the best GA buddy here

but GA - i expected sensible replies from him and not just you're a broken record thing. I've no issues when he says he thinks Demi is a crap player but when you come and say Majority holds the view - okay bring something to prove that. I just sought clarification there.

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Anyways, lets just get this back to where it was - Germany's world cup thread. I'll once again do a special introduction for the Spain game and get the formations and team news. Wait for a while folks, Cheers!

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada You've your own experience of watching football, so do d0gers and hasanb. I respect that and nowhere I said you're insane or like broken record because I highly respect everybody's views and opinions. I talk with facts and figures to back up what I say. I watch him week in and week out too but this doesnt mean what I think is what the whole world thinks unless I've something to back what I'm saying. P.S - I'm not defending Demi - you can read that above. Its just that I found it surprising that Geordie said Demi is crap and then added the whole world thinks the same. So i sought clarification which he failed to provide.

Really? Please provide the quote where I said in those words that the whole world thinks the same - thanks


Also even if I did utter the words "the whole world thinks X,Y,Z is rubbish" it hardly matters since its just a figure of speech and im surprised you are getting technical over such statements

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada Mod - I'm not defending demi but you've got to look at the attitude of the forummers especially Amir and GA. I understand Amir is trying to prove his point here that he can be the best GA buddy here but GA - i expected sensible replies from him and not just you're a broken record thing. I've no issues when he says he thinks Demi is a crap player but when you come and say Majority holds the view - okay bring something to prove that. I just sought clarification there.

Clearly you havnt been on this forum very long or following it

Just wait til the Premiership starts

[Amir]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Clearly you havnt been on this forum very long or following it Just wait til the Premiership starts

I am sorry, do you have fachts to back that up?

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Amir I am sorry, do you have fachts to back that up?

Damn, you got me - I retract my statement since I have failed to survey the 6 billion inhabitants of this planet - well un-retract (is that a word?) once the survey is complete

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Really? Please provide the quote where I said in those words that the whole world thinks the same - thanks Also even if I did utter the words "the whole world thinks X,Y,Z is rubbish" it hardly matters since its just a figure of speech and im surprised you are getting technical over such statements

Leave it Mod - i've forgotten about it.

lets get on with the game.

Amir - same thing for you too , lest get on.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada Leave it Mod - i've forgotten about it. lets get on with the game. Amir - same thing for you too , lest get on.

Apology accepted

Back on track - I cant wait for the Germany-Spain match, I like both teams BUT I will be cheering for the Germans in this instance

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Apology accepted Back on track - I cant wait for the Germany-Spain match, I like both teams BUT I will be cheering for the Germans in this instance

haha that was no apology ..i didnt do anything wrong or said anything harsh to anyone

but yeah lets move on.

[WithLoveFromCanada]

[Amir]

He always picks Germany!!! I want to see his prediction vs Spain.

[chacha kashmiri]

[QUOTE]Do you even know about the composition of the German team? Racism is unl

ikely. Also these comments have been proven to be 100% correct so what's the problem?

They have a few non germans in the team which apparently proves that schweinsteiger cannot come out with prejudiced statements. It's like the comment people come out with when someone accuses them of being racist 'i'm not racist, i have asian friends' or even david cameron using a story about some black guy he apparently met to justify his own immigrantphobia.

To say that it's in someone's mentaity because of their race and nationality to have no respect and act cheatingly and unfairly is kind of offensive whichever angle you look at it from.

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri To say that it's in someone's mentaity because of their race and nationality to have no respect and act cheatingly and unfairly is kind of offensive whichever angle you look at it from.

No its not, its stating a fact...a fact that has been shown over time, there is nothing in Schweini's statement that was incorrect. The group of people he was referring to were indeed an impulsive and temperamental bunch of people and they were exposed through ruthless german efficiency and organisation.

Thats not racism imo thats facts.

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by Amir He always picks Germany!!! I want to see his prediction vs Spain.

He actually picked serbia before serbia went onto beat germany...i think quite a few people are waiting for his prediction now!

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by hasanb No its not, its stating a fact...a fact that has been shown over time, there is nothing in Schweini's statement that was incorrect. The group of people he was referring to were indeed an impulsive and temperamental bunch of people and they were exposed through ruthless german efficiency and organisation..

they have no respect. It's their mentality and character

Accepting the highly debatable, highly questionable assumption that this was somehow proven during the game where was this proven for the whole of argentina unless you are suggesting argentinian footballers are a completely different breed to non footballing argentinians.

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri Accepting the highly debatable, highly questionable assumption that this was somehow proven during the game where was this proven for the whole of argentina unless you are suggesting argentinian footballers are a completely different breed to non footballing argentinians.

Even in that quote youve just pasted...theres no reference to argentina as a country. Since we are talking about a group of players at a world cup talking about another team...it is a pretty safe and logical assumption to think that they are talking about the Argentina football team and nothing else dont you think?

[chacha kashmiri]

that they are talking about the Argentina football team and nothing else dont you think?

Because both genetic and environmental factors have no effect on mentality or character.

'sarcasm'

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri Because both genetic and environmental factors have no effect on mentality or character. 'sarcasm'

When describing the mentality or character of a football team no they do not. Do you not find it strange that youre the only one who seems to be going on about racism? That not even the argentine media has called it racism yet here you are going on about that?

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Well one amazing fact that some of you may have noticed earlier.

Germany has made it to the finals of World cup at least once in each decade starting from 1950.

1950 - 1959 - germany finished 1st in 1954 (3 world cups held during this decade)

1960 - 1969 - germany finished second in 1966 ( 2 World cups held)

1970 - 1979 - germany finished 1st in 1974 (3 world cups held)

1980 - 1989 - germany finished second in 1982 and 1986 ( 2 world cups held)

1990 - 1999 - germany finished 1st in 1990 (3 world cups held)

2000- 2009 - germany finished second in 2002 (2 world cups held)

2010 - 2019 - germany in line to continue the trend....

[d0gers]

Originally Posted by hasanb When describing the mentality or character of a football team no they do not. Do you not find it strange that youre the only one who seems to be going on about racism? That not even the argentine media has called it racism yet here you are going on about that?

I believe the reason this hasn't been brought up is that the remarks are so disgraceful that they don't even warrant a response. "We know South Americans are impulsive and temperamental and cannot lose." I don't know if I'll go so far as to call this racist, but it's definitely discriminatory and honestly speaking there's no need for it when you can play football as well as this.

Also the irony isn't lost on anyone given the abundance of South Americans that ply their trade in the Bundesliga.

[pakcricketfan]

Well, the octopus has predicted a semifinal exit for Germany.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by d0gers I believe the reason this hasn't been brought up is that the remarks are so disgraceful that they don't even warrant a response. "We know South Americans are impulsive and temperamental and cannot lose." I don't know if I'll go so far as to call this racist, but it's definitely discriminatory and honestly speaking there's no need for it when you can play football as well as this. Also the irony isn't lost on anyone given the abundance of South Americans that ply their trade in the Bundesliga.

I agree Schweinsteigers comments were silly, perhaps not racist BUT definately not wise

To those that are defending his comments, what did you make of Fergies "typical germans" comment after Man-U lost to Bayern in the CL?

[Amir]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed I agree Schweinsteigers comments were silly, perhaps not racist BUT definately not wise To those that are defending his comments, what did you make of Fergies "typical germans" comment after Man-U lost to Bayern in the CL?

Fact.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Amir Fact.

Dont you mean Fachts?

[WithLoveFromCanada]

we all remember what spanish team did to Schweini 2 years back

[Amir]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada we all remember what spanish team did to Schweini 2 years back

I did not know that. Little tactless....but since it happened to Mr. Holier than thou (especially considering he fell over a little easy in the match vs Argies and yes there were occasions he went down easily too)....its quite hilarious

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Officially signed Germany's team letter to the Fans



Translation:

To our fans in Germany We have all seen the nice pictures of our homeland. Hundreds of thousands of fans emotions in black, red and gold on millions of television screens. Our country celebrates a peaceful Football party. Sping-tingling images for the whole team. Even if you are almost ten thousand kilometers away: your support here each of us carries. Your enthusiasm is an additional kick. Your support makes us even stronger. Our way is not ending, the party will go on. In South Africa, and Germany. We are all one team. And we all have a very tough target but together we can do it! Your team

[hasanb]

That is a very good letter, and a very very nie touch from the team, excellent stuff!

Unfortunately the Octopus has picked spain to win...oh well he's due a mistake, lets hope this one is that mistake! lol

[jattafridi]

Originally Posted by pakcricketfan Well, the octopus has predicted a semifinal exit for Germany.

Octopus Paul predicts Germany's exit in the semifinal

[DHONI183]

Originally Posted by jattafridi Octopus Paul predicts Germany's exit in the semifinal

Do you believe in that:????.........

[dhump]

Ahhhh octopus you are a Liar my friend Liar.

he should be grilled and served to Spanish team after the match.

[pakcricketfan]

Originally Posted by dhump Ahhhh octopus you are a Liar my friend Liar. he should be grilled and served to Spanish team after the match.

Sounds like a good idea.

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by dhump Ahhhh octopus you are a Liar my friend Liar. he should be grilled and served to Spanish team after the match.

lol ah leave the poor thing alone, its obviously just made a rather big mistake thats all....(I hope!)

[Rana]

Go on Germany, you deserve it!

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by hasanb lol ah leave the poor thing alone, its obviously just made a rather big mistake thats all....(I hope!)

yeah the octopus was wrong once before in Euro 2008 final when he predicted germany to be the winner. I think this time octo will make up for that.

[RehanG]

who ever wins today winner will be HOLLANDDDDD

[cric_fan82]

Auf Wiedersehen Pifke (this is what Austrians call the germans with love :-p)

[AZ]

tsk tsk becharey...really missed Mueller

[cric_fan82]

yes this missed müller very badly and also the defensive tactics didnt help them much

[hasanb]

Well obviously the loss hurts, that goes without saying...without commenting too much on tonights match. This is still a team that true german supporters should be proud of. People were even questioning whether we can get out of our group and yet with a lot of young players we made it all the way to the semis.

This team will only get better and will put up a strong show at Euro 2012...chin up deutsches supporters...now is when we have to support our team more than ever. Its easy to do so when the going is good...now is when we have to be proud of them and support them.

Well done to Die Mannschaft!

[AZ]

Originally Posted by cric_fan82 yes this missed müller very badly and also the defensive tactics didnt help them much

I thought the Germans defended very well actually, Mertesacker and Boateng were outstanding...going forward they looked hopeless, Podolski and Trochowski were invisible.

[d0gers]

Well done to Germany, fair to say they played the most scintillating football of this tournament, and on that basis deserved to win.

Though one does have to question why they couldn't apply the similar sort of pressure on Spain as in the last 15 minutes much earlier in the game. They should've gone for it a lot more, especially in the first half, when it was even stevens.

As for Mueller, I think it's outrageous he missed this game. Even if it was a legitimate yellow-card offense in the QF (which is highly doubtful), it's ludicrous that 2 yellow cards in 5 games means a suspension for such an important game like the semi final. I understand the intention is so that a player doesn't miss the final because of accumulated bookings, but there has to be a balance.

Even so, I doubt Mueller would've made that much of a difference today. Germany needed to have more of the ball for their attack to be effective.

[Savak]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar I thought the Germans defended very well actually, Mertesacker and Boateng were outstanding...going forward they looked hopeless, Podolski and Trochowski were invisible.

Defended well? They were lucky the score line was 1-0, the Spanish missed a lot of shots on goal, the spanish didnt even give them a chance because they were so superior at possessing the ball.

[AZ]

Originally Posted by Savak Defended well? They were lucky the score line was 1-0, the Spanish missed a lot of shots on goal, the spanish didnt even give them a chance because they were so superior at possessing the ball.

missed a lot of shots from far out, not from within the box...doesn't really constitute bad defending...for all their possession, Spain could not produce any clear opportunities.

[chacha kashmiri]

The germans got beat at their own game, score a goal and then hit the other team on the counter attack. If pedro or torres were any good it would have been 4-0, didn't see one clear cut chance for the germans, they were abysmal .

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri The germans got beat at their own game, score a goal and then hit the other team on the counter attack. If pedro or torres were any good it would have been 4-0, didn't see one clear cut chance for the germans, they were abysmal .

Still much better than england could dream of in this tournament, so if we were abysmal, what does that make england?

[Geordie Ahmed]

Disappointed Germany didnt make it BUT they should definately be proud of themselves - they did far better than people thought they would before the tournament and the future is certainly bright for them

The counter attack worked for them throughout this tournament BUT it didnt quite work today - Spain hold the ball so well its not really easy to hit them on the break

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by hasanb Still much better than england could dream of in this tournament, so if we were abysmal, what does that make england?

Whose talking about england, germany are the new nearly men/chokers of world football.

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri Whose talking about england, germany are the new nearly men/chokers of world football.

Yeah thats a pretty idiotic way of putting it really shows your knowledge or rather lack of with regards to germanys record in world cups.

England on the other hand...heck you guys should celebrate getting into the 2nd round ...at least you qualified right?

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by hasanb Yeah thats a pretty idiotic way of putting it really shows your knowledge or rather lack of with regards to germanys record in world cups. England on the other hand...heck you guys should celebrate getting into the 2nd round ...at least you qualified right?

"But I don't intend to go back to Berlin again with nothing to show for this. I want to win badly against Spain; they're probably the best team in the world, but we can do it if everyone pulls their weight."

Comments by schweinsteiger, i think that says it all really.

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri "But I don't intend to go back to Berlin again with nothing to show for this. I want to win badly against Spain; they're probably the best team in the world, but we can do it if everyone pulls their weight." Comments by schweinsteiger, i think that says it all really.

Yeah it does say it all, that he's a determined guy and he played absolutely brilliantly today to make sure that we were still in the game against a very very good Spain team.

Youre right it does say a lot, it says we have a player...and many players in this squad who have passion and whom we can be extremely proud of, so thanks for that quote mate

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri "But I don't intend to go back to Berlin again with nothing to show for this. I want to win badly against Spain; they're probably the best team in the world, but we can do it if everyone pulls their weight." Comments by schweinsteiger, i think that says it all really.

What is wrong with this statement?

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed What is wrong with this statement?

It showed, to me at least, that the germans did not want to be semi finalists or even finalists again and wanted to win something for once.

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri It showed, to me at least, that the germans did not want to be semi finalists or even finalists again and wanted to win something for once.

and im going to repeat Geordie's question...what is wrong with that? Keeping in mind that we have won the trophy 3 times been in more semis and finals than any other team in world football...please do tell me what your point is exactly? Chokers is a ridiculous label to give a team that has one of world footballs most glittering records and it just shows you up more than anything else buddy.

[saj001]

Bye Byee

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by hasanb and im going to repeat Geordie's question...what is wrong with that?

There's nothing wrong with it, it just shows that this is a failure for the germans who cannot keep calling semi finals as successes and even after practising with the jubilani all year in the bundesliga they have gone out which can only be classed as a failure for the germans.

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri There's nothing wrong with it, it just shows that this is a failure for the germans who cannot keep calling semi finals as successes and even after practising with the jubilani all year in the bundesliga they have gone out which can only be classed as a failure for the germans.

Yeah if we classify a semi final exit as a failure then that just shows how high our ambitions and class is, it show how determined we are for the future than anything apart from winning the trophy is a failure.

Compare this with england where the height of their ambition was to somehow....somehow make it to the semis...see the difference?

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by hasanb Yeah if we classify a semi final exit as a failure then that just shows how high our ambitions and class is, it show how determined we are for the future than anything apart from winning the trophy is a failure.

I think in the end it shows that the germans are not efficient and organised as they claim to be and 4 years of meticulous planning by low has ended in a lacklustre defeat against spain with germans only having a plan a and no other way of playing.

It's easy to suggest that germans will have a bright future but with klose ancient and no other german strikers on his level it looks like this team will only ever be semi finalists and never winners.

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri I think in the end it shows that the germans are not efficient and organised as they claim to be and 4 years of meticulous planning by low has ended in a lacklustre defeat against spain with germans only having a plan a and no other way of playing. It's easy to suggest that germans will have a bright future but with klose ancient and no other german strikers on his level it looks like this team will only ever be semi finalists and never winners.

So even when we are lack lustre and not playing on top form we will still always be in the top 4 of world football...yeah that sounds about right! Thats germany for you...no matter who is in the team...no matter how good or bad they are...they will always be right up there.

That for you is a definition of german efficiency, they type of results the english can only ever dream of.

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by hasanb So even when we are lack lustre and not playing on top form we will still always be in the top 4 of world football...yeah that sounds about right! Thats germany for you...no matter who is in the team...no matter how good or bad they are...they will always be right up there. That for you is a definition of german efficiency, they type of results the english can only ever dream of.

If you're happy with failure then who i am to say otherwise.

Good year for germans, finalists in the champions league and semi finalists in the world cup, if you're lucky vettel might finish second in f1 too.

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri If you're happy with failure then who i am to say otherwise. Good year for germans, finalists in the champions league and semi finalists in the world cup, if you're lucky vettel might finish second in f1 too.

Indeed brilliant year for the english too, no teams in the CL semis at all, 2nd round exit at the WC....heck at least its an improvement for not qualifying for Euro2008 at all isnt it? Heck then english got so desperate they took to supporting a Scot at wimbledon and even he couldnt make it

This mate is our minimum standard, the german machine is such that semis is like a minimum standard no matter what the team is like...we will work on improving from here with our young team.

What have england got to boast about exactly?

*crickets chirping*

yeah thats what i thought...absolutely nothing. Its fine if you want to have a go at those who are lower than you...but to have a go at a team that is in all ways superior and always has been is just laughable.

[Amir]

Germany just got Spain-ked!!!!

[hasanb]

^ Nice mature post there Amir...wouldnt have expected anything more from you

[AZ]

LOL England fans are calling Germany chokers...maybe this will bring back a few memories:

[hasanb]

Cheers Zulfi! I think i might start changing my mind on Juve and Salman Butt a little bit now

[Amir]

Originally Posted by hasanb ^ Nice mature post there Amir...wouldnt have expected anything more from you

Its my facebook status, quite creative

Arey yaar, why you are being so overtly sensitive. You had to know it was coming from many people considering how you were dishing it out. Fair is fair, it comes back to me too.

I will leave you with this:

[hasanb]

Perhaps you could take some tips from that picture there ^ Amir? No?

But seriously its alright to dish it out when your team has just thrashed another team...so for example if a true spanish fan came here and had a bit of a go, your say well fair enough, even though it was only 1-0...but they deserved that win big time.

When you get english fans coming in and try to have a go at a team that is superior to them in every single way...well thats just laughable imo.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by hasanb Perhaps you could take some tips from that picture there ^ Amir? No? But seriously its alright to dish it out when your team has just thrashed another team...so for example if a true spanish fan came here and had a bit of a go, your say well fair enough, even though it was only 1-0...but they deserved that win big time. When you get english fans coming in and try to have a go at a team that is superior to them in every single way...well thats just laughable imo.

No, I think anyone can dish it out. If you are going to go around pointing at everyone else and laughing, you better hope your team wins. I also kind of odd that you find this laughable, yet.....you seem to enjoy whenever United lose. I don't think United play Bayern every weekend. Seems a bit hypocritical what you are saying. In fact, a lot of fans who are not even related to such a team take fun in when United lose. So what do you say about them?

But arey yaar, I actually DO LIKE you as a poster and hope you post more in footy. So for that, I brought you some fans to console you



It's fun posting

[Amir]

Anyone seen WithLoveFromCanada?

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by Amir No, I think anyone can dish it out. If you are going to go around pointing at everyone else and laughing,

At everyone else? So ive been pointing and laughing at one point or the other at 31 teams during this world cup have i?

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri It showed, to me at least, that the germans did not want to be semi finalists or even finalists again and wanted to win something for once.

Woah - alert the press, the Germans wanted to win - man, I never expected that


As for it being a failure, yes it is in the sense that they failed to win the tournament BUT it was a successful campaign in the sense that they were not expected to do anything of note - they should certainly be holding their heads up high and be proud of their efforts

England on the other hand, came to the tournament with their golden generation expecting to win the trophy yet they went out with a whimper and they got crucified by the nation

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Amir Anyone seen WithLoveFromCanada?

I think he is searching for some fachts about yellow cards

[Amir]

Originally Posted by hasanb At everyone else? So ive been pointing and laughing at one point or the other at 31 teams during this world cup have i?

Its a technical point. I obviously didn't mean all 31 nations. But seemed like you missed the biggest point of my post.

What do you say about all those who post when United lose despite their team not playing?

[d0gers]

Absolutely pathetic from those who're just trolling for comments. To say Germany played abysmally, or did not have any chances, or that this exit is a failure, well, that's just silly. I would love to have seen how the English would have fared in place of Germany. Luckily we were all spared the embarrassment.

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by Amir Its a technical point. I obviously didn't mean all 31 nations. But seemed like you missed the biggest point of my post. What do you say about all those who post when United lose despite their team not playing?

If MU has gone beyond where their own team reached in a certain tournament then in my view they dont have much of a leg to stand on.

Which is precisely my point here...since 1966 Germany have done further in the world cup than england in each and ever single tournament held since...therefore they really open themselves up to ridicule if they then try to have a go at a team that day in day out does better than them.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by d0gers Absolutely pathetic from those who're just trolling for comments. To say Germany played abysmally, or did not have any chances, or that this exit is a failure, well, that's just silly. I would love to have seen how the English would have fared in place of Germany. Luckily we were all spared the embarrassment.

Well we know Argentina would have destroyed them BUT can you imagine Englands midfield trying to get the ball off Xavi and Co???

[Amir]

Originally Posted by d0gers Absolutely pathetic from those who're just trolling for comments. To say Germany played abysmally, or did not have any chances, or that this exit is a failure, well, that's just silly. I would love to have seen how the English would have fared in place of Germany. Luckily we were all spared the embarrassment.

I didn't say they played badly. I just said they lost. Which they did. I think the only real beef is with chacha kashmiri here.

[d0gers]

Originally Posted by Amir Its a technical point. I obviously didn't mean all 31 nations. But seemed like you missed the biggest point of my post. What do you say about all those who post when United lose despite their team not playing?

You have to drag your mediocre club into everything don't you.

[AZ]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed BUT can you imagine Englands midfield trying to get the ball off Xavi and Co???

I can:

[Geordie Ahmed]

^^^^^^

Thats a perfect demonstration